I got circumcised today

[D_Myer_Dogasflees]

i've lost my previous replys due to a power outage.


yes, most of the nerves are gone, sensation is obviously drastically reduced, almost all of certain specialized nerves are gone, the ruin of 500 million years of specialised mother natures research, the well formed mechanism of protecting the head and aiding in sex is gone, the quality of orgasm is reduced, flexibility is gone(i can't reach orgasm when masturbating lying flat on my back), there are plenty psychological effects, better orgasm brings better mental well-being concentration, causes, it's irreplaceable, trauma to the baby undergoing the procedure, the zest of life good sex brings and ecetera, many studies reconfirm the same results that 80 to 90 percent of woman prefer uncut, the penis is also damaged later in life as there is nothing to protect the head, it reduces your chances of reproducing .......


as to woman, imagine someone telling you:"it's more hygeinic" : here from the university of egypt: islamqa.com/en/ref/5769/doc

of course we should do this to all woman then too

and considering that the female cliterous doesn't even have a 10th of the number of nerve endings that the foreskin has, and that in many countries female circumcision is punished with 20 years, female circumcision non-sense is the same as male circumcision nonsense, why is nothing done about male circumcision?


It was only designed to lower the amount of pleasure achieved during orgasm. Only so that people could focus on other things in life such as religion. It is a direct attempt to hijack what we live for, only to control people into doing the deeds of a few psychopathic individuals, only to control, in the exact same light as other practices such as breast ironing, female circumcision, foot molding, regardless if humans are unknowingly forced into servitude, and away from their cardinal pleasures and their own rightful reasons for living.

it is the most extreme form of destruction to a persons quality of life in our day and age, it has to end and justice should be served.

 

[D_Myer_Dogasflees]

so i've stated my thoughts, using documents, renowned research studies, and relevant logic, while Saragon & g2832 would forever continue to throw lame completely irrelevant childish attacks, as the saying goes, the one who throws the first punch, loses the argument. goodbye to you two, im putting you on ignore, and i've stated my reason.

 

[deleted15807]

And, of course, not a single reputable source. Power outage indeed. The power is out in many places.

 

[darkbond007]

you are ignoring the very things i've said and attacked me with completly unrelated gestures, such as that i am 'using a strawman', while you openly ignore the fact that strawmans don't have arguments or realavant points either.

CLEARLY the utmost form of hypocrisy!

Stop being full of yourself. The reply was no way directed to you, just my overall feelings of the thread. As stated I have nothing more to add to this argument.

My points are very relevant seeing as they bring a level of rationale you guys wont even begin to admit due to the underlying agenda you have.

 

[darkbond007]

That's an interesting position in light of the fact that the desire to amputate your healthy normal body parts actually has a clinical name: Bodily Integrity Identity Disorder. That's bona fide crazy.

I'm not saying this has anything to do with you. If your penis had a defect I applaud your right to choose to do something about it, and I salute the diligence that led to your speedy sterile recovery.

I got into this when a "nurse" said your case is why circ should be done on infants "when it's easier." I know you don't feel that way, and we both know an adult gets a superior cut job.

Cheers,
-Ron

I want to jump back in on this because I need some clarity. Out of all the posts in this thread this is the one I will take the most serious because I find it offensive and before I go off the deep end I want to make sure I understand what TLC is saying here.

Your sig, sir, says HIS Body HIS decision. OK fine. It was my body, and I made the decision. I made quite an informed decision, and I am 100% happy with it. With that said you are now saying I have a disorder??????????

You damn me if I get cut as a kid and if I get cut as an adult? Either I was mutilated as a kid or went crazy as an adult? Is this your argument is this what you are trying to say??? This disorder you listed I'm not even sure you understand. It is a true sickness and is only marginally treatable. Not to mention it is a gross and irresponsible misplacement of this disorder in reference to circumcision. This disorder's primary focus is on the removal of limbs.

Please clarify!

 

[deleted15807]

Your sig, sir, says HIS Body HIS decision. OK fine. It was my body, and I made the decision. I made quite an informed decision, and I am 100% happy with it. With that said you are now saying I have a disorder??????????

Meet Ron (Mr. TLC Tugger) himself...............

Meet TLC Tugger

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

Meet Ron (Mr. TLC Tugger) himself...............

