Hungthick, an open responce

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  1. ashlar

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    Hungthick, your PM box is full or for some reason it will not allow me to reply to your message. Thus this thred has come into existance. If you choose not to communicate on this topic via this medium, that is fine. I would be willing to have this discussion publicly for the benifit of anyone who might be intrested.

    I have found the lord, and she is inside of me, you, and everything both good and bad, light and dark.

    I have to get to work soon, so unfortunatly I don't have the time to get into this discussion right now. If indeed you are willing and capable of having a calm discussion, and of actually giving my ideas some thought, not belief, but a good deal of thought, I would be willing to pay you the same respect.

    Be well.

    Romey
     
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    carolinacurious: I might want a piece of this, is there a thread where I could see where this starts?
     
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    Yeah it's in the porn thred where hungthick basicly told all of us strippers that we were unmoral, and implied that we were not fit for existance.
     
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    Ashlar i applaud you wanting a discussion on this matter but i am not getting into a discussion on religion anymore. i am a former stripper myself and a pretty damn good one too. i did not go nude but i did rake in the tips.

    i am far from innocent and i am sexually promiscuous. the original thread i thought should have included whether or not one is proud of their porn days (which i was offered a falcon exclusive on but turned down) and it absa-fucking-lootley shocked the hell out of me that no one thought what they do or did was immoral or indecent or out of the ordinary.

    everyone commented on their porn days and thought it was a badge of honor or something. no one was ashamed, regretful or embarrased by it and everyone justified it and was okay with it. i just wanted to point out that this is not something that the majority finds it commendable.

    i am sticking by my morality statement--everyone should follow my morality because it is objective and not subversly subjective (now everyone can laugh---tongue in cheek).

    now go outside and play 'hide and go fuck yourself'---im just kidding, not, yes, no, well maybe
     
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    Hungthick, You are a complete fraud. You send a letter spouting out Catholic virtues, then you say "I'm not going to talk about religion" before anyone can respond to you? I had the same problem yesterday with your inbox, I couldn't send you my response until today because your inbox was full. Clue- if you communicate with people and expect a response, you may want to keep space open to receive their response. Just a thought.

    You haven't made a morality statement to stick to. You've said everyone should be moral, well bravo! Impressive thinking, hope it wasn't too painful. You're very adamant for having no platform.

    You think people should feel like you feel about thier past- why? Does it say that in the Bible? What page? Dude, you are nowhere near that important that your opinion is the status quo. You don't get to tell others how to feel, you're not the kindergarten teacher. This forum is a bunch of adults sharing experiences, and you're not so pure, as specifically defined in the Bible, that you should be casting judgements on others. Nudity or immodesty is not one of the seven deadly sins, but pride is. Get the stick out of your ass, you look ridiculous.
     
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    Then stop bringing it up. You cannot just make vague innacurate statements, not back them up, and pass judgement on others without any futher discussion. I mean, you CAN do that, however such inaction does not lend itself to futher understanding by any of the parties concerned. It also leads others to feel that your a bit of an idiot. Don't start something you can't finish ... how's that for a moral?

    Like it takes much talent? You were nothing but a wiggling bit of mostly naked flesh for the audience. Anyone can do that and make money. All of that is debatable, as are the reasons why someone may or may not be ashamed of it. It's a very personal thing and everyone has a right to feel the way they will, for better or worse. Many of us choose to see things in a better light leading us to betterment, where is your viewpoint taking you? It seems to me that it's taking you down a steady path of self-loathing that will inevitably end in self destruction, and I find that to be terribly sad. I wish I could help you, but only you can make that decision for yourself as well as the best way to do that. May the Goddess be with you on your path.

    Yes well, some of us have moved beyond the dark ages.

    You seem to be trying to think one way, and act another way ... this is referred to as cognitive dissonance, in light of this your forced to find a way to excuse or explaine what you've done, and why you've done it. You've chosen God as this 'easy way out' but i've got news for you, you and each one of us ARE Goddess and God, so if you cannot forgive yourself, nor can God. Furthermore, by the belief system you've taken up, your use of it for your own selfish goals is in fact, BLASPHOMY!!!
    Good job mate.

