But a lot of these are medically caused prepstud, starting with forced retractions in infancy and toddlerhood. This causes bleeding and scarring and makes the foreskin inelastic. Adult phimosis is relatively rare. I'm not saying it does not happen, but it happens a lot more frequently when it is caused by incorrect instructions given to caregivers by medical people. Otherwise, why would there be any problems requiring circumcisions? It's just a normal part of your body and your penis. If you've had a look around you'll know that the majority of men on LPSG are genitally intact just like the majority of men worldwide.
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Your proof? I didn't retract my foreskin till I was like 11. I was in puberty. I retracted it myself. However, looking at my medical records my pediatrician would describe my genitals as having phimosis. EVERY YEAR she wrote this on the record.
No its not. Its just like any other part of your body where it can fail you and you can chose to have it corrected. How you chose to have it corrected is up to the person. If said person chooses circumcision they shouldnt have to hear the nonsense and lies you shove around on these boards.
Darkbond, why are you so angry about this? Go somewhere and have a time out.
Did you ever read the article I've posted several times in threads you have contributed to? Please read it so you can comment:
Only Clean What Is Seen - Reversing the epidemic of forcible foreskin retractions
If it's lies, why is it lies? I take exception to you reflexively denigrating anything that does not agree with your personal experience and calling it nonsense. If it's nonsense, why is it nonsense? Premature retraction is quite common, especially in North America where circumcision is the unnatural norm.
Here's an acquaintance's personal experience. Because it does not agree with yours does not make it a lie.
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I was about five years old when my MD yanked my foreskin back very hard. I screamed in pain. My penis glans started to bleed. Then, my MD cleaned my glans with rough gauze, put Vaseline on my glans and pulled my foreskin back to its original position. Each and every MD visit thereafter, until I was about eight years old, I was subjected to the same hard yanking back of my foreskin with lessening pain though. The reason my MD stopped yanking my foreskin back was that I threatened him with a punch or two. My mother was shocked with my behavior. When I had sports physicals, the school MD did the same thing. Mothers of intact sonsdont allow anyone to touch your sons penises, including your MDs too!
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I think that a lot of the discussion is because some of the cut people think that the "grass is greener on the other side." Having been cut as a baby, not having any problems with it, and being cut loosely, I have had a very good time with my dick, and I know that it has brought pleasure to people I have had sex with. If I had been cut very tightly, or had some other problem with my circumcision, I might feel differently.
My friends and I have talked about being cut and none of them have had any problems with it. Only my college roomate was uncut and had problems with his skin, and not having any first hand knowledge of what it was like for him, I have to rely on what he told me. I can only speak from my experience being cut and I like it. If I had some kind of issue with it, I might have a different opinion.
My friends and I have talked about being cut and none of them have had any problems with it. Only my college roomate was uncut and had problems with his skin, and not having any first hand knowledge of what it was like for him, I have to rely on what he told me. I can only speak from my experience being cut and I like it. If I had some kind of issue with it, I might have a different opinion.
And sometimes the other way around.
Thanks prepstud. Very reasonable commentary. At the very least, persons should be adults before consenting to circumcisions. I have first or second hand knowledge of a number of boys circumcised because they didn't fit in or adult relatives or acquaintances teased, cajoled or coached them into getting part of their dicks cut off. Nothing physically wrong with them at all.
Here's an acquaintance relating that type of experience:
Well, it's the biggest regret of my life. The situation was that I had too much foreskin. (Yeah, that sounds weird now) and it would bunch up behind my glans when it was retracted—it could be a bit bothering sometimes. So I consulted with circed people and read websites about circumcision and from that I gathered that the sensitivity loss wasn't very great. I just made one mistake: I forgot that the circed people had never experienced uncut sex and thus would not know how sensitive one is supposed to be and how good sex is supposed to feel! So obviously their advice wasn't good for [ahem] shit. Unfortunately I took it, also after having read the circ webpages. I'm really mad at the owners of those websites now as they distribute lies upon lies upon lies. According to them there is no sensitivity loss when you're circed!!!? It pains me to know how many other unsuspecting people will be lured into circumcision because of those websites.
Anyhow, I had the circ done and gradually over the next months I could feel my sensitivity reducing. Now my glans is almost numb, and sex is almost irrelevant to me as I can't feel very much. It has now become a race for orgasm as that is the only pleasure I achieve from coitus. Plus I'm becoming semi-impotent now... I had to dump a girlfriend because I wouldn't tell her that I couldn't have sex with her. It's just too embarrassing to reveal that when you’re 19.
All in all, circumcision sucks. Maybe it's just me who has had a very unfortunate reaction to circumcision, but I suspect that all over the world circed people have missed out on great, great sex. And the terrible thing is that they don't even know it!
I'm not mad. You simply are not being intellectually responsible when you post links like that as support for your argument. There is NO evidence that forcing back foreskins cause phimosis so WHY DO YOU EVEN BRING IT UP WHEN IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD.
My sister is a pediatrician and one of the first things they learn about young male genitals that are intact is to not force them back. I feel your acquaintance's testimony is an anomaly and maybe even something different all together.
Now you have resorted to the acquaintance argument defense which quite frankly holds no water cause it can be made up.
Sure, anything can be made up. The whole web's made up. Now, what about the article I posted? I know it is lengthy, but you can read the first few pages and get an overview.
Where does your sister practice medicine?
Aren't you contradicting yourself there a bit?
Where does your sister practice medicine?
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She practices medicine in the Bahamas. Went to school in the USA. I read just a small part of the article but its propaganda and isn't worth my time finishing.
And no its not a contradiction. It's two points.