Meet TLC Tugger

did you see where he said his wife got very excited during sex with him being circumcised. BUT he failed to say anything about her excitement with his forskin. well imagine that.... wonder why? LOL. he also said at the end that he [WANTS ] circumcision to be outlawed [every where an also in the united states.] [ SOOOOO ] like some have said an [ I'M ONE OF THEM WHO HAS BEEN SAYING IT] an this proves all of us [ RIGHT ] some of you uncuts are trying to [ FORCE ] your forskin fetish ways off on everyone who don't agree with you, an also anyone who be it man/women/gay or straight. who likes a circumcised cock. should not have what they like. or enjoy their preference. an the brigade on just this site alone proves us right in saying this an voicing our opinion. thanks SARGON for posting this, it makes our point of view on the word [ FORCE in the way he uses the word so freely here. an to have other to have a forskin who don't want or like it to be stuck with it, so much more correct doesn't it ? as what he said here is as plain as it could be said. [ his wish is to outlaw all circumcisions every where.] also by him stating his wish on this. at the same time is the final blow to some members of the brigade her, who go around screaming their famous words about [choice.] [their body ] an all the other BS. they say about being or getting circumcised. so SCORE a ANOTHER ONE UP for the CIRCUMCISED cock lovers. :biggrin1::biggrin1:

 

[B_dxjnorto]

due to the underlying agenda you have.

And you have none? Intactivists don't object to adults getting cut, but we do object to trolling for other adults to get cut by saying how great it is. If not you, then your circlist thread buddies.

C'mon dude. A limb is an appendage. A penis is an appendage. Anybody can understand that BIID is the irrational need to cut off normal body parts. Yeah, I know, nothing to do with you. Must be brianincny. Broadcasting his illness for other dudes to get cut because they want to. You're so above it all.

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

And you have none? Intactivists don't object to adults getting cut, but we do object to trolling for other adults to get cut by saying how great it is.


is that so DXJNORTO. i guess then it isn't you that comes into every post an says how great it is to have a foreskin, an any male who hasn't have one is either nuts or not functional to women or men for that matter during sex.[ WRONG ] big time wrong.. [ oh those with small mind who are so misinformed as you seem to be here. be it man/women, who has anything to say thats contrary to you an the cut cock. you hate so much. fine you don't like being cut deal with it, but others don't an they dealt with it. DUDE.. read SARGONS link about meeting TLC tugger, [ meet Mr. tagger. i think it was called.] he plainly says its his wish to make it against the law for anyone to be circumcised every where. he wants this a law. these are his exact words. an you support his idea, other wise you wouldn't have posted all the BS. about adults an ric. in the vote to end RIC thread we had while back on this very site.. an also any other thread about cut , uncut cocks. you have said basically all the things he said in this video in almost every post. also a few others have as well. so having said all this, it is your an lots of others objective to troll others an also bash them for being an or wanting to get circumcised as an adult or any other reason they wish. an calling it anything other than this is total BS. on your part. .

 

[deleted15807]

he also said at the end that he [WANTS ] circumcision to be outlawed [every where an also in the united states.] [ SOOOOO ] like some have said an [ I'M ONE OF THEM WHO HAS BEEN SAYING IT] an this proves all of us [ RIGHT ] some of you uncuts are trying to [ FORCE ] your forskin fetish ways off on everyone who don't agree with you.....

And anyone who can connect-the-dots can see that. It's a two part strategy; end RIC and end adult circumcisions. And all data/research is warped around those goals. Notice 8928 has fled this thread and reactivated the long deceased thread to end RIC. He fled this thread which dealt with adult circumcision to reactivate ending RIC. It's so obvious it's hilarious. Welcome to the Intactivist Twilight Zone.

As for TLCTugger there's got a real conflict of interest going on, preaching the idea that circumcision has denied men of something while selling a product to give it back. Smooth Operator.

 

[darkbond007]

And you have none? Intactivists don't object to adults getting cut, but we do object to trolling for other adults to get cut by saying how great it is. If not you, then your circlist thread buddies.

C'mon dude. A limb is an appendage. A penis is an appendage. Anybody can understand that BIID is the irrational need to cut off normal body parts. Yeah, I know, nothing to do with you. Must be brianincny. Broadcasting his illness for other dudes to get cut because they want to. You're so above it all.

No...BIID also has a handicap component to it. Circumcision has no handicap traits. BIID does not refer to the removal of a skin from your penis. No I dont have an agenda, I never trolled any thread telling people to get cut, the only thing I say is, if you want to be cut then you have every right.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Circumcision has no handicap traits.

