Hungthick, an open responce

[jonb]

Originally posted by Freddie53@Dec 28 2004, 03:18 AM
It is sad as an American to believe that George W. Bush is the most dagerous man in the world. I don't think he gives a damn about God or church. He is just using the religious right for his own political and financial agenda. I read back when he was President Elect that he had only one agenda and that was power.

Oh, about Bush, way back in 1999 he was saying how if his father had dragged out the war in Iraq, he would've beaten Clinton. But George Sr. borrowed his strategy from Sun Tzu instead of Machiavelli and thus lost the election. That's actually the reason my brothers and I broke family tradition and didn't enlist.

Honestly, I'm surprised Powell lasted 4 years in the administration; Bush's entire foreign policy violates the Powell Doctrine.

Bush wants to completely destroy social security because he doesn't believe in things like disability payments for those who are unable to work and social security has. So the system will be in trouble in the year 2052. Bush's solution seems to be take money out now and put it in private accounts (so his friends can make even more money) and so it will collapse now. Aboslutely stupid.

Not only that, but he wants people to access it as soon as they pay into it. This option just cries out "Make a full withdrawal and get that new iPod." Honestly, he's not a true conservative, so what makes him think all or even most of generation y is?

It reminds me of that South Park episode with Rob Reiner saying "Well, when I relax, I go to my vacation house in Hawaii." Everyone has to be going-to-hell-because-with-your-kind-of-wealth-you-had-to-have-done-something rich in order to implement Bush's plans.

I tell people I am not religious. I am a Christian. Of course you know what I mean. I don't have a high opinion of much of the organization of religion myself. But I know it is made up of people and people aren't perfect. Church is supposed to be, in the words of Dear Abby, "a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints." But there are those who high jack the church and use it for their own gain.

I don't even think most of these fundamentalists are that. Thanks to the magic of television, simony's back in style. Meanwhile, Fox advertises a number of other sins. (Watch Fox News for mortal, Fox Network for venial.)

Either way, fundies seem to be a case of a severe Oedipal conflict.

Thousands are dying because of Bush. Thousands will lose their health care because of Bush. I could go on and on. But I hold him personally responsible for the disaster that is awaiting America in the future.

I was thinking of writing to Bush and saying "Yanno, we'd be better-protected against biological weapons if we had universal health care." After all, these things are spread by vectors. In light of that, privatizing health care makes about as much sense as saying sex with a virgin cures venereal diseases.

And I feel sorry for the poor boy (Hungthick) that thinks he is going to change what he is sexually attracted to. He has been sold a fake bill of goods. We can change our response to what turns us on. But I don't think he will change what turns him on. I guess we should be pouring our heartfelt sympathy for him instead of attacking him the way we have. He j/ust doesn't get it. He will figure it out and when He does his problems will be compounded. The depression often sends people like him to the depths of hell and they become candidates for suicide. I have seen the pattern all too well. Yet, his comments can't go unchallenged. For the good of all people, we have to identify him for the fraud he really is.

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Sadly, that's how it is. And if you try changing your sexual orientation, you'll find yourself not only being gay, but being gay and promiscuous because it's hard to hide fidelity. I've noticed that in a lot of homophobes; the gay shows with a lot of crossover appeal are the ones where the gay characters are queer in both senses of the word.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by ashlar+Dec 28 2004, 12:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ashlar &#064; Dec 28 2004, 12:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Freddie53@Dec 28 2004, 06:25 AM

Thanks a lot. may you be very blessed in this life and the life to come.

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I don&#39;t think it could be any other way for any of us

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Thanks, I agree that all are offered blessings here and in the life to ocme. But, some are so filled with hate. jealosy, envy, and covetnesses that some doin&#39;t see the blessings that are there. I doubt they realize what they are doing. It is a shame and the redeeming thing is that at anytime they can receive those blessings. It is a matter of choice. Those blessings are there and have always been there. They are ours for the taking; to enjoy if we wish; to give to others when we see the need.

It is wonderful to have a new friend that enjoys the blessings God gave and shares them so well with others. The more we see and share, the more we have. Isn&#39;t it wondeful&#33;&#33;&#33;

It is really exciting to me to have you as a new friend. And the best part is that it is very genuine. That makes it extremely special.