    Just because your unhappy with yourself does not mean the rest of us have to be. You are entitled to your self-loathing if that is what you choose, and others are entitled to just the opposite. And guss what? You don't have to like it if you don't want to. Simmer in all the hatred you like, you've allready chosen by your own admission to suffer in hell, and you've created that hell for yourself, inside of yourself, and it's with you each and every moment, everywhere you go, everywhere you turn.
    Send us all a postcard.

    Indeed, since it's obviously doing you so much good. I hope that someday you truely get in touch with the divine within and realize that you are, and can be, a beautiful and powerful individual with or without the approval of another. Life is not something to suffer though, it's to be embraced and enjoyed.

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    I&#39;ve no need or desire to hide anything. I choose to be free and wild and wonderful and to experience whatever I choose when I will it. I do however wish that I could fuck myself ... it would be a powerful experience i&#39;ve no doubt.

    Namaste.
     
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    Hungthick, You are a complete fraud. You send a letter spouting out Catholic virtues, then you say "I&#39;m not going to talk about religion" before anyone can respond to you? I had the same problem yesterday with your inbox, I couldn&#39;t send you my response until today because your inbox was full. Clue- if you communicate with people and expect a response, you may want to keep space open to receive their response. Just a thought.

    You haven&#39;t made a morality statement to stick to. You&#39;ve said everyone should be moral, well bravo&#33; Impressive thinking, hope it wasn&#39;t too painful. You&#39;re very adamant for having no platform.

    You think people should feel like you feel about thier past- why? Does it say that in the Bible? What page? Dude, you are nowhere near that important that your opinion is the status quo. You don&#39;t get to tell others how to feel, you&#39;re not the kindergarten teacher. This forum is a bunch of adults sharing experiences, and you&#39;re not so pure, as specifically defined in the Bible, that you should be casting judgements on others. Nudity or immodesty is not one of the seven deadly sins, but pride is. Get the stick out of your ass, you look ridiculous.
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    My gods Zora ... you are my bitch goddess. Can I have a statue erected in your likness for my altar? Or at least a real photo at some point. You&#39;ve the essence of Kali - Ma within you, and I respect and bow to that, and all that is you.

    Scary thought, i&#39;m serious. :p

    LOVIN the stick in ass comment, I screamed when I read it hehe, ask herble.
     
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    Romey, whenever I take new pics, I&#39;ll letcha know. I lost my harddrive, so the only pics of me right now are in the gallery (near the beginning). Why isn&#39;t everyone as brilliant as we are? :D :D :D Guess it&#39;s just a curse&#33;
     
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    Some would be far to willing to agree on the curse bit ;)

    *can&#39;t wait for pix*
     
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    Some would be far to willing to agree on the curse bit ;)

    *can&#39;t wait for pix*
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    Don&#39;t get too excited, my dick&#39;s just a strap-on&#33;
     
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    Don&#39;t get too excited, my dick&#39;s just a strap-on&#33;
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    Yes but can you use it and use it well? *L*
     
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    It must be comforting to pick me apart my words like a CSI investigator. Unfortunately, when one does that the bigger picture and meaning is lost. Everyone knows the saying, "if a tree falls in dthe forrest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound." Dont forsake the forest for the individual leaves. Be more open minded and more supportive of MY believes.

    I mentioned that i didnt want to discuss religion in depth because i am not an expert. I also said in my 2nd post in the porn thread that i understand the differences in believes of each person and everyone is entitled to their believes. As thinking adults it is obvious i am saying that but not if you take it out of context.

    as far as the inbox being full--i cleared it as soon as i was able. i had no way of knowing it would not allow more emails because i had no idea the size of the emails i was to receive. i dont know how u can fault me on this one.