So you say--the practice depends on this mistruth.

It's not just my imagination that adult circ is encouraged by others saying join the club. It is a type of BIID:

http://www.lpsg.org/2146915-post75.html

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

And anyone who can connect-the-dots can see that. It's a two part strategy; end RIC and end adult circumcisions. And all data/research is warped around those goals. Notice 8928 has fled this thread and reactivated the long deceased thread to end RIC. He fled this thread which dealt with adult circumcision to reactivate ending RIC. It's so obvious it's hilarious. Welcome to the Intactivist Twilight Zone.

As for TLCTugger there's got a real conflict of interest going on, preaching the idea that circumcision has denied men of something while selling a product to give it back. Smooth Operator.

The dots have been connected for a long time now on this one SARGON. an they know it. other wise why would they be bouncing around so much from RIC TO an adult ? an when they get whipped out on those two subjects or topic. they then jump the topic to female circumcision. an yes the ending RIC reactivation thread [as i also noticed that my self ] is just more proof we are correct in what we have been saying all along huh? trying to force every man to have a foreskin an control a womens an a mans preference on how they like their cock.

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

It's not just my imagination that adult circ is encouraged by others saying join the club. It is a type of BIID:

oh yes try to turn the tables an make it all look like its all the people who prefer cut cocks. DXJNORTO. just admit it you have been caught up in your web of BS. FINLAY, so forget it admit it an move on. AS it is your wish to FORCE every male to not be able to be circumcised [ he even said so himself that that was his wish ] an like tugger an others like you. every time you cant get your wish. you resort to blaming every guy /women who prefers cut cocks, an try to convince them that they are not normal. [ we no who isn't normal here dude. YOU. ] so you fantasize about anything you can an try to use it for your agenda. when most of the guys your telling BS. to has had a foreskin for yrs. an are glad to be rid of it an have said so on here many times. but you still keep up with the brigade an wanting laws to prevent it or what ever so you can have your way.

 

[TLCTugger]

That's an interesting position in light of the fact that the desire to amputate your healthy normal body parts actually has a clinical name: Bodily Integrity Identity Disorder. That's bona fide crazy.

I'm not saying this has anything to do with you. If your penis had a defect I applaud your right to choose to do something about it, and I salute the diligence that led to your speedy sterile recovery.

I got into this when a "nurse" said your case is why circ should be done on infants "when it's easier." I know you don't feel that way, and we both know an adult gets a superior cut job.

Cheers,
-Ron

I want to jump back in on this because I need some clarity. Out of all the posts in this thread this is the one I will take the most serious because I find it offensive and before I go off the deep end I want to make sure I understand what TLC is saying here.

Your sig, sir, says HIS Body HIS decision. OK fine. It was my body, and I made the decision. I made quite an informed decision, and I am 100% happy with it. With that said you are now saying I have a disorder??????????

You damn me if I get cut as a kid and if I get cut as an adult? Either I was mutilated as a kid or went crazy as an adult? Is this your argument is this what you are trying to say??? This disorder you listed I'm not even sure you understand. It is a true sickness and is only marginally treatable. Not to mention it is a gross and irresponsible misplacement of this disorder in reference to circumcision. This disorder's primary focus is on the removal of limbs.

Sorry for quoting so much. It's no usually my way.

Please clarify!

I never said you had a disorder. I wasn't talking to you for one thing. I said cutting HEALTHY NORMAL body parts is a sign of disorder and there is no arguing that fact. I said it because somebody said those opposed to circumcising were crazy.

I don't damn you if you're cut as a kid. I'd be glad to help you undo as much of the damage as possible.

I applaud your right to choose as an adult, but I'd wish to make sure you're trully informed about what you're doing (for example, not mislead by surveys like Bailey's conducted only a few months after the amputation), and I'd call your doctor negligent if he didn't advise a psych evaluation IF you were asking for HEALTHY NORMAL body parts to amputated.

Cheers,
-Ron

 

[TLCTugger]

did you see where he said his wife got very excited during sex with him being circumcised. BUT he failed to say anything about her excitement with his forskin. well imagine that.... wonder why?

Well, she does discuss it in this interview:
YouTube - TLC Tugger - 2005 Interview about Foreskin Restoration

he also said at the end that he [WANTS ] circumcision to be outlawed [every where an also in the united states.]

Yeah, well I didn't edit that student film. We were discussing infant circumcision. Yes, it should be illegal to cut a well child's genitals.

