I have letters after my name ....

[Nelly Gay]

A 10 year old child was on the television last night reeling off a list of medical conditions as an explanation for his bad behaviour.
He proudly commented on his ADHD, dyslexia, dysphraxia, anger-management issues, low IQ with the panache of a Harley Street specialist .
Some explanation perhaps for his breaking of windows, shoplifting, verbal abuse and attacking other children ?

 

[stetree]

No just an explanation that if his parents gave him some form of punishment (I believe in corpral btw) instead of thinking up excuses then the little shit might not be the way he is.

 

[DC_DEEP]

NellyGay and Stetree, don't you both realize that if you can hack up a hairball of acronymns, you will never again be responsible for your actions?

Oh, I have a short attention span, ADHD. I am not responsible for pinching that woman's tits on the subway.

Oh, I am dyslexic. I meant to slap myself, but I accidentally slapped the police officer instead.

Oh, I have dysphoric dyspepsia. It's not my fault I murdered those 14 hookers.

Oh, I suffer from gay panic disorder. It's not my fault that I stalked and killed that queer who asked me to dance. Just because I was in a gay bar, that doesn't mean I'm one of them.

 

[stetree]

Well I have S.P.L.D which is specific learning difficulties (dyslexia, dyscalclia and dyspraxia) and if I had ever acted like that child my mum would of made sure I couldnt sit dowb for atleast a week.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Kot, there are actually some disorders that make learning more difficult, and sods who don't have those disorders but use them to cover laziness are contemptible, indeed.

Blaming his physically abusive behavior on dyslexia? Sounds more like he suffers from SFB: shit for brains.

 

[stetree]

Well I def not lazy as I managed to get into university, just a shame I never liked it enough to finish I suppose, much prefer working.

And DC I am with u he either suffers SFB or a major case of arseoleitis

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

Well it sure keeps the doctors and mediacl industry well paid though. Imagine the going rate for all the drugs to 'treat' these conditions.

After all, NO HUMAN has any mental diversity, right? :biggrin1:

 

[DaveyR]

Well IMHO a lot ( not all) of those supposedly suffering from ADHD do not. It is an excuse for total lack of any discipline. Parents often seem to abdicate any reponsibility for the discipline off the little darlings. They seem to think that that responsibility lies with teachers. What chance to teachers have when the parents take no interest in the mental welfare of their kids.

 

[Pecker]

I have CRS. What were we talking about, anyway?

 

[naughty]

On the other hand,

There are many people with legitimate personality disorders and learning disabilities that are not diagnosed and their behavior is blamed on just being a 'bad' person.I only have to look at many of the street people on the corners downtown to realize that I may not just looking at an alcoholic or a drug addict, but a person suffering from Schizophrenia. It can be a tough call. Does having a learning disability or personality disorder exempt you from following the rules of society? I think not. However, there should be help or medication for those who it can help...I do know of dyslexics who in frustration have acted out but I can not speak for you ex, Kotchanski. He sounds like dyslexia may be the least of his problems. There are so many factors which go into deciding who we are and how we are going to behave and our self will is a big one....

 

[jeff black]

*throws down hat in digsust that some people choose to abuse the Psychological system, and storms off*

Being a guy who got a degree in Psychology, as well as being legitimately diagnosed with ADHD, I get disgusted at the thought that people are willing to blame their "problems" on their disorder.

ADHD is linked to many other disorders. However, you don't see me killing people, counting everything by three's, robbing banks, etc.

Absolute bullshit.

*actually storms off now*

 

[joyboytoy79]

People get confused.

Disorders don't MAKE you do anything. They do influence your mood, though. The I-did-it-because-have-_____ excuse is just that, an excuse. ADHD, ADD, BiPolar, BPD, are all conditions that influence the way people think, and therefor influence their moods. But mood and thoughts don't have to translate into action. Using your disorder as an excuse for your actions is wrong, and too many people buy into it.

