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Originally posted by madame_zora@Jan 10 2005, 12:33 AM
To get somewhat deep here, love takes time. There is no way on earth I will ever believe in love at first sight. I think true love takes in the very least several months, if not a year. You can be very fond of someone, even become attatched to them, but to actually love them REQUIRES that you know them fully, and that takes time. Many factors go into choosing a suitable mate, compatibility, sexuality, mutual interests, appearance, common types of life goals, religious compatibility- all these things are good to consider when choosing a potential life partner. You'll forgive me if I get annoyed as hell at people who date twice and claim to be in love!!!

If Hungthick prefers larger men, well that's just how it is. Some men perfer blondes, so I'm just not their taste, big fucking deal. I also get anoyed at people trying to view dating as being so pc we are not allowed to have preferrences, which is absurd! If that were true, we also wouldn't be allowed to prefer intelligence (and oh doesn't everyone on earth think they have that going for them), kindness, nurturing, expansiveness, humor. There are a lot of things you're either born with or you're not. I wasn't born white, so a lot of men won't like to date me, that's okay too. I don't whine about it if I know that's the reason, I just go on to someone else, plenty of fish in the sea. I wasn't born with a naturally high metabolism, so I doubt I'll ever be skinny, which is some men's preference. But then, I have nice boobs so some guys like that. I'm not insulted if a guy likes me for my boobs! I'm just happy he likes me. Once he gets to know me more, he'll discover what a cool person I am (no ego problems here, lol). Until then we have to approach each other for some reason. so we are drawn to what our eyes like.

I don't judge the value of a man by his penis size, that distinction I want to make abundantly clear.

For me personally, to fully experience orgasm takes a larger than average penis, and I don't think I could ever truly fall in love with someone who couldn't give me that. I tried it once and it was more to give up than I had expected. Preference. I don't think that the men who don't want to date me are assholes, they have a right to their preferences, and so do I.
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i second! thanks, mz, for always saying things i can't figure out quite how to articulate ;-) i get tired of feeling like a terrible person just because size is a factor in who i'm attracted to... not the sole factor, but a significant one.

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MissV,

Glad to see you posting here, please come back often! There are a great bunch of women who post here regularly, and those we don't see very often. Your input would be most welcome.

Is it me or are all the women of lpsg beautiful?

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Miss Velvet, your ava is really breathtaking, we don't see enough of you around!

Texass, your pics sizzle! How is it so many gorgeous women have found there way here? Texas has alwys been know for beautiful women, and you prove them right again.
 

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Originally posted by Big load+Jan 9 2005, 10:19 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Big load &#064; Jan 9 2005, 10:19 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-hungthick@Jan 8 2005, 10:26 PM
Okay let me be shallow here---if you dont have a big dick i am not interested in sex with you unless you bottom but dont expect me to suck you.  there i said it.

i have always wondered what tiny cock men think regarding their own apendage.  i wish i was 9-9.5 inches and then the guys that know my size have to slap me because i am not small but sometimes think i am.

i dont think size is a degree of manhood and i dont think big cocks determine success in life; it makes one more confident and that is about it.

on a personal note i would hate to have a tiny cock --it would be so terrible.
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i admire your honesty :)

just a question though, what if you fell in love with a guy who only had a 4" erect penis? Would you dump him because he wasnt hung?
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i don&#39;t think i could fall in love with a guy. I like both sexes but prefer men for sex...emotionally, i will always connect love with women. So, does size matter with a woman? yes--i like everything big (you interpret).
 

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Originally posted by hungthick+Jan 11 2005, 05:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hungthick &#064; Jan 11 2005, 05:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Big load@Jan 9 2005, 10:19 PM
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@Jan 8 2005, 10:26 PM
Okay let me be shallow here---if you dont have a big dick i am not interested in sex with you unless you bottom but dont expect me to suck you.  there i said it.

on a personal note i would hate to have a tiny cock --it would be so terrible.
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i don&#39;t think i could fall in love with a guy. I like both sexes but prefer men for sex...emotionally, i will always connect love with women. So, does size matter with a woman? yes--i like everything big (you interpret).
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I wish someone could explain this to me. I really don&#39;t understand. How could a guy prefer sex with a man. but prefer emotionally to be with a woman. I have read several posts that indicate that. Are guys just fuck buddies and that is all?
 