 

[ashlar]

Originally posted by Freddie53+Dec 29 2004, 01:28 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Freddie53 &#064; Dec 29 2004, 01:28 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by ashlar@Dec 28 2004, 12:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Freddie53

@Dec 28 2004, 06:25 AM

Thanks a lot. may you be very blessed in this life and the life to come.

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I don&#39;t think it could be any other way for any of us

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Thanks, I agree that all are offered blessings here and in the life to ocme. But, some are so filled with hate. jealosy, envy, and covetnesses that some doin&#39;t see the blessings that are there. I doubt they realize what they are doing. It is a shame and the redeeming thing is that at anytime they can receive those blessings. It is a matter of choice. Those blessings are there and have always been there. They are ours for the taking; to enjoy if we wish; to give to others when we see the need.

It is wonderful to have a new friend that enjoys the blessings God gave and shares them so well with others. The more we see and share, the more we have. Isn&#39;t it wondeful&#33;&#33;&#33;

It is really exciting to me to have you as a new friend. And the best part is that it is very genuine. That makes it extremely special.

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My point exactly Freddy. Each individual makes a concious choice as to how to view a particular situation they have found themselvs entangled within, as well as how to progress and deal with the situation. We each make our own heaven and hell, right here on earth.

 

[madame_zora]

Jon, thanks for that link. It&#39;s refreshing to know that someone is taking their job seriously and preparing a place for ol&#39; dubya. I hope the tenth circle&#39;s big enough for his fat head.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by ashlar+Dec 29 2004, 01:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ashlar &#064; Dec 29 2004, 01:55 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Freddie53@Dec 29 2004, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by ashlar@Dec 28 2004, 12:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Freddie53

@Dec 28 2004, 06:25 AM

Thanks a lot. may you be very blessed in this life and the life to come.

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I don&#39;t think it could be any other way for any of us

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Thanks, I agree that all are offered blessings here and in the life to ocme. But, some are so filled with hate. jealosy, envy, and covetnesses that some doin&#39;t see the blessings that are there. I doubt they realize what they are doing. It is a shame and the redeeming thing is that at anytime they can receive those blessings. It is a matter of choice. Those blessings are there and have always been there. They are ours for the taking; to enjoy if we wish; to give to others when we see the need.

It is wonderful to have a new friend that enjoys the blessings God gave and shares them so well with others. The more we see and share, the more we have. Isn&#39;t it wondeful&#33;&#33;&#33;

It is really exciting to me to have you as a new friend. And the best part is that it is very genuine. That makes it extremely special.

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My point exactly Freddy. Each individual makes a concious choice as to how to view a particular situation they have found themselvs entangled within, as well as how to progress and deal with the situation. We each make our own heaven and hell, right here on earth.

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I agree with you 100 %. But I also believe in continues in the afterlife. I believe their is a spirit world that goes beyond this life. I think we have proof in the brain waves. we each have a spirit wave that may be the same as the brain wave that continues after death. It is uniquie to every person just like a finger print. There is a heaven out there. Each spirit can go there when it is ready to quit wondering around in its hell. Some go immediately, some wonder around. Some are so evil that they are destroyed by God when God sees that they are not redeemable. Possible examples: Hitler. Even Hitler may have chosen to change after this life. Who knows.

At any rate. I think this is compatable with my religion Christianity. I think it is my Christianity. If you read the Bible carefully in the light of what we know know about science, my understandiing is very easily defendable.

On another note, this might explain why some people can read other peoples minds. They have a wave to intercepting those waves and interpreting them.

Anyway, you and I clearly have the same understanding about life here on earth whether we have the same understanding about a life in the hereafter.

That is why we come to so many same conclusions and are so combatable in discussing life. I am sure some very traditional Christians will debate my understanding. If they do I will explain that on another post depending on what point they wish to debate.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by jonb+Dec 28 2004, 10:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jonb &#064; Dec 28 2004, 10:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Freddie53@Dec 28 2004, 03:18 AM
It is sad as an American to believe that George W. Bush is the most dagerous man in the world. I don&#39;t think he gives a damn about God or church. He is just using the religious right for his own political and financial agenda. I read back when he was President Elect that he had only one agenda and that was power.

Oh, about Bush, way back in 1999 he was saying how if his father had dragged out the war in Iraq, he would&#39;ve beaten Clinton. But George Sr. borrowed his strategy from Sun Tzu instead of Machiavelli and thus lost the election. That&#39;s actually the reason my brothers and I broke family tradition and didn&#39;t enlist.

