I have proegressive thoughts with conservative values is it possible?

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  1. Frnkd213

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    I'm not sure if this is correct, I find my self listening to talk radio alot now days. Use to listen to conservative radio, just because there were'nt any other stations available in my area until I found HD stations and radio apps. Now I love progressive thought and listen to it as often as I can, gym, commuting, mowing the lawn, etc.

    The dichotomy with cons and progressives is so amazing that if you are not planted with one thought it can be so confusing. So I will declare myself a left wing liberal, progressive or whatever. Used to vote base on issues and candidates, mostly dem. Last gov election went republican, regretfully, (she was a moderate).

    My thing is can you be a progressive or liberal, and have conservative values? I'm for gay rights,equal pay, helping the poor, fair federal regulations, EPA, middle class, tax the rich etc.

    However,I am conservative when I see overt sexual overtones, language, innuendoes, and changing criteria in PG-13 movies, cable tv stations that rely on sex for viewers not content, reality tv such as housewives of ____ for instance. Shows that have story lines that have the woman being taken advantage of ( unless it is based on a true story). Music videos same thing, use of sex only for profit. People of power and influence, politicians wealthy individuals and corporations who lie and cheat and try to cover up. I can go on. Tea baggers!

    But the thing that really gets me is when drugs are glorified. In particular celebraties, and sports figures who are caught using illegal drugs and fans excuse them.
    So based on this, am I a moderate, liberal, or still an ass conservative?
     
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    We agree on... all of that. I'm for equality under the law for all people everywhere, for helping the poor, for equal pay, for fair federal regulations, for the EPA, the NEA, the middle class and for the wealthy shouldering more of the tax burden than the poor.

    On the flip side I'd go so far as to call myself a prude when it comes to overt sexual overtones in movies and on television, violence in video games, and the glorification of narcotics and self destructive behavior. Certain things need not be celebrated and, if I'm being honest, I consider to be at the least contributing factors to the moral degradation to our society (what good comes from watch two wealthy women bitch slap one another over a man?)

    That being said: I don't think that kind of behavior can nor should be legislated against. Sex and violence on tv; curtailing that for any purpose is tantamount to censorship. The methods in place for making sure it isn't viewed by the wrong audience could certainly be improved upon but out right removing it from the market place of free ideas is a step in the wrong direction. The glorification of drugs and dubious behavior- same thing, it isn't something I approve of, but then this is a free society and to ban it would be to start us down a dangerous path.

    I'm not religious but I do believe in such a thing as moral fabric and I think there are a lot of contributing factors to its degradation, several of which can be found in the various media markets. The difference between me and most conservatives (I say most not all, and maybe even specifically just the evangelical ones) is that a conservative in the same mindset thinks its okay for the Government to do something about it by way of making whatever it is they don't approve of, illegal.

    I do not.




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    JSZ, glad you mentioned it, forgot about the use of religion as a means of acting and oppressing.

    And may I also mention Birthers, absolutely cannot believe how much their "prejudice" is apparent ignorant they are.

    "American" apparently politicians are trying to define in concrete terms when one is and isn't. If you want to tax the rich more your un-American, regulate industry or wall street your un-American, for gay rights your un-American. Etc. Hey this could be thread in itself. I'll set it up. " what makes one un-American" now that would stir things up!
     
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    I hear ya.

    I'm fiscally, very conservative.

    I'm an isolationist.

    I'm for gay rights.

    I'm pro choice.

    I'm not with the religious right.

    I don't really fit into any one party but I almost always vote republican.
     
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    "for fair federal regulations, for the EPA, the NEA, the middle class and for the wealthy shouldering more of the tax burden than the rich.".................I'm a bit confused with the last part of that, the rich taxed at a lesser rate and the middle taxed at a higher rate, isn't that the deal we have now? I would like to see the tax system restructured where not one group is saddled with they majority tax burden, however under that system the largest segment population would get the whining rights to we pay all the taxes.
     
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    Yes, the national obsession with pigeonholing individuals into rigid, simplistic value systems!

    Can't you be into black, white and all shades or gray in between?
    Can't you be into men and women too?
    Can't you love both tea and coffee?
    Can't you be against assault weapons, but for gun rights otherwise?
    Can't you be pro-choice, but within limits or pro-life, with exceptions?
    ...

    Independents, not partisan voters, decide the outcome of the elections.
     
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    It does depend on your definitions. The british conservative party can sometimes be surprisingly liberal. Particularly when talking about freedoms of the individual to enjoy their wealth, for example, but rights for the rich sometimes rub off on the poor. Maybe it has more to do with whether you seek to impose your views on everyone else. If you choose to live conservatively, thats fine. But if you refrain from forcing everyone else to do the same, then you can be a liberal too.
     
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    My mistake, I typed rich when I should have typed poor. I'm in favor of tax reform though not a flat tax and certainly not the tax increase the GOP has most recently proposed.




    JSZ
     
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    In no way are you a Conservative, you are definitley a Liberal, but a breed of Liberal who doesn't fully support the First Amendment and the right of Free Speech, no matter how inappropriate or despicable the speech may be.

    I might would give you Con status if you wanted to eliminate the EPA or The Middle Class, or not help the poor, but since you support them......

    Btw, the Teabaggers incense me as well. Have you even been to one of their Klan meetings, err "Rallies" ???
    I went to one in my area and 75% of them were Uneducated (easily known by their disastrous signs) and the very essence of hypocrites!!! , decrying "Wasteful Government Spending" and groaning incessantly on and on about "Socialism" while they feed their family with food stamps or support theirselves paycheck to paycheck with SOCIAL Security!!! These are the very idiots and class of voters I loathe most. They vote with their morals/values or lack thereof in their case, instead of their pocketbook.
    If they would just be honest with themselves or better yet US, they would say the whole reason for their little soon to be extinct movement was b/c *gasp* We elected a blk man (half blk man) as the President of the United States and that just infuriates their little xenophobic hearts,since they think Barack Hussein Obama was sent here from Kenya.
    I have to also say, there is a very small portion of the Tea Party who actually believe in the things that the majority feign support of and of that small minority, those I admire, not b/c of what they believe which is incongruous from what I believe but b/c they are honest and dont shout racial epithets or demean their cause by displaying signs with pejorative remarks.

    HH
     
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    I'd actually reverse the title. You sound like you have progressive values with conservative ideas. At least around here you'd be called a Blue Dog Dem.

    Until the Republicans can unhitch their reactionary social agenda from their fiscal conservationism, I'd be hard-pressed to support them. If they did, I'd give them a much more thorough consideration.
     
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    I guess may be I am. Is that a good thing in these times?
     
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    It actually makes a lot of sense, at least to me. I've met many people who'd self-identify just as you have, and they're usually very prudent and small-c conservative.
     
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    I'd definitely love to get government out of social issues.
     
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    Then stop voting for people who want to ban abortion, disavow the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and who support a constitutional amendment banning marriage equality, for starters.
     
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    Then there's closing state schools, pension funds, medical services, any form of job subsidy, obviosuly dont want a police force, no fire services, roads, well just about everything the government does. Maybe the army isnt a social service because it is supposed to do its job abroad.
     
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    It's hard to gauge your political orientation because you didn't share your thoughts on fiscal issues. Those thoughts, combined with opinions on social issues, are a rough but standard assessment of political orientation. A good size of the right wing is liberal, or at least tolerant, of left leanings on social issues, just as long as they don't infringe.

    So, based on your assessment, I'd say you're NOT a Tea Bagger. :p
     
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