Show me some hard data on circ. It's never been studied, just been done. Tell me how you would design double blind studies that would pass ethical review in the United States? That's why they go to Africa where they can pay "research" subjects (a pittance) for their foreskins and treat people as guinea pigs.
I got circumcised today
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Another djxnoto special, ie completely clueless and wrong. Thousands of guys are lining up in Africa for circumcision due to the deadly AIDS epidemic there. The doctor who did my circ has worked there training Africans to do the proceedure. They have to pay for it, tho it is subsidized it's enough in their economy that the poor cant afford it. In Kenya about $75. You don't need to do a double blind experiment on guys penises to find out if they like being circumcised or not better, you just need to ask them. The biggest used 10,000 guys and reported that many more men reported that after circ sex felt better and was more satisfying, than said it was worse. Most said it felt exactly the same which is closest to the truth probably. That might not convince djxnoto but as a science major I can tell you it has alot more validity than anything found on CIRP, NOCIRC, or ILUVSMEGMA.
DAY 20 -- 420 update.
Improvement is getting gradual as things get back to normal. Maybe I should say "get to normal" rather than "get back" in my case! I'm at the point where I can now jerk off rather than just rubbing, with lube and being careful to not get carried away. The skin is tight now which sort of connect the penis and balls together as a unit which feels really nice. Possible oral sex date tonight!
Improvement is getting gradual as things get back to normal. Maybe I should say "get to normal" rather than "get back" in my case! I'm at the point where I can now jerk off rather than just rubbing, with lube and being careful to not get carried away. The skin is tight now which sort of connect the penis and balls together as a unit which feels really nice. Possible oral sex date tonight!
And they'll probably have more AIDS when they are all cut, believing that circ protects them. Is the human race really progressing? Your connection to your doctor makes what you say just as suspect as anything to come from CIRP or NOCIRC and your ILUVSMEGMA speaks to your cultural bias.
As an uncut guy, I really don't see the benefits of being cut, other than maybe preventing some stank, but I keep my ish clean as it is so I don't see that as a concern.
However, doesn't it hurt after a while when your underwear constantly rubs up on the exposed head?
However, doesn't it hurt after a while when your underwear constantly rubs up on the exposed head?
Hello!! Sanity check!!! Exactly right.
Just fucking ask them. Even ask them on this board. But the Brigade isn't interested in the answer. Instead they try to sow the seeds of doubt to the dimwitted that they are missing something.
their isn't any other word that fits their Roderic other than the word brigade and they aren't interested in how or what you like better. unless you believe their BS. then your their best friend LOL. and you don't have to go back to many post to see this is correct either. not even counting this thread and their post from its beginning. :wink:
We've been through this before.../sigh. You should have read the thread before coming in. I have one for you:
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And again the Sorrels study looks at pressure on the penis. Not sexual pleasure. It has absolutely no bearing for any sexually based argument in regards to circumcision. We already went through this.
Most of the world is uncut so those links are meaningless.
It was never designed to remove sexual pleasure. Religions used it as a right of passage. I wouldnt get circumcised for religious reasons mainly due to me being atheist but again, I dont see it as such either. For me it was a corrective solution. As for my personal experience I think it gave me a new outlook on sex.
I don't live for my penis, while I enjoy the pleasure it gives me I think there are more important things in life. I can clearly see how it can effect a person's life. It did mine. We are kind of talking from two different backgrounds. I got cut as an adult. I knew what I had and I was happy to get rid of it.
Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies
And again the Sorrels study looks at pressure on the penis. Not sexual pleasure. It has absolutely no bearing for any sexually based argument in regards to circumcision. We already went through this.
Most of the world is uncut so those links are meaningless.
It was never designed to remove sexual pleasure. Religions used it as a right of passage. I wouldnt get circumcised for religious reasons mainly due to me being atheist but again, I dont see it as such either. For me it was a corrective solution. As for my personal experience I think it gave me a new outlook on sex.
I don't live for my penis, while I enjoy the pleasure it gives me I think there are more important things in life. I can clearly see how it can effect a person's life. It did mine. We are kind of talking from two different backgrounds. I got cut as an adult. I knew what I had and I was happy to get rid of it.
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Stop putting words in my mouth. I speak quite fine for myself. To me it has nothing to do with whether youre cut or not. Guys have penis problems. Someone like me solved his with circumcision. You've never known what its like to have one so you build a problem around it.
Stop twisting his words, and your last sentence is ludicrous. How do you know a "natural" penis is a "marvelously sensitive organ". Youve never had a foreskin. I have a broad range of sensation in my penis, who are you to say an uncut one is better?
You have stated the SMARTEST thing youve said since this argument started but you dont live by it. What I experience is NOT the same as what you experience. However you guys automatically assume that what I experience is less than I would experience with a foreskin. I am simply here telling you that in my case, this is NOT what happened. Why is this soooooo hard to believe?
With this paragraph we can agree on this if you keep it to that. I am just not going to sit here and let you tell me or any other circumcised guy that our penis is no good. There is simply not enough evidence to support either side just our individual accounts.
