I HATE gay pride !!!

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I was simply defending his right to full free expression. Nothing more.

You're full of shit tbh, you've just done saying you think people should be free to express views in as vicious a tone as they like and then accuse others of being insecure when they respond in unequivocal terms.

Make up your mind, either people are free to express their views or they aren't, your own statements don't allow that only those whom you agree with should be given that latitude.

I imagine though that because I've pointed out the hypocrisy of your pronouncements I must be attempting to censor you. I invite you to look back through this thread and find actual examples of anyone, me included, telling Thaidude that he cannot express his opinions.
 
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can you guys please stop telling me that i should join the parade or stuff like that?

I TOLD YOU THAT I DON'T LIKE THIS SHIT !!!

You can critizise me and my opinion ... I am used to it.
I know this always happens when gay people feel their ideal gay world being criticized. it's always something like "ooooh, somebody is criticizing my ideal, perfect world ... let's attack him" ...

instead of attacking, you better should think about my world ... as Rikter8 said "... but I really think if people used more professionalism, they would take the GLBT community more seriously, and more progress could be made." i totally agree. but those people whose homosexuality is the most important thing in their life will never understand that!

of course, those who love walking (half)naked around the city would never understand that this is not the way how to get same rights as heterosexuals ...

in this thread it is very very easy to find out who loves the gay pride ... because usually those people don't think about other people's words ... they just start their attacks when feeling their gay world is being criticized ...

You aren't the only gay guy who feels that way. Many of us have no affinity to urban gay male "culture". It's all rather alienating and it doesn't appeal to me nor to my partner.

I was attacked as a heretic being a gay guy who didn't subscribe or take great pride in the "gay culture". So I know where you're coming from.

http://www.lpsg.org/51264-gays-who-hate-gay-culture.html
 

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It was apropos of your authoritarian and controlling attitude. This is not the first time I've seen you make reference to the "ToS". You like restriction and control, don't you? Does your position as moderator make you feel powerful? Admit it, you're a control freak.

To what end? His right to full free expression, within the restrictions placed upon all expression by the site's ToS, was not in question.

Your post then was apropos of nothing.
 
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ThaiDude. . . .

As a gay man I do understand, and, in a way support, some of the negative opinions expressed about "pride" events. For some time I lived in the Coachella Valley in California. (Palm Springs)

In the beginning I enjoyed them, but over time the meaning was lost. It ceased to be about pride, it instead became an excuse for a party with a few pride events thrown in instead of a pride event with a few celebrations thrown in.

Real "pride" and realizing the price that has been paid by many for what few rights we now have is foreign to a very high percentage of the younger gay individuals. An extremely high percentage of these of these individuals are not registered voters and don't even care.

There are many young gay men and some women who do not know about Stonewall or the death of Harvey Milk and the resulting riots and why people did what they did. They don't understand the suffering and death of so many. I personally attended over 50 funerals of friends, relatives, and those with which I had business relationships.

Today we have "bug-chasers", we have rampant barebacking in a time when we have enough knowledge to have eradicated this plague at least in our own community. On that point you are right, it is shameful.

I am now getting too old to be the "activist" and it takes younger people who are willing to stand up and fight even against their own people when bad decisions are made that compromise the integrity of the gay community and gay rights on a worldwide level.

Pride celebrations, gay rodeo, and many other public celebrations are now hollow shells of what they were and this took place because of pressure from commercial interests. They may hate us, but they absolutely worship our money. Anhauser-Busch Breweries is but one of many examples.

I did my part for "pride" and the community for over twenty years, and, I know many others on this board have done the same. While I understand your feelings completely and do respect them, my problem with your statements are that your complaints do or did not detail your own service and what you as an individual have tried to do to make positive change. If you try to make positive change and fail because the "party animals" want to make a mess you have every right to complain. If you have never been on a committee, never worked pride events in any capacity, never contributed anything towards why change is needed, then your words are sadly empty and hollow.

You yourself need to make an effort to create change within the community for the better by your efforts. You may be the one guy able to make people listen to the opinions you have expressed, and, if you express a need for change, you, need to be ready first to take some heat for doing so, (party animals are an irresponsible minority within all gay communities) AND, more importantly you need to be ready to express workable change and ideas/ideals in which your own community can in fact make good change and take real pride.
 

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It was apropos of your authoritarian and controlling attitude. This is not the first time I've seen you make reference to the "ToS". You like restriction and control, don't you? Does your position as moderator make you feel powerful? Admit it, you're a control freak.


:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1: you've unmasked me! I'm a fascist-commie-evil-modnazi from hell and I'm drunk with power and I'm coming for you and I hate America :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:


You're funny. :tongue:
 

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You aren't the only gay guy who feels that way. Many of us have no affinity to urban gay male "culture". It's all rather alienating and it doesn't appeal to me nor to my partner.

I was attacked as a heretic being a gay guy who didn't subscribe or take great pride in the "gay culture". So I know where you're coming from.

http://www.lpsg.org/51264-gays-who-hate-gay-culture.html

It's the urban male gay culture that has given you the opportunity to sit back and criticize them with your partner without being arrested for violating anti sodomy laws
 

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No, but seriously, it was the drag queens and transvestities who first rioted at Stonewall. The "masculine" "normal" gays were the ones sitting back and watching enviously, imploring the queens to not make too much trouble. My voice is about the only fem thing about me. I'm pretty stereotypically masculine- but everybody has the right to be who they want to be. I know what Pride is for, and I don't mind most of the outrageousness- but to put yourself on a pedestal and make yourself out to be "normal" is ridiculous. Plenty of straight people do sexually outrageous things in public, but don't have to justify themselves. I couldn't care less what mainstream society thinks of the gheys. Being stereotypically masculine sounding and looking is NOT going to protect you from their bigotry. Being "normal" would not help the fight at all.
 

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:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1: you've unmasked me! I'm a fascist-commie-evil-modnazi from hell and I'm drunk with power and I'm coming for you and I hate America :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:


You're funny. :tongue:

*dictator groupie swoon*

eagerly awaiting the first viewing of your uniforms.
 
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I guess a pseudo-intellectual like you wouldn't know not to self-describe as both a "fascist" and a "commie", all of your condescending sarcasm aside.

Interesting that you would add out of nowhere that you hate America, even in jest. As had been said, "Many a truth..."

I'll lay off now, as you weren't able to offer any real self-defense in your last post.

:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1: you've unmasked me! I'm a fascist-commie-evil-modnazi from hell and I'm drunk with power and I'm coming for you and I hate America :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:


You're funny. :tongue:
 

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I guess a pseudo-intellectual like you wouldn't know not to self-describe as both a "fascist" and a "commie", all of your condescending sarcasm aside.

Interesting that you would add out of nowhere that you hate America, even in jest. As had been said, "Many a truth..."

I'll lay off now, as you weren't able to offer any real self-defense in your last post.



It's a common enough reference (you clearly didn't get) to ignorant types who don't know the difference between fascism and socialism but think both are synonyms for pure evil when only one actually is, but feel free to condescend to me anyway, it just makes you look sillier. :biggrin1:

The I hate America part (again a reference that clearly went over your head) is one of those things people who hate freedom (which was kinda where you were going before) get accused of...

Defence? Again, you're funny :tongue:
 
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:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1: you've unmasked me! I'm a fascist-commie-evil-modnazi from hell and I'm drunk with power and I'm coming for you and I hate America :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:


You're funny. :tongue:

That's why I love you, darling: that and your fa-abulous fashion know-how. Between the two of us and a $500,000 "clothing allowance", we could have our own reality series on E!

It's the urban male gay culture that has given you the opportunity to sit back and criticize them with your partner without being arrested for violating anti sodomy laws

You know, TC, there are times when I genuinely love you: this is one.

All this talk about loathing the "urban gay male culture" makes me want to fucking vomit. I came out in high school in 1977, and moved in with my BF straight from HS into downtown Boston one year later. At that point one had two options: stay in the closet or move downtown and be the gayest you could. If there were any "third alternative" it certainly never met my life's path.

Back in 1978, Disco was at its peak, everyone had sex everywhere (the men's bathroom at the Boston Public Library was an infamous tea-room) and everyone felt so very fucking free. Except...

I was repeatedly denied apartments and jobs (no feather boas or solid-silver platform shoes, just lil me) and told outright it was because I was a homosexual. That was when I learned to rent from gay landlords and work for gay business-owners. At that point, what's now the uber-trendy South End was 3/4 boarded-up abandoned buildings, with the balance either occupied by African Americans or The Gehys. I know, because that's where my first apartments were.

We homesteaded blighted urban areas and, with waves of our wands, loads of pixie dust and fucking hard work transformed an area that, as late as the early 90s, still didn't have a bank branch office. It was thrilling, quite dangerous and the only place I felt at home.

When I lived in Manhattan, I always said that I could only start breathing again below 14th Street; not that there weren't pockets of gay living on the Upper West Side, but they were all so...Will Truman-esque. And I simply wasn't. We won't discuss the Upper East Side.

It wasn't until I lived in Paris in the early-mid 90s that I learned that one needn't live in a gay ghetto to enjoy The Better Life. But nothing compares to Paris, never will and never could.