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Originally posted by Freddie53+Jan 11 2005, 02:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Freddie53 &#064; Jan 11 2005, 02:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by hungthick@Jan 11 2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Big load@Jan 9 2005, 10:19 PM
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@Jan 8 2005, 10:26 PM
Okay let me be shallow here---if you dont have a big dick i am not interested in sex with you unless you bottom but dont expect me to suck you.  there i said it.

on a personal note i would hate to have a tiny cock --it would be so terrible.
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i don&#39;t think i could fall in love with a guy. I like both sexes but prefer men for sex...emotionally, i will always connect love with women. So, does size matter with a woman? yes--i like everything big (you interpret).
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I wish someone could explain this to me. I really don&#39;t understand. How could a guy prefer sex with a man. but prefer emotionally to be with a woman. I have read several posts that indicate that. Are guys just fuck buddies and that is all?
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Of course not.
People are all different. Preferences are just that.
It does not have to resonate with you.
If you don&#39;t feel that way, that is why you don&#39;t understand it.
But that said, if you take a minute to consider that each person is an individual,
you will probably understand how much you can learn from other ways of thinking. :)
 

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Originally posted by ebviking+Jan 11 2005, 05:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ebviking &#064; Jan 11 2005, 05:18 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Freddie53@Jan 11 2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by hungthick@Jan 11 2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Big load@Jan 9 2005, 10:19 PM
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@Jan 8 2005, 10:26 PM
Okay let me be shallow here---if you dont have a big dick i am not interested in sex with you unless you bottom but dont expect me to suck you.  there i said it.

on a personal note i would hate to have a tiny cock --it would be so terrible.
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i don&#39;t think i could fall in love with a guy. I like both sexes but prefer men for sex...emotionally, i will always connect love with women. So, does size matter with a woman? yes--i like everything big (you interpret).
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I wish someone could explain this to me. I really don&#39;t understand. How could a guy prefer sex with a man. but prefer emotionally to be with a woman. I have read several posts that indicate that. Are guys just fuck buddies and that is all?
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Of course not.
People are all different. Preferences are just that.
It does not have to resonate with you.
If you don&#39;t feel that way, that is why you don&#39;t understand it.
But that said, if you take a minute to consider that each person is an individual,
you will probably understand how much you can learn from other ways of thinking. :)
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i may understand better than I thought. I just like being with guys as well emotionally. But I can understand. But to me without an emotional attachment, someone it just a fuckbuddy
 

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Fuckbuddy isn&#39;t always such a bad thing either. I&#39;ve had great respect for some of mine, it just all depends on where you&#39;re at at the time. For whatever reason, I have found that many bisexual people prefer a love realtionship with one gender more than the other, even though they enjoy sex with both. Different strokes....
 

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I&#39;ve been with several regular curious dudes and there was some emotional attachment to it because there was a friendship and such sought as we went down that path. Despite my orientation though, I enjoy deep platonic ties to other guys as well as sexual ones.
 

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I came back and reread this thread and have done some thinking about this various subjects that surfaced.

One, I thought Jana&#39;s first response was awesome and said so much. I won&#39;t repeat it here. But she explained so much.

On her subsequent responses, I understand her, but I do have questions about how to resolve an important issue. Sex life. That is a part of marriage, but it is not the only part. The question that comes to my mind is what if after marriage due to illness such as cancer, heart or whatever sexual relations take a right turn and either cease to exist or are changed radically. What it the ethical thing to do? I don&#39;t think I would divorce someone just for that. But if your spouse gave permission, would it be all right to have some fuck buddies? My understanding of adultery is sex outside of marriage without the permission of your spouse. That is what I understand was the Biblical interpretation, though that is not what is considered by most people to be the definition now.

This is important as in the scheme of things sooner or later one of the spouses is going to have health failure. The couple may be in their nineties when it happens, but it will happen as surely as one of the spouses is going to die first unless they are killed instantly together. But what happens when it is a car wreck two months after marriage and the face on on of them now looks like a monster? What if sex now becomes impossible forever and the able spouse is in their 20&#39;s?

Of course, if the disabled spouse still has a mouth and hand that works, then it is possible to provide orgasm for the other spouse even though themselves have no sexual feeling. That is possible. But is it probable that the disabled spouse will do that on a regular basis?

On the second note. I reread the posts and see what is apparently happening and then I understand that it is possible for all of us to do this if we allow ourselves permission to do it. That is, to emotionally really love someone as a spouse, but really have much more intense orgasms with a fuck buddy. This is particularly true after several years of marriage. The romance is going to subside in most relationships after two to three years. I am talking about the ooie, gushing feelings. Walking in and seeing your partner in the nude as both of you are desparately trying to get dressed for work and you were late one time last week. No real sexual thrill that morning. And it becomes increasingly more difficult to maintain that gush of early romance. It can be done. But usually does not happen.