    I have a platform m.z. and it is the same one as the republican party--family values. I have said something but some have chosen to ignore it for personal reasons.

    these comments likes, &#39;dude you are not that important&#39; etc. are not grounded. i am just one voice among millions. if someone believes in my voice fine but i believe everyone has their own minds and can make decisions for themselves. i dont think i am that important. i am no different from you or anyone else.

    i think most will agree that if we are to be adults one shouldnt name call like, "hungthickhead" or "get the stick out of your ass" or "idiot" or "drive through" or "you stick out like a sore thumb." These comments are indications of your not my ability to express our feelings. i can laugh at myself and a good joke but continual name calling is kindergarten recess. being sarcastic isnt nice either.

    pride is a deadly sin you are correct. lust is also a deadly sin. Now follow my reasoning here-------dont confuse morality with ethics. these are two differnt things. people can choose their level of ethical standards and they also have the right to live their lives to a degree of morality they are comfortable with.

    I am saying just because someone is comfortable with their level of morality doesnt make it CORRECT for SOCIETY as a WHOLE. there it is simply stated.

    i dont judge others for what they have chosen. if one wants to use drugs, sell their bodies, steal, murder, commit adulty i dont judge you ---i dont ACCEPT IT and the MAJORITY DOESNT EITHER. there are consequences for decisions and i wanted to make sure those 7000 readers as m.z. points out understands that this is not a &#39;GOOD&#39; thing. these porn experiences are not that great. ONE might be comfortable with it and has MADE THEIR OWN PEACE with it but it STILL isnt morally accepted behavior. understand?

    to applaud m.z. for being a bitch is not a compliment. anyone can be nasty. encouraging someone like this is not a great thing. m.z. is but one opinion and one voice. reducing oneself to a bitch is not what one should aspire to become.

    Ashlar u saying that i am in the dark ages is propaganda at best. however i accept it as a compliment because it means that i hold dear good values and judgements. i am a throw back to conservatisms and i am proud of it. i am not too proud that it becomes everythign for me though.

    i am well rounded and i am contented. i am not selfish and i am not twisting religion to excuse my lusting ways. i am a work in process in the eyes of God. i continue to seek out his Will but i dont fool myself either.

    everyone can make their choices. this is a support forum and i believe that my voice may not be the popular one but it is the devil&#39;s advocate voice. i am the voice that will not be &#39;bitchy and sarcastic and popular&#39; but i will be the voice of support and understanding.

    oh, ashlar you tell me that jiggling my stuff has no talent. okay, does janet jackson have no talent when she dances. does madonna have no talent when she dances. does britney have no talent when she dances. does m. jackson have no talent when he dances?

    well when i performed i didnt go nasty and i didnt get semi-hards ons and that stuff. i did a subtle burlesque dance and i didnt do it all night long. i danced for about 10 minutes 2 times a night by choice for about 4 months. i later toned it down to one song but made on average about &#036;50 per song (3 minutes long)--that is talent&#33;&#33; Dont mistake it.

    i apologize for a long comment. but i think these discussions are necessary sometims.
     
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    Personally I think religion is the most pointless and useless concept on the face of the earth, and it constantly causes arguments like this. I could go on for hours about the bad parts of it but I won&#39;t.

    Who cares if stripping is against the bible? According to the bible gays are evil, its ok to rape female prisoners of war and villages should be burnt to the ground or practicing anal sex. Anyone who takes their moral values from a book such as this obviously isn&#39;t worth listening to.

    In my opinion anywyz. I&#39;m a confirmed atheist with a deep-rooted hate of religion :)
     
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    Quotes are not working properly and I don&#39;t have the time to try and fix it right now, sorry ;/

    Deconstruction: This term refers to a process of reading texts, literary and non-literary. ... In a deconstructive reading of a poem or novel, the critic does not seek to demonstrate how parts of the text--its form and content--wwork harmoniously togeather to form a whole. Instead, the deconstructive critic carefully examines the text&#39;s rhetoric, its arrangement, its style, and its "logic" to show how the text&#39;s rhetoric masks or glosses over contradictions or gaps in the logic in the text. Such an approach demonstrates that the notion of artistic wholeness is a fantasy. The close textual analysis of deconstruction does not destroy a text. (Becky McLaughlin, B. Coleman. from Everyday Theory. Glossary definition of &#39;Deconstruction&#39;)
    I also strongly reccomend a writing by Luce Irigaray, "I Love to You" Where in picking apart and defining the phrase, (deconstructing it) she paints a larger image of love far more beautiful than the simple phrase, and vast as the sea.
    Also a speech given in 1949 by Jacques Lacan at the 16th international congress of Psychoanalysis in Zurich, titled "The Mirror Stage as Formative of the Function of the I as Revealed in Psycholoanalytic Experience"