Fact remains that the only time I've lived outside of the "gay urban" bubble, I felt like a cross between a museum oddity and a zoo creature. I did four years in North Haven, CT in a house on an acre and 1/2 of land, two vehicles, a husband and a dog. I was bored senseless and entirely out of my element. I didn't encounter any hostility, just a lot of odd glances and off-putting stares, especially in supermarkets. After a while, I learned that we'd best do shopping in turn to avoid attracting attention. An anniversary dinner (involving no PDA whatsoever) at an otherwise lovely oceanside suburban restaurant taught us to only eat out together in downtown New Haven, and even then <sigh>

So now I'm here, sitting at my computer in my perfectly fine one-bedroom apartment in the middle of one of the country's most burgeoning gay ghettos, long-shorn of house, husband and dog, steps from the main drag/epicenter of gay SoFla, complete with gay landlord, gay employer (I work in a gay bar), gay barber (who makes insanely convenient housecalls) and shop at a supermarket which is staffed fully 40% by gayfolk and patronized 85% so.

I participated in this year's parade, though more demurely than in years past. I wore very low-rise jeans, boots an armband and a harness (last year I wore black leather hotpants with a built-in codpiece which, truth be told, is a trifle snug where it shouldn't be), carrying the Leather Pride flag of black and blue.

It's hardly the first time I've participated. I was so taken by the excitement of what was, at that time, a demonstration, I was among the marchers in '78, '79 and '80. I watched the people march with pride (though I was working and couldn't attend) for the next few years, but from '84-'90 was always there, more than once with ACT-UP. I marched with the sober group (in support of my sister) in '92, '94 and '95. After that, my then-husband and I watched and cheered from the sidewalks from the parades in Boston, Montreal and (twice) Toronto. We chose our honeymoon to coincide with Europride which, that year, was in Paris.

Some say Pride got too commercial and went from demonstration to "event": I'll ask when you realized this. I remember Pride in Boston in '89, standing at an "official" event which was sponsored by Coors and featured Donna Summer's "new" Rick Astley-produced album on heavy rotation and asked my friend when we faggots lost our memories :rolleyes:
 

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I guess a pseudo-intellectual like you wouldn't know not to self-describe as both a "fascist" and a "commie", all of your condescending sarcasm aside.

Interesting that you would add out of nowhere that you hate America, even in jest. As had been said, "Many a truth..."

I'll lay off now, as you weren't able to offer any real self-defense in your last post.

Though he needs no back-up from me, and I don't have any special credibility in your eyes anyway, I will say that my Good Friend Hilly could not possibly "hate America" any more than you could "hate Ireland". The concept is foolish rubbish: you're better than that and should stop it, if only for your own good (it won't effect mine, nor Hilly's a bit).

Just in case anyone thinks that I'm a Mod suck-up: please! Study my post history: I'm one of the most outspoken and virulent critics of how LPSG is moderated amongst the membership. I've seen one fine website crash and burn due to ego-moderation; I shall not stand for another.
 

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Contrary to what he believes, I did see what he was doing (i.e. resorting to sarcasm because he had no other defense), but I still thought it odd that he would add in a statement about hating America, since there was no real context for it. Not that I would mind if he did. Lot's of people hate America, and I myself am often openly quite critical of the caliber of its electorate as a whole. But it's really conservatives that I "hate".

Though he needs no back-up from me, and I don't have any special credibility in your eyes anyway, I will say that my Good Friend Hilly could not possibly "hate America" any more than you could "hate Ireland". The concept is foolish rubbish: you're better than that and should stop it, if only for your own good (it won't effect mine, nor Hilly's a bit).
 
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It's probably because I've never given much credence to those who say that someone's motive for hating America, Islamist terrorists, for instance, is that "they hate our freedom". That's the kind of nonsense that would've come out of the mouth of George W. Bush. I detested GWB.

The I hate America part (again a reference that clearly went over your head) is one of those things people who hate freedom (which was kind where you were going before) get accused of...

Defence? Again, you're funny :tongue:
 

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It's the urban male gay culture that has given you the opportunity to sit back and criticize them with your partner without being arrested for violating anti sodomy laws

Yes, I realize I owe a lot of my freedom as a gay man to all who were brave enough to stand up for our rights and pave the way to be accepted.

I have supported gay causes like the Trevor Project, Project Open Hand and am proud to be an out of the closet and honest gay man yet I still feel little or no affinity to the urban gay culture that revolves around sex. I don't feel gay liberation movement and gay urban culture are expressly linked because I participate in gay liberation yet not in the gay urban culture.
 
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