Honestly, I&#39;m surprised Powell lasted 4 years in the administration; Bush&#39;s entire foreign policy violates the Powell Doctrine.

Bush wants to completely destroy social security because he doesn&#39;t believe in things like disability payments for those who are unable to work and  social security has.  So the system will be in trouble in the year 2052. Bush&#39;s solution seems to be take money out now and put it in private accounts (so his friends can make even more money) and so it will collapse now. Aboslutely stupid.

Not only that, but he wants people to access it as soon as they pay into it. This option just cries out "Make a full withdrawal and get that new iPod." Honestly, he&#39;s not a true conservative, so what makes him think all or even most of generation y is?

It reminds me of that South Park episode with Rob Reiner saying "Well, when I relax, I go to my vacation house in Hawaii." Everyone has to be going-to-hell-because-with-your-kind-of-wealth-you-had-to-have-done-something rich in order to implement Bush&#39;s plans.

I tell people I am not religious. I am a Christian. Of course you know what I mean. I don&#39;t have a high opinion of much of the organization of religion myself. But I know it is made up of people and people aren&#39;t perfect. Church is supposed to be, in the words of Dear Abby, "a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints." But there are those who high jack the church and use it for their own gain.

I don&#39;t even think most of these fundamentalists are that. Thanks to the magic of television, simony&#39;s back in style. Meanwhile, Fox advertises a number of other sins. (Watch Fox News for mortal, Fox Network for venial.)

Either way, fundies seem to be a case of a severe Oedipal conflict.

Thousands are dying because of Bush. Thousands will lose their health care because of Bush. I could go on and on. But I hold him personally responsible for the disaster that is awaiting America in the future.

I was thinking of writing to Bush and saying "Yanno, we&#39;d be better-protected against biological weapons if we had universal health care." After all, these things are spread by vectors. In light of that, privatizing health care makes about as much sense as saying sex with a virgin cures venereal diseases.

And I feel sorry for the poor boy (Hungthick) that thinks he is going to change what he is sexually attracted to. He has been sold a fake bill of goods. We can change our response to what turns us on. But I don&#39;t think he will change what turns him on. I guess we should be pouring our heartfelt sympathy for him instead of attacking him the way we have. He j/ust doesn&#39;t get it.  He will figure it out and when He does his problems will be compounded. The depression often sends people like him to the depths of hell and they become candidates for suicide. I have seen the pattern all too well. Yet, his comments can&#39;t go unchallenged.  For the good of all people, we have to identify him for the fraud he really is.

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Sadly, that&#39;s how it is. And if you try changing your sexual orientation, you&#39;ll find yourself not only being gay, but being gay and promiscuous because it&#39;s hard to hide fidelity. I&#39;ve noticed that in a lot of homophobes; the gay shows with a lot of crossover appeal are the ones where the gay characters are queer in both senses of the word.

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Thanks for your taking my thoughts and adding to them. I feel flattered. You could have put something in there I disagreed with. But no, everything you said I agree with 100 percent.

Jana, Ashlar and I want to give you a hearty welcome to our little compound down in Cuba. You know we are right on the bay. Dammit, where is our ocean side view?You should hear the sirons by now. It&#39;s Home Land Security again. With Ashlar and Jana in the next cell, I was feeling lonely. Glad to have a roommate to pass the time down there in Cuba with the other detainees.

We are going to get running water and indoor plumbing. It is in Bush&#39;s budget for 2012. We only have an eight year wait. We&#39;re tough. We can handle it.

*Jonb is now being sized for his new prison garb. It is the same color as Ashlar, Jana and Freddie&#39;s new outfits. Jonb is pleased.

*Ashlar and Jana have lost it, they are digging in their cell for weapons of mass destruction. I said "Mass" destruction. Don&#39;t get any ideas.

*Leave that M where it belongs&#33;

Freddie

 

[Freddie53]

Folks following this thread. We have a problem. Our dear friend Hungthick is in a heap of trouble. I don&#39;t know if we, that is Zora, Ashlar, and I, Freddie, can get out of our prison cells or not in time. It is tragic what is about to unfold.

