I got circumcised today

[B_dxjnorto]

My conclusion clearly states that there is no disadvantage in adult circumcision and you call me irrational?

Maybe because you had a medical problem. Circumcision removed an area of skin equivalent to your palm. Where else would you lose that much skin and say that there is no disadvantage?

If a guy says he doesn't like being circumcised, circumcising cultures say he is a whiner, a crybaby, emotionally disturbed. So why would anyone come forward knowing how their society will view their upset?

It's pretty obvious that the foreskin slides for a reason. A sexual reason.

 

[brianincny]

Why are you being instructed to retract at all, especially in the bath? The penis, like all of the body's orifices is largely self-maintaining.

This really caught my eye, djx. Are you kidding? Do you know anything about being uncut. Do you know anything about foreskins except what you have read on CIRP (in your case, it should probably be called SLURP)? You are doubling down on dumb.

Why retract at all? Because urine, and when you're mature semen, gets trapped under there and smell absolutely disgusting? So you won't pee all over the place? So you can wash the smegma off? So you can reduce the risk of penis cancer?

You are just absolutely wrong about retraction. There's this urban myth that later life circs and phimosis are caused by forcable retraction, but is there any evidence? NO. Most boys foreskins retract easily by school age and saying they shouldn't shows how ignorant you are. I hope very much that if we stop circumcising baby boys we won't tell them what you think. That is condeming them to a life of higher STD risk and foreskin problems which often begin as yeast or bacterial infections.

You are also completely misinformed about the types, causes and effectiveness of treatments for phimosis. So shut up about it, okay? According to my doc, the phimosis rates are the same world wide, in mostly circumcised counties and not. Maybe the foreskin is a vestige and its not evolving as fast as the penis.

I could go on. But I'm happy because..... (next post)

 

[brianincny]

Hey, so it works, great thank God. There was no jerking involved. I"m told the term is rub off. But anyway I was exploring my new toy, just exploring, and "it went off in my hand". And there's no damage almost 24 hrs. later. So, that's awesome. I really like the feeling so far. Without putting too much strain on the incision, just feeling the tightness of the skin now feels reel good. I don't know if this will make sense to anyone who hasn't done it, but "it all pulls together now." The first impression is (I hope this isn't too gross) that my penis has been turned inside out rather than something removed. Still a long way from giving it a full workout. My girlfriend of last year who is still a sometimes lover is interested in comparing, but I'm hoping to spring it on someone new. The longest I had gone without ejaculation since 12 probably, was 2-3 days so this was challenging:10-11 days.

 

[TheWB]

damn 10-11 days

good luck with the recovery dude

 

[matticus201]

Glad to hear everything is in working order. Enjoy!

 

[B_dxjnorto]

You are just absolutely wrong about retraction. There's this urban myth that later life circs and phimosis are caused by forcable retraction, but is there any evidence? NO. Most boys foreskins retract easily by school age and saying they shouldn't shows how ignorant you are. I hope very much that if we stop circumcising baby boys we won't tell them what you think. That is condeming them to a life of higher STD risk and foreskin problems which often begin as yeast or bacterial infections.

This is all part of the U.S. circumcising mythology. Yeast and bacteria are everywhere. Unless one's immune system is compromised, they present no special challenges. I give you credit for noting that microorganisms cause infections, not foreskins.

No one should retract a foreskin except the owner. You admitted you don't read much of what is posted. It may be difficult to get anything into your mind that challenges your cultural programing and foregone conclusions, but I can't read it for you. If you would like to learn something, here is a good link, which I posted earlier. It is written by Doctors Opposing Circumcision. (A conundrum in your world perhaps):

Only Clean What Is Seen

 

[darkbond007]

It's pretty obvious that the foreskin slides for a reason. A sexual reason.

It's not obvious. Guys like myself who are cut have sex and I enjoy it very much. I had a foreskin and didn't enjoy it as much. What do you say to me? Wallow in my own misfortune with an inadequate member????

It all comes down to the guy being happy. I was unhappy with my foreskin, some of you wish you had one, I can understand the choice issue and you feeling robbed but that is NOT the argument here or even the purpose of this thread. brianincny had a medical problem and decided to take ONE of the options to fix. An option that quite frankly a LOT of people have taken and have actually felt better about their penises. What's wrong in that?