    I&#39;m not trying to pick your words apart to lose the bigger picture, as you put it. Rather I am attempting to put the bigger picture togeather because you&#39;ve proven again and again that your unable to do it. You say one thing, and then contradict yourself in the next breath, there is no consistancy in in your form.
    You claim to not want to discuss your religon, yet you keep coming back to the religious conversations. You condem others for the same acts that you preform/have preformed, yet you side step from the issue that in doing so you have condemned yourself. You tell others they are of poor morality, or imply that they should feel as such, then turn around and say thats not at all what you were saying.

    Then perhaps you would be best off not to bring it up. I think the discussion would do you, and possably others, well. However, if you are as unwilling to hear, understand,and accept the thoughts of others, then perhaps it would be best for you to maintain silence. Also, if you feel that your not an expert then where do you get off telling people how they should feel about themselves and various aspects of their lives?

    Yes, then your third post you were right back to judging others, DMW in particular, in your post you said:
    "DMW many times i type lower case and often times misspell and use fragmented sentences...i dont dislike you (horse does but that is his issue) i enjoy reading your posts but sometimes you do annoy me, so what?...i have an overbearing personality sometimes but that is because of my drive and convictions and i make no apologies for it...i am a &#39;learning&#39; man and i when something is valid i listen to it...you are wrong about morality and that is the trouble with americans--morality is not subjective--the word of god is not subjective--(im done posting bout religion by the way)--anyone can win an argument or support their convictions -- dmw if i appear to oppose you it should be a compliement because you challenge me whereas others make me complacent or otherwise indifferent to me.--well done.

    (i will probably continue to be a hungthickhead as you call me only because u make me think--peace)"

    Look there ... "you are wrong about morality", says who? Thats not your call to make, who is right and who is wrong. Perhaps for YOU he&#39;s wrong, but certainly not for everyone as you infer when you say, "that is the trouble with americans". Now your also judging the rest of the country and holding everyone to your narrow views.

    Aside from all that, this also demonstraits once again your amazing ability to flip flop from one viewpoint, then side step when everyone points out that you might not be entirely correct, then as soon as things cool down your back to spouting stupidity. I don&#39;t think your second post was so much honest, as it was a simple method of avoidance and trying to cover your shit with your paws like a pussy in the litter box.

    Not that i&#39;m faulting you for it, just letting you know if you are not a premium member you can only hold 10 messages in your PM box. Although after 300+ posts, I guess Zora should have thought you were a complete newbie without a clue as that which is widely reguarded as common knowledge amungst regular posters here. Ok, I wassnt going to fault you for it untill I realized you had over 300 posts to your name.

    My best friend has a duaghter and is an exotic dancer. She takes care of her family, including her mother, with her wages and tips. If she did not do this, she would be unable to afford to go to school, unable to make enough money supporting her family and herself, and she, her mother, and her daughter would likely be suffering quite a bit, if not dead in a ditch somewhere. THATS family values, you ignorant fuck.

    Yeah that sounds really nice, but I call bullshit. Once again, trying to cover your shit hoping it wont continue to stink forcing you to face it. You flat out call DMW and others "immoral" and "wrong" and then you go on to say that "this is the problem with americans", as if your not even an american yourself, but something seperate possessing the right to try and make others feel as bad about themselvs as you do. I can see you one day in a not so far off time, a preist, bare pre-teen legs on their knees, the rest of the form enshouded within the delicate folds of your robe.

    Again ... you do the SAME FUCKING THING and then tell everyone else that they are immature.

    Its nice to hear that from you ...although i&#39;m sure here in a few posts your flip flop again on that statement only to once again point your crooked finger at another in an attempt to cast them out of the garden. Guess what bitch, I&#39;ve transcended my fall from the garden, and i&#39;m armed to the teeth, as have many others here.