That part I understand. What I don&#39;t understand is why a guy like Mike really loves his male friend since kindergarten and finally had sex as both a top and bottom and explained that there had never been such an intense orgasm as he had with his gay friend. It just looks to me that they are a couple and Mike just hasn&#39;t comprehended it yet. He still has the mindset that he is straight. And I question that. If you don&#39;t know the story, it is under the thread "Should I let My Best Friend Fuck Me" by Blue...... sorry I can&#39;t remember the spelling of the user name. I just remember his name is Mike. Mike forgive me for not being able to spell your user name and I don&#39;t know how to get it while I am writing a post.

But I do understand the concept of a fuckbuddy. I just really believe that Mike&#39;s friend is more than a fuckbuddy. And I suspect that if Mike pursures a straight relationship, he will spend the rest of his life longing for his male boyhood friend.

I can be liberal. Although sometimes what your spouse doesn&#39;t know won&#39;t hurt them is true, if one or both of the souses are into having fuckbuddies, it is better if they have permission from their spouse. Main reason: Usually the other spouse finds out sooner or later and the emotional fallout is unpredictable.

And last, I really appreciate the people, male and female, who don&#39;t consider dick size in deciding character or manliness or any of those qualities. That is just plain wrong to do that.

But, sexual attraction is what it is. If gay men struggle trying to change their orientation and fail to the point of suicide in some cases, then people of both genders can&#39;t help what turns them on. Some people are turned on by small dicks, small boobs, big boobs, short and tall and on and on.

I once had a sixth grade boy in my classroom who came to me, upset. He wanted one of the girls to be attracted to him. He was into not being prejudiced and all of that and rightfully so. He had the concept that a girl would be prejudiced if she didn&#39;t give him a chance. I had to explain to him that in the job market, restaurants and all of that, there is no room for preferential treatment in an open forum. But love is not an open forum. No one owes anyone a reason for not being sexually attracted to them.

I have come to feel very close to Jana. But as a sister. Brothers and sisters don&#39;t make good marriage partners. It is OK to have extremely close friends of both genders that you aren&#39;t sexually attracted too. In fact it is healthy.

And last, I am proud of me. Jana said she wasn&#39;t born white. I paused and looked at her picture again. I realized that she doesn&#39;t really have caucasian features but does have a light skin. I hadn&#39;t even thought about race. And I still am not sure of Jana&#39;s total ethnic background. And what does it matter? She is a friend. She doesn&#39;t know mine at all. She really doesn&#39;t know if I am short or tall or what. And in friendships it doesn&#39;t matter at all.

But when it comes to love, everything matters.
 

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Freddie, I am proud of you too&#33; Not just for seeing me as just another person, but for the way you&#39;ve brought so much of the good stuff inside you onto these pages. You&#39;re a good guy, and I don&#39;t know your race or any of your physical characteristics either. Likeminded people have a way of finding each other.

Oh, my father&#39;s from India and my mother&#39;s from Germany, so I&#39;m a mutt, in case anyone&#39;s interested.

About sex and marriage, I think it&#39;s just imperative for the people inside the marriage to be okay with their arrangement- it&#39;s really not for others to decide. In my own case, it was the actual proposal that bothered me. I knew he&#39;d had issues with sex, but not to what extent. He always referred to them in the past tense, as something he wanted to be free from. When he proposed to me, it was on his knee, saying amoung other things "I want it to be just me and you sharing a NORMAL sex life". Now you can go on for days trying to define "normal", but he knew when he said it what I would assume, therefore it was trickery plain and simple. He knew he couldn&#39;t do it, not even once. We waited till after the wedding to have sex, so only AFTER I had made a vow did I find out I had been decieved in this very important way. We had already bought a house together, our families were already loving each other, and I was horrified&#33; Had I known what I was in for, I would have negotiated a different kind of arrangement and been prepared to live with it, but the shock of just having been fed bullshit left a wound I never could get over. Having sex with him was horrible, not one good thing to say about it. He made me feel disgusting (because that&#39;s how he felt about having sex with me).