 

[darkbond007]

This is all part of the U.S. circumcising mythology. Yeast and bacteria are everywhere. Unless one's immune system is compromised, they present no special challenges. I give you credit for noting that microorganisms cause infections, not foreskins.

No one should retract a foreskin except the owner. You admitted you don't read much of what is posted. It may be difficult to get anything into your mind that challenges your cultural programing and foregone conclusions, but I can't read it for you. If you would like to learn something, here is a good link, which I posted earlier. It is written by Doctors Opposing Circumcision. (A conundrum in your world perhaps):

Only Clean What Is Seen

I think you guys are saying something similar in your last responses. Youre stating that the owner should retract his foreskin, I think all can agree on that.

It just seemed like your argument was that guys with foreskins should never retract their foreskin, which I would hope you agree is wrong. When I was about 9 or 10 I retracted my foreskin for the first time in the bath, I didnt even know how it looked underneath. It hurt like a bitch but I hadnt hit puberty yet. Once I got through puberty thats when the problems started.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

You don't know my mother because though it was my Dad's decision not to circumcise his boys, she got with it. I remember her telling my bro to see if he could pull it back in the bathtub and he could so could I around 5 and nothing was forced. We both had retracting foreskins as kids and messed up ones after puberty.

I was responding to this post from the OP. Why would both he and his brother have the same difficulty? I gave a class presentation on circumcision and a gal from California said that all three of her intact sons "had to be" circumcised in adolescence.... What could be going on? We've all heard these "had to be" stories. Why?

Foreskin-must-retract-in-childhood is dead wrong. Pediatric phimosis is completely normal. Look it up. Two things that you don't want inside a child's foreskin; soaps (which kill benevolent bacteria) and bacteria that are not normally present. We only wash the outside of a girl child's vagina. The same with the boy child. The same with our eyes. When the child gets older he can rinse the foreskin with warm water.

I'm from the Caribbean where there is no such thing as RIC

An option that quite frankly a LOT of people have taken and have actually felt better about their penises. What's wrong in that?

Saying a LOT of people. Adult circumcision is very uncommon. In the U.S. the statistic I have heard is one in 500. In Finland where no one is cut at birth, the statistic is something like one in 16,667. What you have experienced is very rare, especially because where you are from there is probably also no such thing as early retraction by caregivers.

 

[darkbond007]

I was responding to this post from the OP. Why would both he and his brother have the same difficulty? I gave a class presentation on circumcision and a gal from California said that all three of her intact sons "had to be" circumcised in adolescence.... What could be going on? We've all heard these "had to be" stories. Why?

Foreskin-must-retract-in-childhood is dead wrong. Pediatric phimosis is completely normal. Look it up. Two things that you don't want inside a child's foreskin; soaps (which kill benevolent bacteria) and bacteria that are not normally present. We only wash the outside of a girl child's vagina. The same with the boy child. The same with our eyes. When the child gets older he can rinse the foreskin with warm water.

It's not phimosis in childhood. The skin actually adheres to the penis during childhood.

Saying a LOT of people. Adult circumcision is very uncommon. In the U.S. the statistic I have heard is one in 500. In Finland where no one is cut at birth, the statistic is something like one in 16,667. What you have experienced is very rare, especially because where you are from there is probably also no such thing as early retraction by caregivers.

Did you really just makeup a number for the US and then throw in an arbitrary number from another country just for kicks? Just from these boards alone there seems to be quite a number of people who were cut as adults. Help me understand something...I know you guys are against RIC, and you scream his body his choice all around this place...but if a guy does choose does he not have the right to? It almost sounds like you guys want to get rid of circumcision all together and frankly that's an argument you cannot adequately support with the information and statistics that is out there.

 

[darkbond007]

Also let me clear a point up, I am from the Bahamas, we dont have an epidemic here in regards to RIC but we do have parents that ask for their sons to be cut. Pediatricians and doctors here take an on the fence approach with it. If the parents dont ask it wont be done. If the baby is premature it will be heavily argued against doing it, however people do get it done and our population rate is around 15-20% cut.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

but if a guy does choose does he not have the right to?

