I got this mailed to me from all places the local Democratic office.

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  1. ripsrips

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    I don't think they were supposed to send it to me, it has some notes and underlined sentences. It was in a bunch of Socialism propaganda that they sent to me since I WAS a registered dem up until early March asking me to come back. but that's (when a light shined down from above and told me...)
    Anyways, I got smart and stopped believing a LIE.

    Barack Obama explains Socialism


    Four thousand supporters turned out for a rally with Senator Barack Obama in Durham, North Carolina, on Thursday. The Democratic presidential candidate said he would not take any questions, but he relented when a five-year-old girl named Hadassah Jones broke into tears. She was there as a correspondent for brandnewz.com.

    According to the Associated Press Story Senator Obama gave the little girl a brief explanation of his plan for universal health insurance coverage and improved education. Then he explained his view that the wealthy should pay the expenses of people who are not wealthy:

    "We've got to make sure that people who have more money help the people who have less money," Sen. Obama said. "If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, would you give him a slice?"

    Oh, my. He should have stuck to his plan to take no questions.

    Senator Obama glossed right over the difference between a moral imperative to be kind to people and government force that throws people in jail if they refuse to pay up.

    When a presidential candidate says "We've got to make sure," that is the language of government force.

    Maybe the senator should have explained it to Hadassah this way:

    "If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, should you be expelled from school if you refuse to give him a slice?"

    Or maybe he should have explained it this way:

    "If your mommy and daddy worked very hard at their jobs and went to school at night so they could make enough money to give you everything you need, should they have to give that money to all the parents who dropped out of school and wasted their time, and to all the parents who spent their money on things that your parents passed up so they could support you?"

    Or maybe he could have explained it this way:

    "If you build a lemonade stand and buy lemons and sugar and pitchers and cups and stand out in the hot sun all day selling lemonade, and at the end of the day you have fifteen dollars, whose money is that? Is the answer the same if it's only two dollars? What if it's fifty dollars?"

    This is not an argument over giving away a slice of pizza. This is an argument about the morality of collectivism. When Senator Obama, and almost all other politicians, make their arguments for fairness and compassion, they are advocating not voluntary charitable giving, but government confiscation of some people's property for the benefit of other people, chosen by the government on the basis of need, or perhaps voting record.

    Do the fruits of your labor belong to you, or do they belong to the people who most need them?

    And if they belong to the people who most need them, are you a slave to the needs of people you don't know and can't control?

    Collectivism is not the opposite of capitalism. It's the opposite of freedom.

    Even a five-year-old should know that.



    What's this called:
    SOCIALISM


     
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    Great post!!! :usa2: :usa:
     
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    i second this motion....VOTE REPUBLICAN...
     
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    I don't understand what was mailed to you.

    The text of that post? Bollocks was it!
     
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    Ya, you should see my spam box...full of misguided spin...
     
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    QFT!

    I guess you CRINGED too last night when he called making alot of money "UNFAIR" That is beyond pandering to the poor, stupid, and jealous.
     
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    Hmmm. . . maybe the person who "sent" you that post should rethink the idea of socialism. When the President of the USA shrieks that the sky is falling and the country needs to borrow 700 billion dollars to bail out the failings of more than 20 years of government deregulation and give 700 billion to investment banks and insurance companies, THAT IS ALSO SOCIALISM.

    The little girl selling lemonade in the hot sun all day just to earn 15 bucks is not above the law. She is required to pay income tax on her investment once she makes above the personal income tax deduction. The money to support universal health care would come from ALL our taxes. But somehow it's better to be held up by the current administration and have absolutely no say in giving 700 billion dollars to Wall Street?

    I've decided, even though I'm not registered with any political party, that the Republicans have a defective Republican Manufacturing Plant that turns out stupid, uneducated jingoists who are especially bad at math. They are easily controlled by pushing buttons labeled "guns," "red, white and blue," "liberals are evil," "Jesus," and "Palin, I'd nail her!" We just need to find that manufacturing plant and set the slaves working there free!