I've many times said "I was upset, and I did the wrong thing." But it's almost always followed by, "But i know it was the wrong thing, and i'm sorry." On the other hand i know many people who say "it's not my fault, you got me upset and you know how i act when i get upset." A lot of people in the general population don't see the difference between the two statments. One of them deflects the blame. The other takes responsibility. If you ask me, blame is a stupid concept, and it does not equate to responsibility.

 

[stetree]

Fuck, I'm really sorry if it sounded like I was saying they don't exsist and that they are just excuses in all cases. That couldn't be further from what I meant.

I have a lot of friends with various conditions, what I was trying to say is that in a lot of cases, when you have a "bad person" the mere suggestion that there may be conditions attributing to them is enough for them to use it for the rest of their lives to keep going and getting away with things.

Its ok chick didnt think u were sayin that at all. I agree with u u do get a lot of people who are just arseholes trying to use any excuse they can to get away with doin it

 

[Chrysalis]

I'm fascinated by this thread, and surprised I hadn't noticed it yet.

About five years ago, I was talking to a girlfriend who has a son who was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. He was nine years old.

I revealed to her that despite the fact that I have a few "letters" after my own name, I believe everything I have ever done was a deliberate choice. I have done some really fucking stupid things, but in every instance, before I did them, I thought "this probably isn't a good idea," then went ahead and did them anyway.

My friend was appalled! She insisted over and over to me that her son had absolutely no control over his behavior while manic, or depressed, or in a "mixed state."

Now her son is 14 and violently out of control and getting into all kinds of trouble. I believe it is a direct result of her (and his medical providers) having convinced him that he is not responsible for his own behavior.

A Psychiatrist once explained to me that people with mental illnesses are still primarily... people (imagine that!) with their own inherent personalities. When we lose inhibitions, what tends to emerge is our true nature.

We are who we are. Some of us have a legitimate medical condition, and some do not. But in the vast majority of cases, I believe everything we do is a choice, regardless of the letters after our names.

 

[Principessa]

I agree with DC DEEP. My mom was a kindergarten teacher and my dad a retired Army drill sergeant from the Korean Conflict. Bad behavior was not allowed.

I am 40 yrs. old and every report card from 2nd-12th grade said I was not working up to my fullest potential. To say that my grades were erratic would be the understatement of the year. Low and behold, when I got to college I tested so low on the math placement test they re-tested me for a variety of learning disabilities. To my horror and my parents disbelief I was diagnosed with dyscalculia, dyslexia, APD-Auditory Processing Disorder; and SID-Sensory Integration Disorder. I am also a Visual-Spatial Learner. The American public school system is set up for Auditory-Sequential learners which means if you don't fit that mold you are pretty much screwed. All the alphabet soup kinda freaked me out for a while & made me a little angry that no one had figured that out before; but guess what? I didn't hurt myself or anybody else. I went to the library to figure out what I could do and went from there. Dyscalculia is basically dyslexia with numbers; which explains why I got A's in geometry and D's in algebra.

Oh yeah, the letters I proudly post after my name: AA, BA, MAT, MS-Eng
Yes, they are all degrees. I finished my BA just in time for my 10 year high school reunion.

 

[Draconis71]

My brother was fine till he was about 3 or 4 years old (actually VERY advanced)
Had his shots, then, was sick (fever and the all)

He was diagnosed as Autistic afterwords (and, yes, showed the signs.. still does show some signs)

He's now in his 20's and seems to have mostly overcome it. He still has these REALLY annoyting habits like pumping his hands, etc... but, overall, over it.

Now, I've seen some people just using the acronyms as excuses. not really wanting help, or to be cured... They just want to use the letters as an excuse. (They MAY have a MILD case of whatever's afflicting them)...

Those who are TRULY beleaguered by the ailmens WANT to get help WANT to get better, and don't just use it as an excuse for bad behavior


THOSE people suffer from PPS (Poor Parenting Syndrom) Or BBS (Bad Behavior Syndrom) Both are totally curable with some good old fasioned corporeal punishment.

As for the other ailments, they're treatable/managable with love, understanding, therapy, and in some cases medication.

 

[Draconis71]

I agree with DC DEEP. My mom was a kindergarten teacher and my dad a retired Army drill sergeant from the Korean Conflict. Bad behavior was not allowed.