1. Forcing foreskins back does not cause phimosis
2. Doctors are taught not to force them back mainly because there is no need to. You can test for phimotic tissue without forcing back.
well D. i am going to call this what it is. :bsflag::bsflag::bsflag:how long did it take you to make this story up ? and or find someone on the web to pay them to say this big pack of lie so you could repost it here and use it to ferther you propaganda brigade along with your fetish ? it is clearly obvious by this that you are running out of BS. to post about the circumsied cock if you have to resort this low. this is something only you would make up in your own twisted fetish mind, so as to fullfill your forskin fetish even more than [ if thats possible ] it already is.
. Oh by the way my dad is better than your dad, so there.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah. well my hubbys big circumsied cock is bigger than yours LOL.:biggrin1: just having a little fun with ya turnstall. i understand where your coming from believe me.
oh yeah. well my hubbys big circumsied cock is bigger than yours LOL.:biggrin1: just having a little fun with ya turnstall. i understand where your coming from believe me.
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It's too bad you think that. I can't force information into your head. It's published in a parenting magazine. It's well referenced. Why is it propaganda?
If forcing a child's foreskin back is not harmful, why is "one of the first things they learn about young male genitals that are intact is to not force them back." (Why would anyone force a child's foreskin back in the first place?) And if it's not done, why then did your sister learn not to do it (presumably in a U.S. medical college)? I am hopeful that they are starting to correct some of their misinformation, but as the article mentions the misinformation is still passed down as folklore. I don't think there is a born and bred U.S. citizen of the last several generations who has not heard and been influenced by this folklore. It is in fact the substance of G32js' every post.
If forcing foreskins back does not cause phimosis, then from whence does "phimotic tissue" arise? The only possibility I can think of is Balanitis Xerotica Obliterans (BXO), also called lichen sclerosis and scleroderma, a fungal infection of genital tissue, rare for women and men and rarer still for children.
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yes a well referenced mag, with info. from everyone who is against circumsion.... also you keep doing it again over and over DXJ. trying to turn this thread into an RIC. an also try to use me for your propaganda. BS. the op has clearly stated that he prefers his cock now much better [ CIRCUMCISED ] get it through your head dude [ YOU LOSE AGAIN ] and you keep trying to tell everyone how he is uninformed an that he doesn't know any better. [ WRONG ] read close here now D. OK.... we will all explain it to you again.. an maybe this time you will get it. [ but i dont think so realy as you never have listen to anyone so far on this subject ] you see he the op. had a [ for skin ] that is that thing your lacking that you been fantasizing about every since you saw your first one.. and you haven't realized yet how lucky you were that your MAMA.. circumcised you at a young age.... now for a while [ the OP..] you still with us here DXJ ? he seen how it was to have it he developed a problem with it [ his for skin ] [ of which you seem to think no one ever does ] so the op .. he got himself circumcised to cure the problem once an for all. an he is now enjoying jerking his cock off more. an has also enjoyed better sex as he himself has stated here in his own thread. so don't try an say that i just made that up D. go back an read the OPs replies to the questions ask him by others. an stop trying to dig up BS. to further your cause about others. an the op about how they don't know what they are feeling and/or they are misinformed. as you clearly do not know half of what you have been posting. an you even you D. i hope cant believe half the crap your throwing out their an calling it 100% med. advise an expect everyone to believe it... an when others have friends in the medical field such as myself included here, who know something more than you ... you challenge them, their friends . their prefrence. an what ever else you can dream up.
It comes from a bias source. It's like when the Jehovah's Witness come to your door and tell you to change your life and there is only one way to do it. People who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities and you sir are being ABSURD!
DUDE. I did NOT say it is NOT harmful. I SAID IT DOES NOT CAUSE PHIMOSIS. That is what you said. Let me reiterate.
DXJNORTO says: Forcing a childs Foreskin back causes phimosis.
DARKBOND says: No it does not cause phimosis however it is not a good thing to do.
AHA!
See...proof that you were making an assumption. Stop assuming. Youre making shit up and trying to support an argument you know realize you have no support for. You bring up RIC and child circumcisions because at least you have some moral footing there (even though moral arguments are dumb arguments).
To be honest, I dont know how I got my phimosis. Personally I dont even care. It's gone now and thats all that matters.
Guys, "forcing a foreskin back" is not the same as "gently pulling the foreskin back as far as it wants to go". The anti circ brigade are doing much hard by making it look like parents should never try to retract their son's foreskin, and claiming that smegma is libricant instead of admitting that smegma is just decompising putrid skin cells.
I think you're looking for a disagreement where none exists.
Smegma includes decomposing skin cells and it happens to serve a valuable emollient, anti-pathogenic function. Until someone is old enough to be getting head it is of no concern.
Clean what is seen is the AAP's advice for caregivers, and it's perfect. Only the owner should ever retract a foreskin, and he should do it as much as he likes.
MercyfulFate
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I'm circumcized, and wonder if I have a male child if I'll do it. I'm glad I am, and there ARE benefits, despite the naysayers braying otherwise.
However, it does seem wrong to do that to a child. I'm not sure I could make that decision.
However, it does seem wrong to do that to a child. I'm not sure I could make that decision.
herkimer snow
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MercyfulFate, you don't have to make the decision. Only in America is it even an issue. The rest of the world has caught on. Just don't do it to a baby. I've had a foreskin for more than 65 years. It has given me no trouble, keeping clean has never been a problem, it has given me--and others--immense pleasure and continues to do so, it's a normal thing for males to have, probably their best piece of property. Why any adult would deprive a baby boy of his foreskin is a mystery. And a little bit scary. If it becomes a problem later, a circumcision is always possible, but by then it's the owner's choice, as it should always be.
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