Now, in the examples you gave where there were happy years together and one gets sick or injured, well that&#39;s just the way the cookie crumbles, and you take the good with the bad, You&#39;ve built a life together and the future is unknown for all of us. I was mad about the present, which WAS known, not being revealed to me. We didn&#39;t have good times to look back on, we were never a "couple" ever- just two people unhappily inhabiting the same space. He thought that once I was there it was my obligation to just accept whatever I got, I didn&#39;t share that view. The betrayal of his false promise was with me every moment until I just wanted him dead. Or me. Life was intolerable. Also, he was not willing to let me have fuckbuddies, since he found masturbation satisfactory he thought I should too. So here I was, 33 and looking at an entire life a celibacy, which I NEVER agreed to&#33; It was bullshit. Yes, I would assume if I&#39;d had a strong realtionship with him that included sex, but something happened further down the pike, I would have found a way to get on with my life because I would remember the love that had grown between us during those earlier years, but without that, nothing had grown at all, just my resentment. I think it&#39;s impossible (for me) to completely be in love with someone without sex being any part of the picture. I can love an unlimited amount of people, but to be in love is something very different, and sex is an intrugal part of the development of that kind of love. So back to the topic at hand, don&#39;t ever offer something you can&#39;t give. Don&#39;t think she won&#39;t know it or feel it. Don&#39;t think it&#39;s okay to be dishonest with yourself, it&#39;s bloody well not&#33; Being dishonest with yourself means you will say things to others that are untrue- they may very well consider that a lie.

Get real, get honest, and get into the good stuff of life with willing partners, make everyone happy including yourself. Oh yeah, and if you want to have fuckbuddies, you should offer your s/o the same option. Just assuming she wouldn&#39;t want to do it isn&#39;t fair.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora@Jan 18 2005, 12:03 AM
Freddie, I am proud of you too&#33; Not just for seeing me as just another person, but for the way you&#39;ve brought so much of the good stuff inside you onto these pages. You&#39;re a good guy, and I don&#39;t know your race or any of your physical characteristics either. Likeminded people have a way of finding each other.

Oh, my father&#39;s from India and my mother&#39;s from Germany, so I&#39;m a mutt, in case anyone&#39;s interested.

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Jana, a wonderful post. A horrific marriage. In legal terms, you may not have known it at the time, but you qualified for an annulment. And in churches such as Roman Catholic, you would have qualified as well. In the Methodist Church, we have a ceremony for divorce as a healing and as a way of beginning life anew after a divorce. And you certainly recognize the need to have your soul refreshed after the ordeal of going through a divorce. If there was ever a time in a person&#39;s life they needed God and the church it is during a divorce. I feel sorry for people whose church abandons them when they are in the throes of a divorce. In my book, it is often the marriage not the divorce that is the problem. Your situation certainly qualifies. I trust you know that I was talking to a whole audience and to the whole topic. On of Jesus&#39;s pet pieves was the double standard. His opposition to divorce was understandable. In his day, only men could get divorced. And they did not have to have a reason and could leave the woman destitute. But polgamy was common, so the only purpose a divorce served in that day was to relieve a man from his obligation to take care of his wife. So while Jesus didn&#39;t endorse polgamy, he condemned the practice of men putting their wives away when the wives were no longer youthful looking and "buying" a new model which essentially what was going on. For all practical purposes, women were property of men.

Unfortunately, you married a jerk. A marriage is a covenent between God and two people. Your ex. never fulfilled his part of the covenent and never intended to. Neither you nor God have a commitment to that covenant. Only legally did it ever exist. It never existed in the heart and soul of three beings as was intended. I am glad you got out. And I don&#39;t expect that God wanted you to stay in that demoralizing situation.

I know that I am bi with a heavy leaning toward the gay side. But I truly love my wife and we did have some wonderful sexual memories. The sex part of our marriage did come to an end slowly and due to health reasons partly on both sides and then a lack of interest on her part for sex. I agree with your assesment that sexual attraction is an integral part of a true marriage either in the past or the present or both. For it to have never been there for one or both of the partners means that the marriage was and is a sham from the get go.

I have not found fuckbuddies yet. And I won&#39;t due to a variety of reasons. But I sure as hell enjoy talking about it here and playing in the pile. And I, like you, detest double standards in anything for anyone, anytime.

Jana, you have certainly had a some difficult situations to deal with. You have just a bit of a fiesty tongue when called for and it is almost exactly like by real sister. And you have a heart like my real sister. I guess that is why I admire you so much. You remind me so much of her. She too had to recover from alcoholism and sponsors people all the time in AA. She had a nasty divorce to deal with. Yet she has recovered from that as well. We had a rough childhood and we took care of each other or I don&#39;t know if we would have made it.

I am almost totally of English, Scottish and Irish descent. Most of my family tree has been in America a long time. The latest ancestors I have from the old country were my great great grandparents who came from Ireland during the patato famine in the 1840&#39;s and neither spoke a word of English when they arrived here. Some of my ancestors arrived here in 1607 in Jamestown. And while you say you are not white, it was my understanding that people from India are considered Caucacian. Though that doesn&#39;t really matter to me.