And with that said it goes back to the original post of this thread. A guy getting a circumcision and from everything I have read he is pleased with it. Why do you guys continue to birate him with silly unproven notions just to support your agenda.
I have seen in the other thread where you guys basically post article after article on the fight against circumcision on a daily basis. Go through look at your post...you guys are on a crusade of some sorts. That's all fine and well when you go into X foreskin thread or Y RIC thread but dont bring that in adult circumcision thread because the argument simply does not hold up.
Done in the US studied elsewhere. Dont ask me why your country is so backwards.
If people arent the guinea pigs then who should we get?
LOL. Youre too much. I guess you decided to dedicate your life to downing circumcision? You sound like PETA
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It doesnt for me. Well unless I wear boxers. It doesnt hurt so much but wearing boxers is like asking for an all day hard on.
Truly, my advantage is not having to live with a phimotic penis.
If you've been around here long enough you will know 'The Brigade'. Resistance is futile. Al Gore wrote a book called 'The Assault on Reason'. He wrote not, of course, thinking of The Brigade here but he might as well. They assault reason and logic relentlessly. I was once given 'proof' that uncut guys are more sensitive because the poster could 'jerk them off quicker'. I'd like to see that reported as 'evidence' in The New England Journal of Medicine.
None better.
Of course Sorrels HAD to to go to the lab, if he had simply asked the men he would not have liked the answer. Sorrels has been on a crusade since the 1970's to end circumcision and he conducts a study on the procedure and surprise what is the finding.
Huuum they won't like that answer. There are people here who literally spend years with devices hooked up to their Johnson trying to get that flap of skin back. It is King.
By your logic, we should all have chemo-therapy because of the wonders it worked for some guy with intestinal cancer.
There are various non-amputating ways to resolve phimosis. Whether you tried them all or didn't have the patience or desire to save your foreskin, it doesn't change the fact that you now get less sensation from your penis, as surely as a man who lost function in one ear no longer hears in stereo.
-Ron
Welcome to the debate.
The two largest "ask if sex got better or worse" studies I know of were the Korean doctor's and the Bailey Africa/HIV trial.
The Korean asked men who - like some guys here - had real problems that required circumcision. Three-fourths said sex was neither better nor worse. Of the remainder, three-fourths said it got worse and one-fourth said it got better. This shocks me since they all had symptoms they wanted alleviated.
Bailey asked the HIV/circ volunteers (an average of a year after being cut) whether sex was satisfying. He compared that to similar before numbers and to the guys who weren't cut yet. What he got was satisfaction numbers around 99% in all cases. Actually, the intact guys went up a tenth of a percent, but statistically it was a tie, so the headlines screamed: "Circumcision doesn't reduce sexual satisfaction."
But he didn't measure anything, not even sexual satisfaction. EVERY other study that asks such a question tops out around 90% or below. His questioning was not sensitive enough to pick up any effect. But recall, these volunteers ALL WANTED to be circumcised for cultural reasons, so I'm not sure the results would mean much if had designed a relevant survey.
The fact that no placebo-controlled or double-blinded study could be contrived to justify amputating healthy normal body parts is not my problem. I feel equally unconcerned that nobody could use placebo-controlled or double-blinded studies to prove that people see nearly as well with one eye.
Either you value intact genitals and all your pleasure-receptive tissue or you don't. For some reason foreskin is the only healthy valuable body that it's ok to propose pre-emptive amputation for, simply because we're culturally accustomed to it, not because it ever made sense. Short of an immediate life-threatening condition there is certainly nothing to justify amputating parts from minors whose informed consent we could just as well obtain later.
Again, I'm thrilled with your thus-far successful outcome.
My ex-GF/sometimes lover really loved the remodel! I admit I sort of was thinking of this kind of thing when I decided to let her in on my getting clipped. She certainly knew about my foreskin issues and it was good to have a woman's perspective--I wish I had videoed her reaction when I told her about "foreskin restorers". It could have been put on youtube.
The actual sexual "act" (at least on my part) was over in record time but even so was certainly something I'll remember. If I can describe the feeling compared to uncut, the best would be to say it was somewhat "deeper". Hard to explain that to anybody who hasn't experienced both ways but I'll be interested if those guys agree.
The actual sexual "act" (at least on my part) was over in record time but even so was certainly something I'll remember. If I can describe the feeling compared to uncut, the best would be to say it was somewhat "deeper". Hard to explain that to anybody who hasn't experienced both ways but I'll be interested if those guys agree.
DUMB answer. We dont all have cancer. We dont all have phimosis. If you dont have either you dont have a need to find a solution. Again, this is NOT a RIC argument. STOP trying to turn it into one.
There are two non-evasive methods. I tried one. I got no results and I did not have a problem with being circumcised. I did not see it as a case of saving my foreskin. Stop assuming. You are not attached to my dick, I lost NO sensation. Youre starting to sound redundant and Im starting to believe youre into this brigadeer group you guys have here.
Again, this is not a RIC argument. I wont allow you to turn it into one. A lot of us gave the consent to be cut but just like I have already quoted you still feel that is not sufficient. Your rationale is inadequate to this argument.
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