Originally posted by hungthick@Dec 23 2004, 01:30 PM
It must be comforting to pick me apart my words like a CSI investigator. Unfortunately, when one does that the bigger picture and meaning is lost. Everyone knows the saying, "if a tree falls in dthe forrest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound." Dont forsake the forest for the individual leaves. Be more open minded and more supportive of MY believes.
I mentioned that i didnt want to discuss religion in depth because i am not an expert. I also said in my 2nd post in the porn thread that i understand the differences in believes of each person and everyone is entitled to their believes. As thinking adults it is obvious i am saying that but not if you take it out of context.
as far as the inbox being full--i cleared it as soon as i was able. i had no way of knowing it would not allow more emails because i had no idea the size of the emails i was to receive. i dont know how u can fault me on this one.
I have a platform m.z. and it is the same one as the republican party--family values. I have said something but some have chosen to ignore it for personal reasons.
these comments likes, 'dude you are not that important' etc. are not grounded. i am just one voice among millions. if someone believes in my voice fine but i believe everyone has their own minds and can make decisions for themselves. i dont think i am that important. i am no different from you or anyone else.
i think most will agree that if we are to be adults one shouldnt name call like, "hungthickhead" or "get the stick out of your ass" or "idiot" or "drive through" or "you stick out like a sore thumb." These comments are indications of your not my ability to express our feelings. i can laugh at myself and a good joke but continual name calling is kindergarten recess. being sarcastic isnt nice either.
pride is a deadly sin you are correct. lust is also a deadly sin. Now follow my reasoning here-------dont confuse morality with ethics. these are two differnt things. people can choose their level of ethical standards and they also have the right to live their lives to a degree of morality they are comfortable with.
I am saying just because someone is comfortable with their level of morality doesnt make it CORRECT for SOCIETY as a WHOLE. there it is simply stated.
i dont judge others for what they have chosen. if one wants to use drugs, sell their bodies, steal, murder, commit adulty i dont judge you ---i dont ACCEPT IT and the MAJORITY DOESNT EITHER. there are consequences for decisions and i wanted to make sure those 7000 readers as m.z. points out understands that this is not a 'GOOD' thing. these porn experiences are not that great. ONE might be comfortable with it and has MADE THEIR OWN PEACE with it but it STILL isnt morally accepted behavior. understand?
to applaud m.z. for being a bitch is not a compliment. anyone can be nasty. encouraging someone like this is not a great thing. m.z. is but one opinion and one voice. reducing oneself to a bitch is not what one should aspire to become.
Ashlar u saying that i am in the dark ages is propaganda at best. however i accept it as a compliment because it means that i hold dear good values and judgements. i am a throw back to conservatisms and i am proud of it. i am not too proud that it becomes everythign for me though.
i am well rounded and i am contented. i am not selfish and i am not twisting religion to excuse my lusting ways. i am a work in process in the eyes of God. i continue to seek out his Will but i dont fool myself either.
everyone can make their choices. this is a support forum and i believe that my voice may not be the popular one but it is the devil's advocate voice. i am the voice that will not be 'bitchy and sarcastic and popular' but i will be the voice of support and understanding.
oh, ashlar you tell me that jiggling my stuff has no talent. okay, does janet jackson have no talent when she dances. does madonna have no talent when she dances. does britney have no talent when she dances. does m. jackson have no talent when he dances?
well when i performed i didnt go nasty and i didnt get semi-hards ons and that stuff. i did a subtle burlesque dance and i didnt do it all night long. i danced for about 10 minutes 2 times a night by choice for about 4 months. i later toned it down to one song but made on average about $50 per song (3 minutes long)--that is talent!! Dont mistake it.
i apologize for a long comment. but i think these discussions are necessary sometims.
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Sorry that I don't have time to read the rest of the responses before I post. As it is I already have too much to say as it is.
To Jana,
Jesus said some of the same things to the Phrarisees that you said when He was here on earth. Got him on a cross is what it did. So you spoke truth and got into trouble with someone over it. You are in good company. And thanks for the wonderful things you have written to me. I appreciate it so very much.
To Ashlar,
I wish I could meet you. You have been so kind to me on this site. Thanks for your wonderful generosity of spirit. You are really a neat person. Some people are so busy trying to get the stick out of your eye that they don't see the cannon that is facing them in the face. But I wish you great happiness. And I think you see much more clearly then some give you credit. As I have said before, I wish I had your writing skills. I am so wordy. You have such wit.
To Hungthick,
you know so much about religion particulary the Chrstian religion, I did read a post later on about someone finding the Lord. Sorry, no one finds the Lord. the Lord finds us. Christianity is about God coming to us and helping find perfection. It is not about us finding God.
And you talk about family values and then tell Ashlar to fuck himself? Then you bring the Republican Party into the fray. Wow, now God is a Republican. Gee, glad I found out. I don't remember Jesus telling folks to fuck themselves. But you did.
I have a long fuse. I am very tolerent of people. They can do lots of things that while I may not agree with or might not do, I can accept. But we all have something that gets our goat. For me, it is for a person to high jack my religion and spout forth hate in the Christian name. I don't read my New Testament that way. Sure you find hatred in the Old Testament, but God is not always the author of it. Besides the very ancient peoples knowledge of God was not as great as the people later on.
Jesus said Judge not, lest you be judged. He told the men who wanted to stone the woman, Which one of you has not sinned? The men left. Jesus simply said, Go and sin no more. We don't know what the woman did after that. But Jesus said to her. Where are your condemners? She replied they are gone. Jesus said, Neither do I condemn you. On the cross, Jesus said, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." Jesus said Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Christianity is supposed to be about love and being in charity with your neighbors. It is about letting God find you and live within you and God leading you to being a better person each day and then one day in the future you ( in the plural here) will become total perfect person. When the creation is finished out there in the future
we will all be made perfect. That is all that allow God to live within them. No, I don't believe God will grab a person and force them to go to heaven to live. Hell is a place where all hatred and evil is burned. I believe that eternal life is offered to all people, that is ALL people. Those who turn it down just cease to exist. It is a choice.
According to the Bible, a bunch of folks showed up to see Jesus without their sack lunches. Jesus didn't go into a tirade about it. He fed the whole group with 5000 men alone there. He did not fuss about it in the least. Jesus took care of them. And that is what Jesus is all about. Taking care of his flock. And all including Ashlar and Jana are welcome. And they may be closer to His feet then you and I are. We don't know their hearts. We can't be the judge of that. Jesus was taking care of his sheep (people) long before I was born and I suspect He will long after I am dead. He really doesn't need my help. He did ask one thing and that is to go forth and teach all things I have commanded you.
So it might be a good idea to go back and find out just what it was that Jesus taught before you apply for your teaching license. I have no doubt you are sincere. I have no doubt you mean well. But what I miss that I think is so important is that heart. If it is there I can't see it. I can't judge you. I don't know. I just know I can't see it in your posts.
But I have seen it in Jana. I have seen it in Ashlar. By their fruits ye shall know them. The fruit that I have seen from them is good fruit. Maybe they lied and the fruit is fake. Maybe so. But it is not my place to judge that.
For the record I have no reason to think they are lying or the fruit is fake. I am just making it clear that I can't judge them as being great saints either.
So what can I do? Well Jesus accepted everyone. So that Is what I will do with Jana and Ashler. Accept them just like they have accepted me. I have been blessed knowing both of them on this site. For that I give thanks to God.
If you want to discuss religion, you have found the guy. I know the Bible pretty well. I am very concerned about your attitude toward other people.
Quite frankly, I find DMW, Zora and Ashlar to be very intertaining people. They show lots of love and compassion. They have all been wonderful to me. I don't care a bit about if they did porn or not. There is a fine line between porn and art. The New Testament was very concerned about prostitution and fornication, but if you read deeply, you will find that it was because some of the new "Christians" were bringing it into the church as in the worship services. In those days, there were religions that used sex as part of the worship service. The early church was making it clear that the church was an inappropriate place for prostitution and any sexual activity as part of the worhsip of God.
The sin of prostitution is primarily the pimp making the woman a slave. The early church wanted to free women from that kind of bondage.
As for nudity, the Bible doesn't say nearly as much about that as later church leaders did. And the Catholic Church has churches with the Adam and Eve story painted on the ceilings and walls and they are nude. The Sistene Chapel is the most famous.
Adult intertainment is what is is entertainment for adults. It is inappropriate for children to see.
Each person has a walk with God. As we walk with God anad here his voice, all of us will in time see things in our past that we wish we hadn't done or things we have outgrown. College kids do all kinds of things that men my age have given up. We are older and maybe wiser. Not sure about that. But just not interested in doing some of the things I did then now. But I am not sorry that I did them.
Real sins. Yes I am sorry very sorry. people I hurt very sorry. But just fun that college guys do and we still laugh about it when we get together no not sorry. Wish I could go back sometimes to my college days and do it again.
Jesus was put to death for breaking the Pharasaic laws and blaspheming God. Oops!!!! But the Gospels said he was a perfect man who committed no sin and quoted Jesus as saying the Father and I are one. So Jesus claimed to be God and some religious foks got their panties in a wad over it.
But you have no problem claiming that Jesus is God and was perfect do you?
I didn't think so.
But others condemned Jesus to death. Oops!! Someone goofed. Either they did or you did. Right. Or I could say Jesus did. That is what the Pharisees said he did.
But I am like you. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and lived a perfect life and wants to see all of us someday be like him and be joint heirs of the kingdom of God. I believe that is traditional Christian doctrine. I believe that.
What will you do when you get to heaven and find out that you are sharing a condo with Ashlar? And if Herble is around. Oh my. We do have a problem.
But you know. I think I will just let Jesus handle it. By george if he sees goodness and mercy in Ashlar and Ashlar enters the pearly gates.... well I will be the first to welcome him there. You know I am older and will probably been there a while when Ashlar goes to heaven. I hope so. I am already 53. I don't want his life cut short and him beating me there. Though I certainly want to see him when we both get there.
My biggest concern is your attitude of holier then thou. Jesus condemned that more than He did anything else while He was here on earth. Another reason Jesus was put to death was.............Oh No!..............he ate with sinners and tax collectors. .Oh my.......Hungthick, do you think you can get off your pedestal of family values and Republican politics long enough to do that? I am not judging you. You yourself brought up family values and the Republican Party. If you are condemned, then you have condemned yourself. Jana, Ashlar, and I didn't do it. We were minding our own business.
I am not condemning you at all. Only you know the answer to that last concern.
To my Jewish friends. I believe and the record of history shows that a small group of people condemned Jesus to death and that group did include some people who wer Jews and well as some Romans. But that does not make a whole religion or a group of people guilty of murder. The New Testament clearly states that The Jewish people are the favored and chosen race. All Jews who keep the law as you understand it will be in heaven as I understand the New Testament. I wanted to make that clear. The New Testament was about making it posible for non Jews to be children of God as well. It was not about cutting the Jewish peole out of God's will and leaving them without eternal life. My wife has Jewish ancestry as well has gentile ancestry. I would not dishonor her ancestors in the least. So Shalom to all of you of the Jewish faith.
I have said all I need to say for the night. I will be back later!!