    As for pizza. Obama should most likely have used Top Ramen as a food metaphor. I understand folks cannot afford pizza these days in the good olde U S of A.
     
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    Spoken like a true socialist being required to pay taxes. Our forefathers never intended for the people to pay a federal tax. BTW I don't think all liberals are evil. Just how somethings turn out from both parties. Plus when you believe in a bigger government it slowly leads to socialism.
     
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    Third! :cool:
     
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    Your parents and/or grandparents availing themselves of Medicare are not benefiting from Socialism?

    When you begin to take advantage of Medicare at 65 you won't be benefiting from Socialism?

    The millions of dollars matched by the government to help keep public hospitals from drowning in debt to cover the uninsured (not to mention the federal funds authorized to underwrite the care of pre-term babies) isn't Socialism?

    Socialism is found just about everywhere in the USA, but somehow it's inherently bad? One can't be a Socialist AND a Capitalist? Bull shit! They are not mutually exclusive concepts. And you'd better get used to the idea of even more socialism being part of 'Mericuh's government in the 21st Century. If you're lucky, maybe the USA will finally catch up to the enjoy the same "Socialist" benefits as Western Europe. You remember Western Europe don't you? All those post WWII countries (including West Berlin) that the USA bailed out and helped rebuild from the post war dark ages with foreign aid -- decade after decade in the 20th Century?

    You remind me of my older brother who attended some wacko meetings in the western states where he was told he had no constitutional obligation to pay taxes. Sadly, he quit paying taxes. Once the Internal Revenue Service caught up with him I only felt great pity for him. But under no circumstances was I willing to bail him out of financial trouble for being so stupid. The fact that the Constitution did not originally include any obligation for citizens of the USA to pay taxes is moot. Get over it.

    However, if paying taxes is too much for you I encourage you to go ahead and not pay them -- whether you believe you have no constitutional obligation to do so or not. I love reading about those lower-income types who try and get away with not paying income tax as if they were Leona Hemsley. Even she ended up spending 10 or so years in a Federal prison for tax evasion. Maybe you can get away with staying under the IRS radar if you move to Southern Ewetaw, Northern Arizona, or Eastern Nevada. There are plenty of anti-socialists in those areas hiding from the government at this very moment.

    I pay a bunch o' bucks in income tax each year. I'd certainly feel warmer and fuzzier if I knew my tax money was going to improve public education, help everyone afford health care (a basic human right in modern countries, but a privilege in the USA), kept the physical infrastructure of roads, bridges, and public works safe and up-to-date, and helped the disenfranchised get one or two legs up on the rungs to independence, but then 'Mericuh isn't for dreamers. But if it were possible for those things to improve the human condition of all 'Mericuhns, I'd be happy to pay MORE taxes.

    As it is, I'm very unhappy to find all 'Mericuhns burdened with what will obviously be more than 700 Billion dollars of Capitalist Welfare. I thought Capitalists lived and died by the Capitalist sword, but obviously not. The eventual debt we end up paying will most likely exceed a trillion US Dollars. But hey, take heart. Currently the All Mighty US Dollar isn't worth much in the world markets. And there are actually some european countries where the impact of John McCain's "'Mericuh's financial situation is sound," fantasy won't have that great an impact as the majority of previously middle-class citizens of the USA find out they don't have enough money to buy shoes for for their kids in another couple of years. And it won't matter who is president.

    As for "bigger" government, sorry, but 700 Billion+ bail out Dollars sounds like real big government to me. So far I fail to see what I'm going to get out of that bail out. I understand how it happened, and it wasn't poor people unable to afford health coverage that caused it.

    And as for being a liberal? The current 'Mericuhn definition of a Conservative can't tell a liberal from a libertarian (and in some seriously tragic cases, a librarian). At least, in my experience, there are few Republicans who can face the reality that the GOP has been wrong on more issues than it has been correct (notice, I didn't use the word "right"). There are a few out there. We even get to hear them admit the failings of the last 7+ years with tears welling up in their eyes as they discuss 'Mericuh on televised chat salons outside the USA.
     
