Drifterwood
Superior Member
Oh, that explains your crabby disposition? J/K
I just like yanking your chain.:wink:
Remarkably perhaps, I have avoided Crabs, which I understand really do lead to a crabby disposition. :smile:
Oh, that explains your crabby disposition? J/K
I just like yanking your chain.:wink:
In their 1995 book, Human Sperm Competition (London: Chapman & Hall), biologists Robin Baker and Mark Bellis suggest that females in contemporary Western society are rather promiscuous.
In her thesis, The Evolution of Female Promiscuity, Dr Olivia Judson of the University of Sussex, writes:
Males are natural philanderers, trying to seduce every female in sight; females are naturally chaste, more interested in laying eggs than having sex. Right? Wrong. Since the invention of DNA testing in the 1980s, the females of thousands of species have been shown to be rampantly promiscuous--and to gain significant fitness benefits from being so. This result, which came as a complete surprise to biologists, has forced a re-evaluation of our understanding of mating systems. In this talk, I will review the historical background to this re-evaluation. I will then discuss reasons that females are promiscuous, and the profound consequences of female promiscuity for male behaviour. will finish by discussing the impact of female promiscuity on broader evolutionary patterns.
And so on. The scientific evidence in the 13 years since Baker and Bellis is plentiful and overwhelming: just do a Google search. Many of us would rather deny this huge body of evidence: for those of us in a relationship, it may be too bitter a pill to swallow. As someone who in his teens and early twenties suffered much emotional trauma by learning this the hard way, I can, at least personally speaking, vouch for the veracity of all this research.
In this excellent LPSG post, the OP compiled a collection of statistics on infidelity. [Caution: DO NOT read this post if you would rather continue living in Cloud-Cuckoo Land believing that your wife/girlfriend has not, is not, or will not be unfaithful.]
As I said, I learned this lesson the hard way: it is several years since I had a regular, fulltime girlfriend. I am now firmly in the other camp, I fuck other men's girlfriends and wives. I do not do this with malice aforethought, it is just a fact of life that most of the attractive women I meet are already in a 'stable' relationship. Their boyfriends/husbands will never know about their infidelity. Women are much, much better and more convincing liars than men. Amongst my friends, male and female, and from personal experience, it appears that males will feel the need to confess at some point. Females will never admit their dalliances, even to their closest female confidantes.
You may think me bitter and cynical, but as a scientist, I now prefer to rely on the available evidence and live my life according to what some may feel is an anti-humanist stance. I fully expect to be shot down in flames for the contents of this post.
However, please remember, I do not regard myself as a 'player'. I treat women with absolute respect. I do not rape them. I do not drug them. I often do not even instigate the first contact. Is it your girlfriend making obvious eye-contact with me across the pub as she has an after work drink with her workmates? Is it your wife who I'm speaking to in the adult chatroom whilst you are away on a business trip? Well, it may be. But one thing is 99% certain: you will never find out.
Remarkably perhaps, I have avoided Crabs, which I understand really do lead to a crabby disposition. :smile:
Again, just to be clear... I argue for understanding our human biological imperatives...
but I do not argue that we should surrender to them.
There is great nobility in the effort to thwart some aspects of our animal natures...
I strive to be faithful.
I hope that my woman does as well...
But I can not bring myself to be absolutist about it.
Life is hard... relationships not always smooth... couples go thru periods of infatuation and intolerance of each other over the decades...
I can not reasonably demand a perfection of others that I am unable to achieve myself.
I lost one marriage due to a woman's inability to forgive a mistake... the resentment just festered till it poisoned the entire relationship.
I had one, lousy, one night stand when I was too young to really understand the situtation...
It taught me that I did not want to be that kind of guy...
But I got no credit given for change... No credit for 13 years of fidelity...
And my ex's alcoholism did not count as a betrayal of my trust.
Just 13 years of downward spiral...
Because of a single hour....