Hungthick wants to go back to those wonderful values of the Dark Ages. It was in his quote. Well in those "good ole days of the Dark Ages", they fixed homosexuality real good. Bubba and George have teamed together to return our friend HungThick to those wonderful days. HungThick will be burned at the stage at 12 noon tomorrow. Not sure which tomorrow. The Republican insiders didn&#39;t tell me which one. They are a bit iffy about campaign promises. Remember the Balanced Budget Amendment) Sure you do. They don&#39;t. But I digress a bit here. It is not George&#39;s fault this time. All George did was have Laura read about the Dark Ages and report back to him. She is a former teacher. She can read. (Actually she ran a library at a school. But let&#39;s not get technical here.) Let&#39;s be kind to her. She only lasted 10 years unlike so many who taught for 40 years. Back to good ole&#39; George. George isn&#39;t feeling too good right now. Under his No Dick Left Behind Bill, he was the first casualty, err I meant winner.The Republicans aren&#39;t being too informative. But word on the street is that he was cut back to 2 1/2 inches. But they were going to cut it back to three inches, but they couldn&#39;t. Bubba told me that you folks could figure out why and not print those (short oops) statistics (I gave it away) over the internet too. Please forgive.

It seems that HungThick has confessed to homosexuality. They used his quotes here on the internet to convict him. And HungThick asks that it be handled with the Godly, and I use the term loosely here, values of the wonderful Dark Ages. So it is, all fags in the Dark Ages were burned at the stake. Inless, ahem, they were priests. That was different of course. Not being allowed a woman in their lives, what did you expect to happen. I digress again. Sorry.

But the worse is yet to come. Yes, had a little talk with the religious right authorities too. And wouldn&#39;t you know it, They found some verses that Jesus said. Something about hypocrisy. Then they took some other words Jesus said about hell and some folks, false prophets I believe it is that Jesus was talking about, and how they would be first to burn in hell. Being a Democrat and all, I can&#39;t read very well and have to rely on my dear Republican friends to read for me and I think that is what they said. That is a little different from what I have always believed about heaven and hell. But I know deep down that I can always trust the religious right to tell the truth. I digress again. I just can&#39;t help myself.

Anyway, these religous friends from the religious right, got some woman named Rice, I think that is her name, to research this for them. She is the new Secretary of State. ( All people in the second Bush Administration with IQ&#39;s of over 80 had to go. Sadly that included Colin Powel. But back to my story.) They (the religious right in case you have lost who we are talking about) want to make sure no weapons of mass destruction get into heaven. I digress again. Oops.

So they have found some laws and such in the Holy Scriptures and have now pronounced our dear friend HungThick as on the road straight to hell in a handbasket. It seems that there is conflicting reports about just when our dear friend HungThick is going to start burning. Some religous right wing experts have said that he won&#39;t start burning until after the Second Coming of Christ. But Dick Chaney had his daughter in law, (That is the term we use in polite company) get in touch with some of the angels to find out. Hungthick will start burning immediately after death so she says. She is actually Dick Chenny&#39;s lesbian duaghter&#39;s girl friend. She won&#39;t burn. If you take a sylable out of a verse in each book of the Bible you will find a revelation that in the last days right before the end of time.Those weapons of mass destruction again&#33; The fire that consumes the earth. Now we know where the fire will come from. Those MAD&#39;s again. But I return to the story. The revelation is that a right wing republican lesbian will get off the hook and even enter the pearly gates along with her very influential political friend&#39;s family. One condo is there for one lesbian couple. Only one lesbian couple will be allowed to get in. But back to my story.

We must get HungThick out of trouble quick. He has been such a dear friend. Called us all such wonderful names. And as you all know has lead such a pristine lifestyle that we all on this thread have aspired too. And he has been so kind, and saintly too. All he ever talked about was peace and harmony with neigbors. (Oh this hot sun in Cuba is getting to me. Forgive the hallucinations. It happens here in Cuba.) Well, we must act quickly.

Zora and Ashlar haven&#39;t found any weapons of mass destruction in their cell but their shovels just hit the basement of the White House.

Oh my. I think we can save HungThick&#33;&#33;&#33;

*Zora and Ashlar take a much needed rest from shoveling. They are in the Lincoln bedroom resting. At least that is what they said they were going to do. Don&#39;t know where Jonb is. I thought I heard three voices.

*Freddie is in the West Wing letting all of you know get the message via internet.

The important message.:

Just kidnap HungThick from the 700 Club headquarters and bring him to the Lincoln bedroom. Ashlar has something planned I understand. Some sort of celebration. Has something to do with Jana.