SCORE a ANOTHER ONE UP for the CIRCUMCISED cock lovers. :biggrin1::biggrin1:

Whatever. Just tell me substituting "circumcised clit lovers" wouldn't make for a quotation from someone we could all agree to hate.

-Ron

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Why is this even marginally legal? You convert to Judaism and then decide that your twelve year old son must have part of his penis cut off?! And how is it possible that the physician would not be guilty of sexual assault?

This type of shit happens all the time behind the scenes of our ridiculous cultural fixation on normal genitalia.

Misha's Case

AN URGENT APPEAL FOR YOUR HELP
TO PROTECT A 12 YEAR-OLD BOY

Those of you who are serious about protecting children from non-therapeutic circumcision have a unique opportunity to assist with a legal case in Oregon. An Oregon father, (an attorney), claims to be in the process of converting to Judaism and wants his now 12-year-old son, "Misha", of whom he has custody, circumcised against both the child’s and the natural mother’s express wishes.

Sadly, a physician, a fellow congregant of the father, has already been found willing to ignore the child’s wishes. The father claims a rabbi has insisted on the child’s circumcision. The father’s motives might even be sheer spite toward Misha’s mother; we can’t know.

An attorney working pro bono publico has donated more than $20,000 of his time to assisting the mother by attempting to block the circumcision in the courts. The case is now on its way to the Oregon Supreme Court after losses at both the trial level and an intermediate appellate court. Judges have affirmed without opinion or testimony that a non-medical circumcision of a 12-year-old is ‘within the discretion of a custodial parent.’ There is no medical necessity alleged at all by anyone. The circumcision would be purely cultural, even merely spiteful.

If you could possibly assist; I urge you to make a tax-deductible donation to Doctors Opposing Circumcision, in Misha’s name, to be used only for his legal fees and costs. I will supply you with much more detail by pdf if you have a sincere wish to help. Even small sums, the cost of a restaurant meal, $25, $50, will help if enough people chip in, but if you can afford more, that would be deeply appreciated by the boy and his mother who cannot afford to oppose the attorney-father.

This is the clearest case of a parent’s claimed religious "beliefs" trumping a child’s right to an intact body that I have seen in 26 years of practicing law. It fairly screams out for justice, but justice costs, even when most of the legal help has so far been provided pro bono. (Those of you with an interest in reading how the US Supreme Court balances children’s bodily rights vs. a parent’s rights to the free practice of religion might considering reading Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 US Sup Ct 158: “Parents may be free to become martyrs themselves. But it does not follow they are free to make martyrs of their children.&#8221

PLEASE feel free to re-post this at websites and bulletin boards where concerned and sympathetic souls browse.

And please note that my bona fides, and that of the attorney in Oregon, Clay Patrick, are both verifiable at the Oregon and Washington state websites authenticating licensed attorneys. The progress of the case is easily verified at the Oregon Courts website, though as a family law case, the file may be partially sealed for the child’s protection.

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

Why is this even marginally legal? You convert to Judaism and then decide that your twelve year old son must have part of his penis cut off?! And how is it possible that the physician would not be guilty of sexual assault?

This type of shit happens all the time behind the scenes of our ridiculous cultural fixation on normal genitalia.

Misha's Case

AN URGENT APPEAL FOR YOUR HELP
TO PROTECT A 12 YEAR-OLD BOY

Those of you who are serious about protecting children from non-therapeutic circumcision have a unique opportunity to assist with a legal case in Oregon. An Oregon father, (an attorney), claims to be in the process of converting to Judaism and wants his now 12-year-old son, "Misha", of whom he has custody, circumcised against both the child’s and the natural mother’s express wishes.

Sadly, a physician, a fellow congregant of the father, has already been found willing to ignore the child’s wishes. The father claims a rabbi has insisted on the child’s circumcision. The father’s motives might even be sheer spite toward Misha’s mother; we can’t know.

An attorney working pro bono publico has donated more than $20,000 of his time to assisting the mother by attempting to block the circumcision in the courts. The case is now on its way to the Oregon Supreme Court after losses at both the trial level and an intermediate appellate court. Judges have affirmed without opinion or testimony that a non-medical circumcision of a 12-year-old is ‘within the discretion of a custodial parent.’ There is no medical necessity alleged at all by anyone. The circumcision would be purely cultural, even merely spiteful.