    Nice pride, thinking you have the right to deem what is correct and what is not for society as a whole. Naturally, you&#39;ve just contradicted your former statements just as I predicted you would. Society as a whole is made up of many many individuals, if you concede that each has a right to their own morals and ideas and beliefs (which is also completely opposite of your first and third posts in the porn thred), then you must also yeild to the fact that society as a whole is divided and that each group is constantly changing. You must recognize the synergetic nature of this and respect it, not condemn it.

    Baby cakes, thats all you&#39;ve been doing as i&#39;ve allready pointed out repeatedly.

    What majority? All those conflicting personalities in your head do not count as a seperate society nor do they count as a majority.

    Some have been well rewarded for it and lived very happy lives. So for them it was a good thing, while for others it&#39;s not. Before you make a statment like that back it up with some facts. No matter what the job one chooses, there are good and bad things about it. Some jobs over all are great, and some are not. It all depends on the individual, how they act, and how they choose to view things. Just because you don&#39;t like it does not mean no one else is allowed to. You cannot just act all parental and say "No porn jobs for you, I don&#39;t like it and god hates that".

    That is a fallacious statment if I&#39;ve ever heard one. For some that is perfectly acceptable and in tune with their morals, for some it&#39;s not. You obviously can not see any futher than your own nose that you continually look down at everyone else by.

    It&#39;s just the hand we were dealt kitten. Were just playing strong points, intelligence, bitchyness, sarcasm, beauty, and supreme goddes like power just happen to be in our decks. :p

    How do you figure? Care to ellaborate on that? No, i don&#39;t suppose you would, because you can&#39;t.

    Yes yes yes yes yes, shut the fuck up allready, we&#39;ve all heard repeatedly how good your values are, how much better they are then our own, and were all sick of your judgement passing idosyncratic behavor. Nice attempted save with the "i am not too proud that it becomes everything for me though". Obviously complete bullshit.


    That remains to be seen.

    Ohh ... two lies for the price of one. Nice. Anyone who says they are not selfish, is lying. I allready amply made my point as you how your using religion to exuse your thoughts and behaviors, and just saying "NO IM NOT&#33;&#33;&#33;" has not changed my mind a bit.

    That I&#39;ll agree with completely, though I think you ment to use the word "progress", or perhaps you do not progess and truely all you do is process.

    Sticking to making a fool of yourself eh? ;)

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... lookup advocate in the dictionary sometime, my pocket dictionary lists it as, "one who argues or pleads for a cause or proposal", Thus the arguements, pleads, and proposals you make belong to the devil.
    *falls off chair howling with laughter*

    Yeah you&#39;ve gotta warp minds and brainwash wherever you can these days. Good altar boys who can suck a mean cock are getting harder and harder to come by.

    Are they allmost completely naked, and if so are they in a strip club where people only go for the soul purpose of oogling flesh fully expecting to, and intenting to tip the dancer? NO&#33;

    Tell us oh holy one what consists of nasty in thine warm and gracious eyes.

    Me either.

    burlesque, v.
    trans. To turn into ridicule by grotesque parody or imitation; to caricature, travesty.
    from the Oxford english dictionary online.

    *laughing my ass off over here*

    No, thats pathetic. I saw a woman six months pregnant make 200&#036; in one 3 min long song. THATS talent.

    No problem. There was simply more stupid there for me to pick on, pick out, and laugh at. Thanks for the morning wake up.
     
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    Either way spank, I think your pretty fuckin&#39; great :)
     
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    I believe the term is ignorance.
     
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    I did realize that, I just like the way stupid sounds in it&#39;s place. It makes me giggle.
     
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    Ignorance and hypocrisy on the part of HungThick.
     
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    I think you&#39;re great too Ashlar lol ;)

    I don&#39;t mean to offend you or anybody else on here, with the exception of a few, by my views on religion, I&#39;m sure there are plenty of intelligent and well-meaning religious people on this site, you being one of them, I just personally despise it and wish it was abolished lol.
     
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    Ashlar you are predictable and a true fag.
     
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