*Zora is strapping on her 24 inch length and 16 in girth dildo on. Wonder what she plans on doing with it?

And in the Lincoln bedroom&#33; Oh my my my&#33;&#33;&#33; What has this world come too.

 

[hungthick]

Who has a wakened this sleeping giant? Who awoke this peaceful lion? what false god has been prayed to since i last read posts on lpsg?

I think Freddie has been trying to &#39;get my goat&#39; (naughty naughty freddie).

The posts have been good reading and i read each line even when it went off subject, rhym and reason. i thought a filabuster was something one did in congress not in text? (lots of love, rots of ruck)

Do i not have a heart that beats like yours? do i not have a soul that yearns like yours? do i not have blood that coarses through my body like yours?

Freddie and others it is great this subject has taken off as it has done. my guess is the only reason is because posters like ashlar and m.zora are posting. i have respect for all posters and i read their posts because i am interested in their words. That said, they are not the end all and be all. all voices are valid. true voices are heard despite the rhedoric from the loudest ones.

it should be apparent that freddie is trying to get in that &#39;inner circle&#39; of m.zora and ashlar (who is this dude anyway?) and if he keeps praising them he might be in but loses his integrity in the process.

some parts of freddie is pedantic and other parts of freddie is an illusion of great depths of intelligence. reading that m.zora is in recovery NOW gives me the great understanding of her lashing out at me. (you see people in recovery are taught to stand up for themselves because they have low self esteem and in doing so they sometimes can become great bores of people).

my heart is in the right place and my attitude is in check...my friends are many and my charity is widespread.

common decency and respect is widely accepted and practiced worldwide. demonstrating disrespect to me but demanding it at the same time is an outright insult. anyone reading posts where my name has been involved knows the cheap attacks sprung from others. my defenses has been to keep on the subject at hand and to disregard the hateful words because &#39;God, they know not what they do." (how&#39;s that for a quote freddie darling?).

we remember the great people for their kindness, sincerity, gentleness, morals, ethics (personal and business), charity of others and MOST imporantly for their joy and happiness. everyone normal likes to be around radiant people. everyone likes to be around good, decent folks. (these great people hold strong to their convictions and they become the rock for even the illest of sinners).

 

[ashlar]

Originally posted by hungthick@Dec 29 2004, 01:06 PM
Who has a wakened this sleeping giant? Who awoke this peaceful lion? what false god has been prayed to since i last read posts on lpsg?

I think Freddie has been trying to &#39;get my goat&#39; (naughty naughty freddie).

The posts have been good reading and i read each line even when it went off subject, rhym and reason. i thought a filabuster was something one did in congress not in text? (lots of love, rots of ruck)

Do i not have a heart that beats like yours? do i not have a soul that yearns like yours? do i not have blood that coarses through my body like yours?

Freddie and others it is great this subject has taken off as it has done. my guess is the only reason is because posters like ashlar and m.zora are posting. i have respect for all posters and i read their posts because i am interested in their words. That said, they are not the end all and be all. all voices are valid. true voices are heard despite the rhedoric from the loudest ones.

it should be apparent that freddie is trying to get in that &#39;inner circle&#39; of m.zora and ashlar (who is this dude anyway?) and if he keeps praising them he might be in but loses his integrity in the process.

some parts of freddie is pedantic and other parts of freddie is an illusion of great depths of intelligence. reading that m.zora is in recovery NOW gives me the great understanding of her lashing out at me. (you see people in recovery are taught to stand up for themselves because they have low self esteem and in doing so they sometimes can become great bores of people).

my heart is in the right place and my attitude is in check...my friends are many and my charity is widespread.

common decency and respect is widely accepted and practiced worldwide. demonstrating disrespect to me but demanding it at the same time is an outright insult. anyone reading posts where my name has been involved knows the cheap attacks sprung from others. my defenses has been to keep on the subject at hand and to disregard the hateful words because &#39;God, they know not what they do." (how&#39;s that for a quote freddie darling?).

we remember the great people for their kindness, sincerity, gentleness, morals, ethics (personal and business), charity of others and MOST imporantly for their joy and happiness. everyone normal likes to be around radiant people. everyone likes to be around good, decent folks. (these great people hold strong to their convictions and they become the rock for even the illest of sinners).

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Don&#39;t worry hungthick, a teaspoon of sugar will help that jealousy go down.