If you could possibly assist; I urge you to make a tax-deductible donation to Doctors Opposing Circumcision, in Misha’s name, to be used only for his legal fees and costs. I will supply you with much more detail by pdf if you have a sincere wish to help. Even small sums, the cost of a restaurant meal, $25, $50, will help if enough people chip in, but if you can afford more, that would be deeply appreciated by the boy and his mother who cannot afford to oppose the attorney-father.

This is the clearest case of a parent’s claimed religious "beliefs" trumping a child’s right to an intact body that I have seen in 26 years of practicing law. It fairly screams out for justice, but justice costs, even when most of the legal help has so far been provided pro bono. (Those of you with an interest in reading how the US Supreme Court balances children’s bodily rights vs. a parent’s rights to the free practice of religion might considering reading Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 US Sup Ct 158: “Parents may be free to become martyrs themselves. But it does not follow they are free to make martyrs of their children.”)

PLEASE feel free to re-post this at websites and bulletin boards where concerned and sympathetic souls browse.

And please note that my bona fides, and that of the attorney in Oregon, Clay Patrick, are both verifiable at the Oregon and Washington state websites authenticating licensed attorneys. The progress of the case is easily verified at the Oregon Courts website, though as a family law



DXJNORTO. the way i see this is, their is NO different than what your trying or would like to see happen with the foreskin law you an a few others here would like to see past meaning,, to stop circumcision on adults an every male no matter if they want to be cut or not. you see nothing wrong with that kind of law... so i wonder if you would be so Egor to help out if it was the other way around. he wanted him to keep his foreskin an it was a Court case about that? instead of the way it is. when the courts start stepping in an controlling peoples lives over circumcision, an their religion as well. i think they have to much time on their hands an could be doing way better things with it. they also must think the same way to some extent here, other wise this case wouldn't have ruled against them twice already in the lower courts as you say. this is a case that would be so offensive to both sides here should a ruling be made against circumcision,. as their is more at stake here than just circumcision i think. and i would like to know where you get off calling parents who circumcie their boys, martyrs, your screwd up on this one D but that seems to be normal with you on this subject some times. you should run for some politicel office, your such a flip flopper..

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

Well, she does discuss it in this interview:
YouTube - TLC Tugger - 2005 Interview about Foreskin Restoration


Yeah, well I didn't edit that student film. We were discussing infant circumcision. Yes, it should be illegal to cut a well child's genitals.


Whatever. Just tell me substituting "circumcised clit lovers" wouldn't make for a quotation from someone we could all agree to hate.

-Ron

well at least you admit what i thought you said an what you think about it. so ill say it to your cridit like i did for the cut cock when i replied to the link posted by SARGON, your honest about it at least, you don't hide behind a bunch of BS. like some do on this site about circumcision. that counts some what in my book. even tho i don't agree with your wish here on this. :wink:

 

[darkbond007]

Sorry for quoting so much. It's no usually my way.

I never said you had a disorder. I wasn't talking to you for one thing. I said cutting HEALTHY NORMAL body parts is a sign of disorder and there is no arguing that fact. I said it because somebody said those opposed to circumcising were crazy.

I don't damn you if you're cut as a kid. I'd be glad to help you undo as much of the damage as possible.

I applaud your right to choose as an adult, but I'd wish to make sure you're trully informed about what you're doing (for example, not mislead by surveys like Bailey's conducted only a few months after the amputation), and I'd call your doctor negligent if he didn't advise a psych evaluation IF you were asking for HEALTHY NORMAL body parts to amputated.

Cheers,
-Ron

I dont know how m any times I have to tell people...

I had phimosis. Steroid didnt work at all, minor stretching didnt either because I had a phimotic ring.basically an entire ring of scar tissue producing a bottle neck. It doesnt matter if you are talking to me or not.You cant claim HIS Body HIS decision and then go back on that stating that people who actually want a circumcision are crazy. No they are not.

If someone gets a penis piercing are they not entitled to it?

Quite frankly I think someone who percieves to have lost something they never knew and still dont know about needs a psyche evaluation. Using your argument against you...If circumcision removes so much sensitive skin and all you are doing is stretching the remaining skin, then all of a sudden you gain sensitivity...what does that tell you?

MAGIC...all of sudden you grow nerves back that were "taken" away. The argument has so many holes and is such an irrational thought I cant see how rational people actually believe anything you guys say. You might as well say God created the TLCtugger and it is rightfully ordained to bring back the foreskin...