I am 5&#39;7" and used to be an inch taller before back surgeries. Unforutately I need to grow in height about 6 inches to carry my weight. Not likely to happen. But may have a better chance of that happening then me lose weight. I can gain weight by just reading a recipe book.

Jana, I wish the best for you. I enjoy our dissertations. You have great insight and are a deep thinker.
 

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[What I really appreciate about this forum is the raw heartfelt emotional honesty some people display.
You, Madame Zora, and Freddie and others have just helped me in so many ways, I just cannot adequately express my thanks.

Love to you all from
John
 

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Originally posted by zzorus@Jan 18 2005, 08:31 AM
[What I really appreciate about this forum is the raw heartfelt emotional honesty some people display.
You, Madame Zora, and Freddie and others have just helped me in so many ways, I just cannot adequately express my thanks.

Love to you all from
John
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Thank you for the compliment. I am glad I have helped you. Feel free to pm me or e-mail me anytime or talk on this forum.

And love back to you.
Freddie
 

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Freddie, I know we both know that while this banter is between us, it is also in front of and for the benefit of anyone who will read it. I long ago decided that my stories were only of benefit if I could use them to help others aviod taking the paths I took. I am well qualified to let people know about the end results, I have found many&#33; For whatever reason, perhaps blantant stupidity, I have an unquenchable will to live, and even the most bizzarre of circumstances doesn&#39;t daunt me for very long. I knew my marriage was a sham, but I did have a genuine love for that person that yeilded some good things- not enough to outweigh the bad, but enough that I can look back in retrospect at the things I learned, times we shared, and consider it a time not wasted. He is still a good person, deserving of all the blessings of life I would want for myself, and I hope he is able at some point to embrace himself for who he is and find some hapiness, it just can&#39;t be with me.

As for my race, there are Negroids, Caucasoids, and Mongoloids. Many people are completely unaware of the third category, of which I am a part. I have to chuckle at the whole white vs. black thing going on in our unfortunate culture, because I am neither, nor do I have much interest in the rantings of madmen&#33; I am a Mongoloid, as was Jesus, as are all the brown people in the middle east and much of Asia. Eventually everyone will be my colour, and it delights me to no end to know this. Prejudiced people, I laugh my ass off at you&#33; One day your own ancestors will look like me.

Zzorus, despite the seeming nature of our converstion, it is for people like you who are reading that these words are published. Freddie and I can converse through pmms, as we sometimes do, if we only wish to talk to each other. If we can learn to be open, there is nothing to hide from any longer. Here&#39;s how it happened for me (I am NOT suggesting this to anyone&#33;). I was in AA early on and had been asked to give my first lead, that&#39;s where we talk in front of the group and tell what our drinking was like, what happended to make us want to change it, and what life is like now. I thought I had to write a story to memorize, but my friends said to just talk from my heart and tell it from my own viewpoint. So this I did. I ended up having an hour long confessional about every rotten thing I&#39;d ever done in my life&#33; I told stories about stealing, prostitution, rape, drug use, death, decadence of every imaginable kind. I found that even for AA some of my stories of my life were extreme&#33; Afterwards, everyone, I mean EVERYONE knew all my shit. They thought it was funny, some were embarrassed a bit, some thought I was brave (I was just nervous), some thought I should shut up, some were glad I opened the door for others. See, it was okay. Everyone felt about me the way they wanted to and it was okay, the main thing was me. I didn&#39;t feel the need to hide anymore wondering "How will people react if they know __________" because now they ALL knew&#33; Life went on much as it had before, only now and again, someone would tell me how they felt closer to me, or they felt empowered to talk about something uncomfortable because they heard me that day. I haven&#39;t shut up since.

Sometimes the weirdest things we go through that make us feel so alone are the very things the guy sitting to the left of us are going through and he can&#39;t possibly imagine anyone having to go through something so hard. We are all in this life together, for good and for ill. Sharing is sometimes the greatest gift we can give, even when we feel like we only have garbage to share. One man&#39;s garbage is another man&#39;s treasure.
 

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Personally i think that the little guys can be quite horrible because of how jealous they are, and the big guys are more subdued and appologetic because offt he jealousy they cause.

And the average guys are just "oh well" :p

Certainly when people go on about "HVING TEH BIGG PENNIS&#33;&#33;111" then they are under-endowed, insecure people most of the time.;)
 

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Actually, Jana, race gets more complicated; I mean, most Indians (and I don&#39;t mean from India) I&#39;ve met have very Mediterranean features, once you get beyond the lack of body hair and dark skin; this has caused a bit of a problem with all the "caucasoid" skeletons found in North America which really look like people I know. One of the difficulties is that features we associate with race don&#39;t really follow the same pattern.