 

[madame_zora]

Hungthick, you can&#39;t simple dump an avalanche of bullshit on this forum, and then act surprised when people make fun of you for it&#33; You MUST realise that it was in fact YOU who began the whole moralising, name-calling, better-than-thou-attitude- having ranting. Yes, I reacted, and overreacted- I don&#39;t apologise for that in the least. I want to make it clear to everyone who reads here how disgusting I find those views. It&#39;s an open forum, and all are free to post- even me&#33; Some people make the mistake of thinking that everyone being free to state their opinions means that they should go unchallenged, which is silly. You&#39;re free to say what you want, and everyone else is free to react to it from their own perspective. If you&#39;re not tough enough to take criticism, it would be a very good idea to plan more carefully what you put into print. If I were to guess, this is actually the primary problem, I doubt you could actually be as thichkheaded as you first appeared. So now you want to appear differently, well that&#39;s fine by me, but that does not erase what you&#39;ve already said, it just augments it. Still a move in a better direction in my view.

You do make a good point that I tend to overrun the forum because I post so much. Many times I have tried to stress the fact that I don&#39;t speak for all the women, all the gays, all the str8 guys, or anybody other than myself. I don&#39;t want to be some sort of dictator, but so often we who are "on the left" are not very vocal and tend to back down as a natural function of trying in earnest to see everyone&#39;s side. I am not inhibited by this much concern for my ability to remain detatched. We all have our place in the world, and mine is to yell loudly. Yes, recovery people can be a tiresome bore, but I rarely talk about alcoholism at all. If I mention it at all, it is to show my experience in overcoming obstacles, not to brag on my sucess or put anyone down for their personal struggles.

Freddie has posted a hilarious story making fun of an awkward situation. If you read it, it&#39;s just a fantasy and pretty well written too. It draws the interest of the reader and pokes fun at some ideas that need to be made fun of, not you personally. In fact, none of us know each other personally, except the few of us who converse outside the hallowed halls of lpsg. Here, it is our "internet selves" we interact with. I flirt my ass of with jonb, but I&#39;ve never seen a picture of him. I could see him at the airport tomorrow and never know it. I flirt with the image he projects, one of extreme intelligence, humor, compassion. For all I know, he puts cigarettes out on his dogs&#39; ass at home. Here, he is my friend. See what I&#39;m saying? Don&#39;t take too personal things said here, they are just reactions to the small slice of yourself you have shared with us, no one can dismiss you as a person, or even wants to, but many of us are eager to trounce ideas that are infectious and potentially harmful to others. This was my intention, that your bad philosophies not cause any other young readers to follow suit with some very bad self-imaging ideas you had presented.

As always, I will treat you with the same degree of respect that you treat me, unless you feel the need to say something patently idiotic, then I just can&#39;t help myself.

 

[madame_zora]

Freddie, your multiple digressions remind me of someone I know and love- me&#33;
Sadly, the only wmd I found was the one in Ashlar&#39;s pants, will I be safe in Lincoln&#39;s bedroom? Tune in tomorrow, folks.

*as the scene breaks for commercials, Madame Zora is seen in the kitchen in her best 50&#39;s June Alison dress saying "It&#39;s Shake-n-Bake, and I helped&#33;"*

Yeah, we&#39;re waaaaay off topic, but at least we&#39;re in Etc this time&#33;

 

[jonb]

I always said it&#39;s not so much hatred of sodomy as it is love of simony. Seriously, if fundies were to care about all sins, or even just the mortal ones, they&#39;d lose their congregation.

 

[ashlar]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Dec 29 2004, 05:40 PM

As always, I will treat you with the same degree of respect that you treat me, unless you feel the need to say something patently idiotic, then I just can&#39;t help myself.

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Ditto on that, as well as the rest. For the moment I&#39;m finished wasting my breath on hung-out-to-dry. I&#39;ve made my point, he has yet to fully respond to anything i&#39;ve said, and continues to side step the issues to instead focus upon the meaningless or bring up new topics to avoid those initally presented. His presentation is pathetic at best, and his support for his topics is practicly non existant. It&#39;s abundantly clear to anyone who reads this that hungstupid should be hung from the nearest tree branch capable of supporting his bullshit.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by jonb@Dec 29 2004, 05:58 PM
I always said it&#39;s not so much hatred of sodomy as it is love of simony. Seriously, if fundies were to care about all sins, or even just the mortal ones, they&#39;d lose their congregation.

