I don't understand why it is any other countries business

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Unfortunately I'm a bit to nervous to do that given the current situation with our State Department. They tend to carry things to extreme. I want to visit Cuba. I do not want to visit Guantanamo Bay.

It's a situation I understand but think insane.

Today, Cuba is as much a threat to US National Security as this website, probably less. I passed by Guantanamo on one trip, I remember the day clearly - there was a Hurricane blowing, (Irene was her name) so didn't see much. That was before the days of the men in orange of course.

One day, I'm sure.
 

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Its a good point and I haven't forgotten it.

But Russia and China were happy to arm North Viet Nam with exotic weapons and those cost lots more US lives than Cuba ever did. And the US now happily does business with China and Viet Nam.

My question still stands: Why hate Cuba worse than others?


Because we don't have thousands of rich Chinese holding the Republican Party and the Democratic Party hostage on our own soil for this purpose. We have rich white Cuban people who loved Batista because he allowed them to enslave the less desirable people (who happened to have melanin in their skin) on plantations. They lobby our Congress to keep our agressive policies toward Cuba alive. They are very effective. Anyone remember Elián González and that mess?

They had our State Department playing social worker because the Cuban community of Miami/Fort Lauderdale wanted to make a political point. They couldn't care less about the welfare of Elián. And they most certainly didn't care about Elián's father and what he would feel having lost his wife and his son.
 

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Graham Greene is always good.
I'm also an old Hemingstein buff ... so would want to go out to the Finca Vigia.

OK, OK. I know, but I hate laptops.:tongue:

But yes, he is. As you know, Hemingway is something of a 'demi-god' there. I view him rather less chariably, but the force remains strong to many on the island.:smile:
 

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Just my opinion but when our American government uses the word "democracy", it actually means a market economy. It doesn't mean what the people vote for. It's usually to the advantage of the large industrialized nations to create so-called democracies.
 

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Well, simcha, you pride yourself on your anality ... but seems to Rubi that you, as an asshole, are simply an asshole.:cool:

You know, Rubi, I thought I liked you. Now I'm not so sure... I ceased at Gillette's request. Perhaps Gillette would like to be fair and censor you too?
 

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I spend quite a lot of time in countries where "people" do not have a vote. That does not mean of course that people do not have influence or a say in how things are.

I am quite happy to be corrected, but i am under the impression that Cuba has a higher life expectancy, better education levels, lower infant mortality rates, and better health provision than it's neighbour, the USA. If you were to be cynical, you might say that the US did not appreciate this.

However, a lack of choice does seem to lead to corruption of all things, as it did in the previous administration in Cuba.

It is the big question. Does democracy really deliver to all the citizens all the time? I tend to see that the bottom 20% get shat on in first world countries. They have probably worked out what percentage have to be unhappy to cause a revolt and it is certainly more than 20%.

Maybe all political systems are just about what percentage of what group gets shat on.

Read Animal Farm SnS.

Happy to correct. Whoohoo.. Cuba is 79 and US is 78.2.... like every.. no like ANY American knows or cares about the 10 month difference of senior citizenry. How about the lifestyle thereof.

And do you have ANY or ZERO clue why US mortality rates are the way they are..... in second world countries... any baby who is born and struggling they let go and die... they don't have the $$$, nor technologies to keep them afloat, per se. The United States is, for example, one of only a handful countries that keeps detailed statistics on early fetal mortality — the survival rate of infants who are born as early as the 20th week of gestation.

How does this skew the statistics? Because in the United States if an infant is born weighing only 400 grams and not breathing, a doctor will likely spend lot of time and money trying to revive that infant. If the infant does not survive — and the mortality rate for such infants is in excess of 50 percent — that sequence of events will be recorded as a live birth and then a death. In Cuba, it's out the window and into the dumpster.
... next up...

Be smart on statistics... spoon-fed America and the mainstream media can take simple stats and turn them on their side so easily.

Education... ok literacy... US is at 99% and Cuba is at 99.7 or 99.8 pending the source. One country has 303 million ppl, the other has 11 million ppl. One forces children to go to school, the other (under the guise of the ACLU and every lib legal outlet) allows children to drop out of school, under the guise that government will support them via welfare.

Last I checked.. I never heard of any American jealous of Cuban literacy or math scores vs Americans. Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Sweden, the UK, Italy,.... AKA countries that "matter" (sorry, but Cuba contributes little to global welfare) have equal literacy rates.

Let's look at higher education... nevermind. Too easy.


why in the world do you think myriads of ppl in Miami/South Florida have been dancing in the streets today????!!!

Much of your bottom 20% you mention here feed off the system... why in the MOST PROPSERIOUS of times... when companies are starving for employment, handing out absurd signing bonuses... illegals filling low paying jobs, etc... did we still find 4% unemployment??? Image:Us unemployment rates 1950 2005.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(note: given how AWFUL and evil Bush has been, with historical low economic policies, we are mysteriously at better unemployment rates than the 90's... 80's and 70's... but I digress.

So your theory on the "revolt level", if true, must take out the 'bottom' lazy 4% as they seem to not care or try.... and worse case of late we see the near 10% Reagan inherited from Carter....

Americans have become so expectant at times, it' sickening.

Want more, work more.
 

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I was definitely joking.
If you didn't get that, then I apologize.

:wink: Um, I got it.... And I was poking fun at myself too. I took it too far perhaps when I involved Gillette's name? :redface:

I hope you get it that I was being sarcastic.

Ugh, alright... Back to the subject at hand... CUBA :rolleyes:
 

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:wink: Um, I got it.... And I was poking fun at myself too. I took it too far perhaps when I involved Gillette's name? :redface:
I hope you get it that I was being sarcastic.
Ugh, alright... Back to the subject at hand... CUBA :rolleyes:

You know, simcha, the only thing I'm sure of is that I wish I had one of those kissy-kissy smilies.:tongue: