I don't understand why it is any other countries business

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Like Snoozan I've tried to stay out of S&S's threads but I would like to know how come she was never given a wrist slapping when she was making random nasty remarks to a bunch of us. And Lafever, who is a troll of the nastiest sort, has received support from you and someone who merely retaliated to his foulness was publically rebuked.

The ToS state trolling is not condoned on this site, yet there are several trolls on here who are supported while the people they attack get the shit end of the stick.
 

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Gillette, i decided to delete this post, not because i said anything necessarily insulting, But after reading your last response, i felt it would be the best thing to not add fuel to anyones fire over this issue. I will slowly back my way out of this thread. S&S is the pro at disappearing when things start to brew over her like this. And just for the record, dont say your tits are real when they obviously are not. 90% of Playboy has fake tits so its obviously not a bad thing to most men. If you want to remain quiet about it because you dont want anyone to know, then the best thing is not to say that your implants are real as a caption to all your photos. People dont take to kindly to liars is all.
 

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Gilette, I understand what you're doing. I really do. I'm trying to stay out of the fray on this one and others involving S&S and others lately because it does nothing but make me look even more like a bitch (as if that's possible). It's not worth my time to get worked up over the same idiot time and time again.

What I don't understand, though, is why certain posters whose name rhymes with carless can post things 20 times over what Red and Simcha just did and get absolutely no censure whatsoever. I don't know whose pet he is and why your mod team seems to love him so much, but why aren't you applying these rules evenly? What about what lafever just did that got his thread closed? Why are you letting things escalate to the point of insane nastiness in some threads and then coming down like a ton of bricks on relatively minor things here?

I agree, the stuff with S&S needs to stop, and I personally want nothing to do with her little shit sandwich dramas anymore. I just don't understand why this thread, now and not the 9,000 times "Carless" has said some truly awful things to a good number of people on this site. I mean, really, is it that you truly think he's funny and what he says isn't as or more malicious than the things in this thread said to S&S? I don't get it.

Maybe the reason some of us natives are getting restless is that there's no real sense of what the rules are anymore.

The trouble with Arliss is that he skirts the ToS a little too well. And I have given him public rebukes before. People keep falling for his shit. He is a master baiter. He'll say something asinine, not directed at anyone specifically and folks leap to respond with name calling, cursing and insults. That ends up reading as them making the first directed attack!

Seriously. He posts how notorious he is at both sites and, boom, people jump on him. Why respond at all? Is he that important? That compelling? Hell no! If there's a fly buzzing somewhere in your house are you going to knock over every piece of furniture trying to kill it or will you just ignore it until it dries up on the windowsill somewhere?

Same goes for this one. If I have the approximate time line right, she joined, participated in chat and got ripped into for her appearance and had the fake tits thing thrown in her face. She retaliated and it has spiraled out of control from there. They may be fake, they may not be, but I'm flummoxed by everybody's obsession with proving it one way or the other. Someone posted recently that the only person who really knows a member's story is that member them-self. Why does this not apply in this case? Even if they are fake and she's lying about it, so what? Really, why does anybody care? Is anyone so hungry for the attention that they need to sway those who might appreciate her pics away from her? Are those who are drawn in by her appearance alone really those whose attention you'd have any use for? Why?

I've put this theory out before. Those of us who've been here for a certain period of time have lost interest in the subjects that initially drew us here and are now looking for new entertainment. The Hunt. Arliss seems to relish playing the fox and the hound. I don't think that it's necessarily S&S's intent.

I propose an experiment of maturity. Do not engage. It has been my experience that if you sit back and observe quietly that trolls, given enough rope, will happily hang themselves. If they break the truce first, great, report it, and we'll have a clear case of abuse. Right now it's all a jumble of bickering.

Ditto, Lafever. I was blissfully happy when I could pretend that he didn't exist. I find his posts a miserable mishmash to read. I wouldn't have to if people wouldn't respond to his threads (though I will agree that his potential plea for money did require one). Just about everything else he posts deserves to die in dead-thread-land, IMO.

I type slowly, and I can only imagine how many other responses have crept in meanwhile. Don't count on my responding beyond this post.
 

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Thanks a lot, Gillette. That was a well thought out post and I'm glad that you put in the time to write it. I understand your reasoning, and though I don't necessarily see things exactly as you do, I get your point of view. I really appreciate that.
 

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I don't have much of a problem with Arliss, he's like a naughty three year old out to shock and a one trick pony at that.

However, S&S and Lafever are both another matter, both claim mental illness as justification for their downright nastiness, yet both can manage to be perfectly polite when it suits them. S&S hasn't retaliated, she has been the initiator of unpleasantness many times, indeed my first encounter with her I advised her to calm down and and she instantly labelled me a consort and decided I was a 'hater' :) Lafever has made libellous accusations about a member of this board which clearly stepped over the boundaries of what is normally acceptable when members exchange heated insults.

The ToS state no trolling, yet these two trolls are allowed to rampage around the board with your full support sometimes Gillette and even with your protection on occasion. I don't believe banning is a good thing I believe that sites should largely be self moderated, but as you're taking away our rights to self moderate then do your job and ban them.

Incidentally Lafever was banned from another site which cannot be named for having multiple accounts so it seems likely he'll have them on here.
 

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We are all forced to look at avatars. We can choose to look at galleries.

Of all people not wanting us to create democracy, its funny a naked woman would say it. Enjoying the freedoms our country and other free countries allow her to do.

This makes sense. You can keep telling me what i said doesnt apply to the topic. But it surely does.

It doesn't because she doesn't specify being against spreading democracy alone. The OP applies equally in the other direction, such as muslims wishing to enforce their ways in non muslim countries. By reading the OP in only one possible direction the bias revealed is your own.

I am for creating democracy. And anyone can have a naked gallery on here, i can choose not to look at it.

And you've gotten very biased and snippy with people while getting onto them for being snippy. I thought part of your job is to be kind of robotic about the TOS and rules and not injecting your own personal feelings into who and how you get onto people invoking the name of Moderator. Maybe I'm wrong? I think it would be a lot better if Mods had screen names they could post opinions under and screen names they could repremand people under. I suppose its really impossible not to inject your own personal feelings while moderating, kind of like a journalist not being biased. We have feelings that affect why we feel strongly about a particular person or topic and as hard as we try, it cant be 100% supressed.

Actually, I try very hard not to be biassed. You seem to have glossed over the fact that I also told S&S to desist in this thread as well. Again, your percieved bias.

It would be nice to know when you are talking to us as a member or talking to us as a mod with potential to ban.

If I'm cursing or telling someone off, I'm a member. If I reference the ToS, something that even members do as well, I'm still speaking as a member but it's worth thinking twice about the direction you're heading in. In fact, it's worth thinking twice when any memer makes reference to it.

If you see the words "official warning on behalf of the moderating team" from me then that's what it is.
 

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I don't have much of a problem with Arliss, he's like a naughty three year old out to shock and a one trick pony at that.

However, S&S and Lafever are both another matter, both claim mental illness as justification for their downright nastiness, yet both can manage to be perfectly polite when it suits them. S&S hasn't retaliated, she has been the initiator of unpleasantness many times, indeed my first encounter with her I advised her to calm down and and she instantly labelled me a consort and decided I was a 'hater' :) Lafever has made libellous accusations about a member of this board which clearly stepped over the boundaries of what is normally acceptable when members exchange heated insults.

The ToS state no trolling, yet these two trolls are allowed to rampage around the board with your full support sometimes Gillette and even with your protection on occasion. I don't believe banning is a good thing I believe that sites should largely be self moderated, but as you're taking away our rights to self moderate then do your job and ban them.

Incidentally Lafever was banned from another site which cannot be named for having multiple accounts so it seems likely he'll have them on here.

Would that be the unmoderated completely self-moderating site?:rolleyes:

I've already explained that in the heat of continuous crossfire it's very difficult to determine who is in the wrong. This is why I'm asking for a moratorium. If there's a ceasefire and the smoke clears it's much easier to pinpoint the direction a single shot came from. When it's 5 on 1 and I ask everybody to back off I'm sure it appears that I'm only protecting the one. No one considers I'm also protecting you from becoming the same.

You want us as moderators to make a kill shot on certain people? Fine. Happy to. I get annoyed by this shit, too. But use the report button please because it's fucking difficult to take aim if the lot of you are piled on top of them screaming, "right here!".

Why people don't see the logic of this mystifies me.

Good fucking night.
 

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if another country is a "democracy".

It seems controlling and wrong that some countries try to force other countries to do things one way.

What does it matter if one country uses democracy and the other one socialism and communism

I tried to read all of the posts in the thread and haven't got there yet, so if I say something that doesn't fit or repeat something just ignore me and go on -- sorry AHEAD OF TIME.

I was just thinking though, like if you see that Amistad movie which was just on TV again, the British were trying to stop the slave trade while other countries or areas of the world went on with it. You could say "who do those British think they are, trying to "force" other countries to do things their way." On the other hand, if you are jailed in some slave fortress about to be shipped off to a slave state, you would probably say "I wish there were more navies out there like the British trying to force this horrible place to do things their way (the anti-slavery way)."

Would it be right to say in the 1930s/40s "who are we to tell Hitler and the Nazis what to do? If killing Jews (and gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) works for them, we shouldn't "force" them to do otherwise. Maybe WE are wrong and the Nazi's are right! We have to respect the Nazi culture, even if it is different from our own. Plus, check out their great health care system, and their schools are GREAT! Their kids read so much better than ours!"
 

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If I'm cursing or telling someone off, I'm a member. If I reference the ToS, something that even members do as well, I'm still speaking as a member but it's worth thinking twice about the direction you're heading in. In fact, it's worth thinking twice when any memer makes reference to it.

If you see the words "official warning on behalf of the moderating team" from me then that's what it is.

The direction I'm heading in? I've seen threads in the past where you've told someone they were on the path to removal from LPSG before, while i didnt agree with it, its the reason why some of us with opinions and testicles are a little worried when it comes to the on again/off again rule system.

At this point, i think we all need to back the fuck off of one another. I need my sugars elevated and a nap. Some things we will never see eye to eye on. With a site this large there are so many viewpoints on the same topic that you (me) cant please everyone all the time.
 

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We have trade with Vietnam, and China because of two main reasons. First, Americans tend to be selfish greedy pigs. Second, our government has been run by dumbasses that think you can buy friendship. Giving people money doesn't buy friends.

Billy's got a nickel, Billy's got a nickel, Billy's got a nickel, he never knew he had so many friends before......
 

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T\I've seen threads in the past where you've told someone they were on the path to removal from LPSG before, while i didnt agree with it, its the reason why some of us with opinions and testicles are a little worried when it comes to the on again/off again rule system.

Post of the day, if not the month. Well put.
 

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The direction I'm heading in? I've seen threads in the past where you've told someone they were on the path to removal from LPSG before, while i didnt agree with it, its the reason why some of us with opinions and testicles are a little worried when it comes to the on again/off again rule system.

Yeah, doesn't it seem that some people are more equal than others?
 

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I tried to read all of the posts in the thread and haven't got there yet, so if I say something that doesn't fit or repeat something just ignore me and go on -- sorry AHEAD OF TIME.

I was just thinking though, like if you see that Amistad movie which was just on TV again, the British were trying to stop the slave trade while other countries or areas of the world went on with it. You could say "who do those British think they are, trying to "force" other countries to do things their way." On the other hand, if you are jailed in some slave fortress about to be shipped off to a slave state, you would probably say "I wish there were more navies out there like the British trying to force this horrible place to do things their way (the anti-slavery way)."

Would it be right to say in the 1930s/40s "who are we to tell Hitler and the Nazis what to do? If killing Jews (and gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) works for them, we shouldn't "force" them to do otherwise. Maybe WE are wrong and the Nazi's are right! We have to respect the Nazi culture, even if it is different from our own. Plus, check out their great health care system, and their schools are GREAT! Their kids read so much better than ours!"
This is something that I wanted to touch on EXACTLY but I couldn't organize my ideas to express them like you just did.
Thank you.
Cuba doesn't ,that I have found so far, have these seroius issues like slavery and genocide.
That is one of the reasons I tried to make a comparison to China since China still has some severe human rights issues.
I'm too tired to finish what I wanted to say.
I feel that Burma has some very sad oppression as well as other places and "the navies" are not helping and the US does not have an embargo.
I feel the embargo is unreasonable with Cuba precisely because they lack serious human rights issues ( like slavery and genocide). Issues like what BHR was describing about oppression of women and all sorts of serious human rights issues that I consider atrocities.

I have to go to bed now.
I hope this made sense.
I'll try to work on it some more tomorow.
 

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My question still stands: Why hate Cuba worse than others?

I tried to answer this in my post on page 1. Maybe you have me on ignore. :rolleyes:

To a degree, the socialism of Cuba hsa worked and delivered real benefits to its people, benefits that are better than you enjoy under your system. It undermines the ideology of anti socialism, and it's very close to home.
 

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And do you have ANY or ZERO clue why US mortality rates are the way they are..... in second world countries... any baby who is born and struggling they let go and die... they don't have the $$$, nor technologies to keep them afloat, per se. The United States is, for example, one of only a handful countries that keeps detailed statistics on early fetal mortality — the survival rate of infants who are born as early as the 20th week of gestation.

But Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the US. The US is 40th in the world. So I am not sure of your logic here. Anyway their social care is pretty impressive, given where they sit in GDP terms.

Do you believe that the US has 99% literacy. It seems statistically improbable to me. Are we all measuring the same way? :smile:

But TBH, I don't trust the stats from any Government that has a point to prove. The Chinese throw stats at you like confetti.