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You are so right. Christians are human as well. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God says the Bible. And the condition can&#39;t be cured in this life. I believe in an afterlife.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck then it must be a duck.

So are the entry requirements to heaven in my book. They are the same for all. Jesus was quoted in saying that he had other flock in other places that knew him by other names. That was attributed to Jesus.

Christians struggle just like everyone else. We do try to support each other or we are suppose too. Well different groups of Christians support each other. Unfortuantely we can&#39;t even get the Christians to agree on much so how is the rest of the world going to fit in? About the same. Tis the folly of humans. We love to fight for fightings sake I guess.

Just accept some of us for what we are. I will accept what you are. So far you have shown yourself to be honorable and all that is good. I respect that very much.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Dec 29 2004, 05:46 PM
Freddie, your multiple digressions remind me of someone I know and love- me&#33;
Sadly, the only wmd I found was the one in Ashlar&#39;s pants, will I be safe in Lincoln&#39;s bedroom? Tune in tomorrow, folks.

*as the scene breaks for commercials, Madame Zora is seen in the kitchen in her best 50&#39;s June Alison dress saying "It&#39;s Shake-n-Bake, and I helped&#33;"*

Yeah, we&#39;re waaaaay off topic, but at least we&#39;re in Etc this time&#33;

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I remember that commercial. Can you do the shit eating grin that went with the commercial? (On the little girl that helped.)

About Lincoln&#39;s bedroom. It is not Ashlar that you need to watch. Word has it there will be a counter attack. It won&#39;t be Bush. He is shall we put it delicately, recovering from a little surgery compliments of the government. Heck, he signed the bill. He should have read the fine print the Democrats added at the end.

And the digressions. I have always wanted to write hilarious exagerated stories. I have never had a chance to write the ones I really wanted to write. Not where I live. I have to be so..... well you know the South. but inside me is Freddie. He has been with me all my life and very few people really know Freddie. And even fewer really know all about Freddie. Freddie has had a ball on this site being himself.

And you have been so supportive of me and my writings. You are an amazing person. You hit the nail on the head in what you wrote on one of your posts to another person. You could see me at an airport tomorrow and wouldn&#39;t know me. And even if I saw you, there would be no recognition. So we would miss each other. It does give the opportunity to just be ourselves with other people. And most of the frequent posters are artists or artsy in some way. No big surprise.

In my real life, I have been very blessed with many very close friends who were ladies. Never has my wife or one of the husbands ever had a problem. I am capable of separating sexual attraction and being friends with ease. Tis a shame more people can&#39;t do it. There are a lot of men who have lost many a friendship coming on to a woman who was not available or was obviously not interested.
I&#39;m sure women do too, but my mother was a class act that taught me how to handle those situations. Men can separate sexual attraction and delete it if they wish. They can do it with their daughters who look just like Mom at the same age. That had better do it or go to jail. Ditto for neices, sisters and so on.

Again best of luck to you. I think of you like a sister. You remind me of her. She and I were side kicks and defended each other as children or should I say covered for each other.

Jana, that is the highest honor I could bestow on you to compare you to my sister. We have been there for each other through thick and thin lo these many years. You parot some of her phrases or the other way around. Same themes. That is why I know what kind of person you really are. And why I feel I have known you all my life. Now my wife is nothing like you. That is a different story. Another day&#33;&#33;&#33;

 

[madame_zora]

Freddie, like you I find a certain compelling freedom on here to be myself, even to explore who that might be. I&#39;m going through a growth spurt of sorts at this age in my life, and it&#39;s good to have an opportunity such as this to get to know so many fascinating people who came together for such a bizzarre reason. We are a true collection of friends, for the most part, anonymity aside. I learn and grow from knowing a lot of people here, and am humbly pleased to have added you to my list of good friends. I hope I know you for a long time (that is MY highest honour).

As for your writing, I never say anything about someone&#39;s intelligence or abilities that I do not truly believe. One of the things that I have been asked to do time and again is to read someone else&#39;s poetry and prose for critical reasons. This is an honour and priveledge that I hold dear. I consider it a responsibility to look for characters, devices and word combinations that are unusual and interesting. I also look for how well the ideas intended were actually conveyed, do the jokes come across as funny, what does the reader grasp from the presentation, that kind of thing. I have honestly been finding your writings becomming more and more eloquent as you continue, so good job&#33; *gives Freddie a gold star by his name on the blackboard*.