Sure. You are trying to make it sound like it is common though. The overwhelming majority of men live and die with their foreskins, if they are allowed to have them in the first place. The foreskin presents no more difficulty than any other body part. I am trying mightily to dispel foreskin superstitions, such as those put forth throughout the thread, but most recently in post #162. This is why the choice to be cut in adulthood is often a misinformed choice. Intact boys and men in the U.S. succumb to superstition, shame, cajoling, and coercion more often than for foreskin problems. I know a few myself who had healthy foreskins amputated for nothing other than to fit in. Why else would anyone with a trouble free penis want part of it cut off? There is a vocal minority of cut-as-adults, but circumcision of adults has never been common, especially in societies where RIC is not common. That's why I provided the comparison. You can check the numbers yourself with google. Adult circs exclusive of true phimosis, severe injury and BXO are most likely fetish related. What else would they be?

 

[deleted15807]

It's not phimosis in childhood. The skin actually adheres to the penis during childhood.



Did you really just makeup a number for the US and then throw in an arbitrary number from another country just for kicks? Just from these boards alone there seems to be quite a number of people who were cut as adults. Help me understand something...I know you guys are against RIC, and you scream his body his choice all around this place...but if a guy does choose does he not have the right to? It almost sounds like you guys want to get rid of circumcision all together and frankly that's an argument you cannot adequately support with the information and statistics that is out there.

Now you get it!! It's a two pronged attack.

A. ) Stop RIC
B. ) Stop adult circumcision

The fact that they play both sides betrays the entire cause altogether. It highlights the fact that it is a fetish. Pure and simple. Just connect the dots. It's one big sham.

 

[darkbond007]

Sure. You are trying to make it sound like it is common though. The overwhelming majority of men live and die with their foreskins, if they are allowed to have them in the first place. The foreskin presents no more difficulty than any other body part. I am trying mightily to dispel foreskin superstitions, such as those put forth throughout the thread, but most recently in post #162. This is why the choice to be cut in adulthood is often a misinformed choice. Intact boys and men in the U.S. succumb to superstition, shame, cajoling, and coercion more often than for foreskin problems. I know a few myself who had healthy foreskins amputated for nothing other than to fit in. Why else would anyone with a trouble free penis want part of it cut off? There is a vocal minority of cut-as-adults, but circumcision of adults has never been common, especially in societies where RIC is not common. That's why I provided the comparison. You can check the numbers yourself with google. Adult circs exclusive of true phimosis, severe injury and BXO are most likely fetish related. What else would they be?

IT IS NOT THE POINT OF IT BEING COMMON OR NOT...IT EXISTS!

If a problem exists it is incumbent on the owner to actually seek solutions. Circumcision is one viable solution. Yes you heard correctly. Circumcision is a viable solution to phimosis when it pertains to adults. It is not misinformed or any of the euphemisms you want to tag on to it.

When you are diagnosed with a problem you look for solutions and you weigh your options. It is a person's CHOICE. How can you fight for someone to have a choice and then when they do make a choice you say they made it from being misinformed. You are NOT fighting for choice you are fighting for abolishment and thats an argument you cant win...

Fact of the matter is...do you have a foreskin? Have you ever had one? You dont know (and it doesnt seem like you care) what men had to go through with their foreskins.

You keep saying its a small amount blah blah blah...if there are 3 billion men in the world....and it 1% even just ONE PERCENT have phimosis that is MORE than enough to warrant solutions. Now I know youre going to come back "But Darkbond there are other solutions"...Sure there are...and I'm sure in their own individual situations some solutions will work better than others. Circumcision is what worked for me...stretching worked for someone else....but what it all boils down to...is that we had that CHOICE.

Now hopefully you address my entire argument next time instead of picking a line twisting it and attempting to sound rational with an answer.

 

[darkbond007]

Now you get it!! It's a two pronged attack.

A. ) Stop RIC
B. ) Stop adult circumcision

The fact that they play both sides betrays the entire cause altogether. It highlights the fact that it is a fetish. Pure and simple. Just connect the dots. It's one big sham.

You know...

I was sitting at my desk today at work thinking of this argument and saying this to myself. It does sound very fetishistic. What's even funnier is they are arguing with someone who has had sex, wanked off, pissed, had wet dreams, gotten blowjobs with a foreskin AND without one and can say from FIRST HAND experience..."MY PENIS IS STILL A FULLY SEXUALLY FUNCTIONAL PENIS!"

How can you argue against that? I don't understand.