I am 40 yrs. old and every report card from 2nd-12th grade said I was not working up to my fullest potential. To say that my grades were erratic would be the understatement of the year. Low and behold, when I got to college I tested so low on the math placement test they re-tested me for a variety of learning disabilities. To my horror and my parents disbelief I was diagnosed with dyscalculia, dyslexia, APD-Auditory Processing Disorder; and SID-Sensory Integration Disorder. I am also a Visual-Spatial Learner. The American public school system is set up for Auditory-Sequential learners which means if you don't fit that mold you are pretty much screwed. All the alphabet soup kinda freaked me out for a while & made me a little angry that no one had figured that out before; but guess what? I didn't hurt myself or anybody else. I went to the library to figure out what I could do and went from there. Dyscalculia is basically dyslexia with numbers; which explains why I got A's in geometry and D's in algebra.

Oh yeah, the letters I proudly post after my name: AA, BA, MAT, MS-Eng
Yes, they are all degrees. I finished my BA just in time for my 10 year high school reunion.

I say contrats, and this, I believe, reinforces the post I had just made.

 

[baseball99]

My brother was fine till he was about 3 or 4 years old (actually VERY advanced)
Had his shots, then, was sick (fever and the all)

He was diagnosed as Autistic afterwords (and, yes, showed the signs.. still does show some signs)

He's now in his 20's and seems to have mostly overcome it. He still has these REALLY annoyting habits like pumping his hands, etc... but, overall, over it.

Now, I've seen some people just using the acronyms as excuses. not really wanting help, or to be cured... They just want to use the letters as an excuse. (They MAY have a MILD case of whatever's afflicting them)...

Those who are TRULY beleaguered by the ailmens WANT to get help WANT to get better, and don't just use it as an excuse for bad behavior


THOSE people suffer from PPS (Poor Parenting Syndrom) Or BBS (Bad Behavior Syndrom) Both are totally curable with some good old fasioned corporeal punishment.

As for the other ailments, they're treatable/managable with love, understanding, therapy, and in some cases medication.

Just want to point out there is no link between vaccinations and Autism. The association is due to the fact that children begin showing signs of autism around the same time a bunch of vaccinations are given but the two are not related.

I know your post had nothing to do with that at all but I just wanted to clarify it a bit

Also, Autism is amazingly treatable with proper intervention the problem is its very intense, very expensive and strong family support is necessary beyond what most can handle

 

[Nelly Gay]

On the other hand,

There are many people with legitimate personality disorders and learning disabilities that are not diagnosed and their behavior is blamed on just being a 'bad' person.I only have to look at many of the street people on the corners downtown to realize that I may not just looking at an alcoholic or a drug addict, but a person suffering from Schizophrenia. It can be a tough call. Does having a learning disability or personality disorder exempt you from following the rules of society? I think not. However, there should be help or medication for those who it can help...I do know of dyslexics who in frustration have acted out but I can not speak for you ex, Kotchanski. He sounds like dyslexia may be the least of his problems. There are so many factors which go into deciding who we are and how we are going to behave and our self will is a big one....

Can you explain why many psychiatrists use "major/severe personality disorder" as a way of effectively ending treatment(s) ? They then cite scarce NHS resources...
See my earlier posts on unresponsive depression.
A rather large friend of mine uses her "dyslexia" as a raison d'etre for being hours late and for submitting work reports months late .
When I pinted out that Cher, Richard Branson, Michael Heseltine (all dyslexics) et al managed just fine she seemed unconvinced.
If my severe personality disorder meant I always kept people waiting for hours then I might just make an effort to get their on time or even (shudder) arrive early !
Just a thought.
Her employer even paid £300 for the certificate that validated her "condition" ...
There can be many positive gains from having letters after your name.
Ask Miss C. !

 

[DC_DEEP]

If any person has any such disabilities, to a degree that he or she cannot control his own behavior, that person should be institutionalized and removed from general society - not excused and allowed to repeat.

Parents who allow uncontrolled behavior in their minor children should be punished.