One thing I would suggest that I am just now trying to do myself is that when we respond to each other&#39;s looooong posts, that we not re-post them, as it takes up a lot of unnecessary space. It&#39;s fine to quote a small one, but the big ones are somewhat cumbersome. I love having you here, you have a lot to offer all of us&#33;

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Dec 29 2004, 09:51 PM
I hope I know you for a long time (that is MY highest honour).

Thanks, so do I.

I have honestly been finding your writings becomming more and more eloquent as you continue, so good job&#33; *gives Freddie a gold star by his name on the blackboard*.

Well gee thanks. I have never really tried to develop my writing that much. No audience. And Freddie is just now venturing out ino the open. He has been kept cooped up here in the dear ole south.

One thing I would suggest that I am just now trying to do myself is that when we respond to each other&#39;s looooong posts, that we not (and I erased the rest&#33;&#33;&#33 Damit and I was doing so good for a while. But I remember what it was and i had been looking at some of those wondering just how to fix it the way I wanted to fix it. I had even thought about putting up on the forum a please help, I don&#39;t liike the looks of my posts. How do you fix it. But you came on first Thanks.

I love having you here, you have a lot to offer all of us&#33;

Thanks&#33; I have never seen such a gathering of different artists of different ages on a daily basis before except during my college years.

I was accused by HungThick of trying to please you and Ashlar and not following my true beliefs. Well I do think highly of you. But how he ever got it in his head that I was agreeing with him, I will never know. If you can figure that one out. Let me know. His deadly sin is hypocrisy. A gay guy belittling gay porn, but not straight porn. And insulting other gays here. He doesn&#39;t make any sense. He has a loose screw and his elevator doesn&#39;t go all the way to the top. But on the flip side, there is plenty of space for his brain to grow.

I doubt he will ever see this unless someone finds it for him. So sad.

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Well I tried. I did this once before and it was a mess. And on on of my replies tonight I looked at it and you couldn&#39;t tell what I wrote and what they wrote and what they wrote was awful. But I wasn&#39;t sure how to fix it except cut and paste. Is there another trick to this I don&#39;t know about. I see all those groovy references back but no posts underneath. You do them quite well. Just how do you do it. There are others on this forum who don&#39;t know how that is done I am sure as well.

And thanks for the wonderful things you say about me. You have a lot of wisdom. There are a lot of boys on this site whose mother will never talk to them. I am glad you are there for them. I think we probably have more similar backgrounds then we know about. We sure do think a lot alike. I am amazed.

I looked at the preview. I did something wrong. Jonb, is that the right spelling? took one of my posts and broke it up and gave his answers to what I wrote. That is what i tried to do here and as you can see most of what I wrote appears that you wrote it. I haven&#39;t found the right buttons to push yet. But I want to know how he did it and how you do it, because it will make it so much easier for me to give rebuttals to bad posts.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Freddie53]

It is sad as an American to believe that George W. Bush is the most dagerous man in the world. I don&#39;t think he gives a damn about God or church. He is just using the religious right for his own political and financial agenda. I read back when he was President Elect that he had only one agenda and that was power.

Oh, about Bush, way back in 1999 he was saying how if his father had dragged out the war in Iraq, he would&#39;ve beaten Clinton. But George Sr. borrowed his strategy from Sun Tzu instead of Machiavelli and thus lost the election. That&#39;s actually the reason my brothers and I broke family tradition and didn&#39;t enlist.



I feel honored that you took my post and added to it. I feel highly complimented. For those just tuning in the whole post is posted on Dec 28.

Thanks again. And your knowledge is quite remarkable. I am glad our government wants to hold other countries accountable on human rights and all. But the truth is our own government failed miserably until about 30 years ago. While we are much better than we were, I am not sure how well we would compare with some that we criticise or not. Some of the reservations are still relocation camps where poverty abounds for many native Amreicans. And our record on health care is dismal. And our American owned corporations are running factories in other countries that fail in all categories of working environment, wages and benefits. Some of those factories don&#39;t even provide basic human rights, yet American companies totally own the factories. So we don&#39;t still practice slavery. Yes, we just moved it to another place.

I appreciate your pointing out some of those specifics. I don&#39;t recall specifics like I used to. But you do it well.

Hang in there. We appreciate you.