 

[deleted15807]

You know...

I was sitting at my desk today at work thinking of this argument and saying this to myself. It does sound very fetishistic. What's even funnier is they are arguing with someone who has had sex, wanked off, pissed, had wet dreams, gotten blowjobs with a foreskin AND without one and can say from FIRST HAND experience..."MY PENIS IS STILL A FULLY SEXUALLY FUNCTIONAL PENIS!"

How can you argue against that? I don't understand.

BINGO again. In a simply breathtaking leap of audacity they simply choose not to effectively and convincingly answer the question why males who have experience both do not feel 'amputated' and feel as though their sexual fulfillment has been stolen. Instead they export their feelings of inadequacy on gullible circumcised males at birth and tell them 'You don't know what you're missing. You don't know what has been stolen from you'. If they really believed in 'science' as they proport they would address this group. You can't simply ignore inconvenient data. Your conclusion is incomplete and flawed without it.

 

[TLCTugger]

from FIRST HAND experience..."MY PENIS IS STILL A FULLY SEXUALLY FUNCTIONAL PENIS!"

How can you argue against that?

I'm delighted for anyone who is able to make an adult choice.

It is utterly irrational to say that nerve-laden tissue was removed without reducing sensations. It's a matter of credibility. I have none because I'm selling something. Some guy who chose to be cut has none because he's rationalizing about his loss. Whatever.

You can't say you still have a fully functioning penis. If nothing changed, then why did you get cut? SOMETHING is different. Since something was taken away, and nothing added, I say sex was diminished. If you happen to like the way it was diminished, I'm thrilled for you.

If the part that was removed was malfunctioning, then I'm doubly thrilled for you that it could be removed without you perceiving a loss.

But I have to speak up when people act like choosing to amputate a body part is normal. The number for intact adults choosing to get cut is 1 in 500. (The one in 16 thousand number for Finland is the number found to ever actually need a circ for medical reasons. There's a comparable published study for Sweden).

95% of the non-Muslim world does not circumcise. Intact is normal. The reason it matters here is that this forum is read by some guys in circumcising cultures, and I'd like to think they won't fall prey to some misguided notion that their intact genitals are abnormal.

Some guys like to wear sunglasses so they can stare at the beautiful painted desert for a long time. I like to take my glasses off and see the richness of the colors. Is either approach wrong? Of course not. Deciding for someone else that they must always wear shades would be wrong, I think we all agree.

-Ron

 

[B_Bonky]

Some guys like to wear sunglasses so they can stare at the beautiful painted desert for a long time. I like to take my glasses off and see the richness of the colors. Is either approach wrong? Of course not. Deciding for someone else that they must always wear shades would be wrong, I think we all agree.

Unless it's a societal custom to wear shades, shades decrease your chances of contracting certain STDs and cancer, they weigh nothing, and there's really very little difference in what you see with them on.

Like I said with all seriousness, I've heard more guys complain about getting stuck with outie belly buttons than with circumcized dicks. I am thrilled that my folks did it when I was a baby, because I didn't have to go through my adolescence with a yucky foreskin and do it as a man, with all the attendant pain and expense that goes with it.

I'm not sure of a health plan (in the US at least) that covers adult circumcision. I think it would usually be treated as "cosmetic" if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong though.

I think of circumcision, culturally, at least in the US in non-ethnic areas, in the same way that an 18 year old once said about guys wearing beards vs. going clean-shaven. She said "You can't go wrong with clean-shaven." IE., the clean-shaven look is always ok, beards can be hit or miss. Have to say the same for uncirc. vs circ. In the US in white areas, from a aesthetic standpoint, you can't go wrong with it (circ).

 

[michaang]

I find it sad that you guys are arguing over circumcision and foreskin. You either have foreskin or you don't, you either like it or you don't, and you may need it removed or not due to possible medical complications. The end.

There, I just summed up dozens of posts of arguing. Can we hold hands and get along now? Seriously. This thread is about a guy that got circumcised, not an argument about whether or not circumcision is wrong, or the statistics behind sensitivity, usefulness, being politically correct, etc.

 

[Ed69]

^^^For an adult it's just another body mod.Like my tatoos,it dries the skin out but thats my choice.As it will be my choice if I get a prince albert piercing It's the way I want it not the way you think it should be!

In the end do what works for you!