Human cruelty: 15 y/o boy roasted

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  1. SteveHd

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    Below is a excerpt from the Associated Press. If you're squeamish, don't read it. The incident occurred in Musa Qala, Afghanistan.
    In Kabul, during a joint news conference with the British prime minister, Karzai said Taliban brutality in Musa Qala played a significant part in leading to the attack.

    He told of a 15-year-old boy accused of spying by the Taliban who was hung from a ceiling and roasted to death by a gas-fed fire started beneath him. The next morning the militants told the boy's mother she could pick up her son, the president said.

    "When she entered the room she found the charcoaled dead body of her son," Karzai said. "Some of the Afghan Taliban who also witnessed atrocities like that, they came and they met with me and they asked me to intervene and (said) that they will switch sides and that is what's happened."
    To hell with "animal" cruelty, mankind has bigger problems to fix.
     
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    That is How it ALL starts.......

    First they start with HURTING animals.."
    Then they go forward with HUMANS....."
    So, No we do need to stop Animal cruelty..." To prevent Killing HUMANS...........
     
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    This is somewhat true, but really, I'm more concerned with humans first.

    Aside: I liked Hawaii, but then I'm fond of short (5'4 and under) petite girls. So it was akin to the kid in a candy store.

    Or a fat kid that can bake cakes.

    Or an alcoholic in Dublin ... I liked Dublin too, then that's akin to a kid in a candy store ...
     
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    That is a tragedy. Human kind has sunk to a new low.
     
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    Those people are Barbaric and stuck in the thinking of thousands of years ago.
     
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    Mem, it isn't just "those people." I believe such cruelty is innate to homo sapiens. In "modern" societies we suppress most of it but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
     
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    I don't think we suppress, we have the reasoning to know that cooking a person as torture and form of murder is reprehensible.

    It is "those people"...by that I mean the religious zealots, not the nationality.

    "those people" have backward beliefs and do not want to live and let live.

    I differ with your view on this, I don't think that such cruelty is innate. It is learned and reinforced by others via peer pressure.
     
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    Agreed.

    As Milgram showed us, most people are readily willing to abdicate their sense of personal morality in the presence of authority...and there's no authority like that presented by religion.

    The sooner we kill off gods entirely, the better off our race will be.
     
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    AG, I did a google of "Milgram" and got Stanley Milgram. I guess that's who you meant?
     
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    The trouble is, we will never 'kill off the gods'. What IS innate in the human race is not the hideous cruelty which is the subject of this thread, but a fundamental superstition which is realised in 'religions' - virtually all of which, at the bottom line, are intolerant, merciless and cruel. Throughout history - and to this present day - the most terrible and numerous cruelties perpetrated upon human beings have not been in the name of nazism or communism (bad as they were) but in the name of religion.

    But religions attract. They (amazingly) always claim the moral high ground. Religious notions seem to provide the easy answers to the imponderable questions of life; but in fact raise more questions than they answer. But to be critical of religion requires often courage, and always a capacity to reason and to think. These are rare qualities. Bertrand Russell memorably said: "Most people would rather die than think. And they do."
     
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    Note to all: I don't want this to degrade into bashing religion(s).
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Adam, the Afghan boy was accused of spying and I figure treason also. So it appears religion isn't directly involved.

    I'm agnostic and I'm not defending religion. I don't think it's the key reason the Taliban did that. It may have been, I don't know.
     
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    Religion is at the heart of the matter. The Taliban claims a strict adherence to fundamental Islam and they ran Afghanistan that way under their perverted notion of it. I'm unfamiliar with the sura that references roasting spies alive. Perhaps the Taliban have re-written the Koran?

    Islam is not a religion of mercy but there is no justification for this anywhere in the Koran or the haddiths.

    Once again, proof positive that either God doesn't exist or, if it does, God doesn't care or is powerless to stop it. Which makes this disgusting example of inhumanity all the more ironically pointless.

    I'm so happy we've won the war in Afghanistan so these people are out of power:rolleyes:.
     
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    Since there in fact was no Mohamed, can Islam be considered anything other ideology or superstition? i.e., not a "true" religion, what ever that is? In fact, the suggestion is that Islam was concocted to "keep up with the jews", so to speak.

    Compare what the japanese fascists did in World War II without the justification of religion: ripped fetuses out of pregnant koreans and Se asians with their bayonets, also throwing the still living fetuses in boiling water? The cannibalism of Allied soldiers and prisoners of war? etc. etc.
     
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    Sorry, I didn't see this earlier. Yes, that's the man I was referencing.
     
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    No historical Muhammad? Tell us more, Nick. Muhammad was not only a religious but a political and military leader, his existence, I had thought, well established in all sorts of contemporary accounts.

    Those Japanese fascists had religion ... basically a mixture of Shinto and Buddhism.
    The extreme reverence of the Emperor was strongly supported by Shintoist belief.
    Buddhism is classically considered the ultimate pacifist religion, but even the Buddhist extablishment in Japan supported, some say with little choice, the whole aggressive war effort. (See, for example, Brian Victoria's Zen at War.)
     
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    no scholarly consensus was: NO such individual ever existed -- just a concoction
     
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    soryy, meant: NO, The scholarly consensus is just a concoction.
     
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    as far as the japanese, the justification/rationale advanced did not have a religious predicate .. it was racial & fascist
     
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