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    Midlifebear your interpreting my last post all wrong. I guess I should clarify myself better. I said our fore-fathers didn't intend for the US citizens to pay a federal income tax. True yes or no? I'm not saying not to paying taxes. And I did say both parties make mistakes. The thing I'm wary of is when government gets to big such as ours has you can't get things done, or done right. look what we have right now. First the powers that be wanted 700 Trillion what we end up with 850 trillion WTF? 150 trillion more and for what? Special earmarks. Where is this money coming from? Sure the hell isn't money we have. We're BROKE. In more ways than one also. We're head for a socialistic-dictatorship plain and simple. Or a world war. Don't fool yourself. We have to boost the worlds faith in US. Re-read my Thread on how to fix our economy. I don't have all the right answers but I do think all my answers make the most sense right now. There are other good ideas there also. Untill we pay down some of our debt we can't and shouldn't even think any special earmarks ETC... WE NEED TO BOOST OUR ECONOMY WHAT EVER IT TAKES!!! short of war. Yes that means getting out of Iraq with some sort of compromise and future safety for the US. Enough said for now. :usaribbon:
     
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    First of all, he got no such thing in the mail. Bullshit. If he got it I would've. Second, if he did it would not have been captioned "Barack Obama Explains Socialism".

    Notice he's edited his original post but not before the next poster quoted it in his post. The op has taken out the link. When you click on the link in the quoted part you get a document error page from myway.com.

    THEN, he goes on to interpret a widely held democratic principle (the idea of caring for those less fortunate) as socialism, suggesting that any government program that benefits people who, according to his characterizations, are nothing but lazy do nothing bums waiting for a handout, is collectivism.

    Then when Midlifebear quite correctly points out that a 700 BILLION DOLLAR bailout to failing companies that allows fat-cat ceo's to still make off with a 15 MILLION dollar payoff may ALSO be socialism the next rank-n-file babble-speak conservative attacks HIM by calling him a socialist.

    Do you people actually BELIEVE the shit you spew, or do you just expect everyone else to?
     
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    Your Wrong once again...Since your a mind reader like others here and try to tell us what Barry really meant you should know that you are Wrong!
    I was trying to link another Barry and his Socialist Ideas to my post and it didn't work.
    Look up the AP story for yourself.
    The only shit I see is in your posts. :wave:
     
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    It's billion...not trillion...
     
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    "Dear Penthouse Forum..."

    Well, gawrsh, if you're so desperate as to slam a person for things that they "could have" said but didn't, then I hope you'll remember not to vote for John McCain who could have said he was responsible for 9/11, could have said that he wanted so much to operate one of Hitler's gas chambers, but he was too young at the time, and could have said that when he sang "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" he really meant Texas.

    Y'know, the more I read desperate attacks like this, the more gleeful I become that the right-wing has cause for desperation.
     
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    LOOK UP THE AP STORY FOR YOURSELF.

    The only thing desperate is you read Penthouse Fourm.
     
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    So, um, how can I 'read this for myself' if it was something that you were accidentally snail-mailed with underlines and notes all over it?
     
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    First of all, I don't know any "Barry".

    Secondly, the idea of helping people in need is not a "socialist" doctrine, and as I and others have pointed out, it is quite liberally applied to the affluent and wealthy when their shit hits the fan, something that curiously you don't seem to mind.

    BTW:

    "Your" is a possessive pronoun, as in "Your ass."

    What you meant to use is the contraction "you're", as in "You're an ass."
     
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    Let me help. Its your idol.

    Please qualify, "people in need." We are all in need of something. Is it you, Barry, Nancy Pelosi -or who is qualified to establish the "needy" and who is qualified to mandate who provides for the "needy?"

    Phew. Thanks for pointing that out. I was so confused.
     
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    The people? Isn't that the kind of stuff we elect officials for? To do what we want in the government? (Not saying it works so smoothly)
     
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