I have compassion. A serial philanderer deserves to be kicked to the curb...
but you should not judge your partner by the single worst moment of their lives.
When "trust" becomes a fixation that can not survive even one single youthful error.... then you are demanding something of your mate that is destined to destroy you both.
Til deg i lampelyset - noen av oss er faktisk (serie)monogame og ønsker oss et forhold uten utroskap! Lykke til med å tørre å stole på noen!
If anyone wants their woman to not cheat, then make her feel beautiful, make her feel like a woman, and be kind to her. If she still cheats, then you know that she has some deep seated self esteem issues that should have been addressed during the beginning of the relationship.
Women are, by and large, a more trustworthy sex. When most women give you their word, they mean it. That cannot be said of men. It is the rare man that gives his word and means it. .
Nonsense.
Pandering PC nonsense.
Current cultural zeitgeist notwithstanding, men are not doofus jerk assholes who lie and cheat any more than women are always wise and wonderful.
Some people are trustworthy, others are not.
I have met admirable women, and admirable men.
And I have met members of both sexes that are worthless.
The fact that worthless women are worthless in different ways than worthless men, does not mean they are better...
I have seen no discrepancy in numbers...
Just as many shrill bitches as aggressive assholes...
And Just as many wonderful women as admirable men.
Nonsense.
Pandering PC nonsense.
Current cultural zeitgeist notwithstanding, men are not doofus jerk assholes who lie and cheat any more than women are always wise and wonderful.
Some people are trustworthy, others are not.
Just as many shrill bitches as aggressive assholes...
And Just as many wonderful women as admirable men.
Look, I don't want to seem like a woman hater, because I am not, so don't bite my head off, but I am EXTREMELY reluctant to go into a relationship with one.
After "The Game" came out and all that Pick Up Artist stuff started emerging, I started to dabble in it myself, and the way people reacted to it was startling. I feel that if a guy is good enough, your girl won't be able to say no to him.
Now, I really would like to have a girlfriend but I just don't believe that she will be able to be faithful to me. Love me? Sure, but if a player comes a long I just don't think she will be a able to restrain herself.
Let me just settle a few things, though. I have no problem meeting women who are interested in me, and we do have a great time... For a while... But I know quite a few guys who are VERY good PickUp artists, and they pull women with boyfriends like it's nothing. It's like some biological instinct more powerful than any logical reasoning can cope with just gets flipped on - and they cheat.
On average, i would trust more than 2% of women to be faithful, if given the opportunity to be charmed by these guys. Ironically, I would be stronger inclined to trust women who have been cheated ON, because they know how it feels on a deep emotional level.
Now, as I stated earlier, don't bite my head off. Let's get a healthy discussion going.
(BWT, if anyone intends to bring out the "Men cheat more than women" - card, the latest statistics I've read puts women slightly in the lead. About 52%...)
If you're picking women that are vulnerable to game, you may want to change the type of woman you're picking. Someone that isn't sold on appearances or sold by talk alone.
Nonsense.
Pandering PC nonsense.
Current cultural zeitgeist notwithstanding, men are not doofus jerk assholes who lie and cheat any more than women are always wise and wonderful.
Some people are trustworthy, others are not.
I have met admirable women, and admirable men.
And I have met members of both sexes that are worthless.
The fact that worthless women are worthless in different ways than worthless men, does not mean they are better...
I have seen no discrepancy in numbers...
Just as many shrill bitches as aggressive assholes...
And Just as many wonderful women as admirable men.
Never dyed my hair, now I may be bold and get some highlights this year. But hey speaking of hair color...I have seen men dye their hair....DOES THAT MAKE THEM A FAKE???Great post. Like Chris Rock's rant on women, their whole life is a lie.
She has heels on, she's not that tall! I am not able to wear heels, I have to wear pumps or flats. I am 5'7" tall nothing to hide.
Hell I bet it was a man that created them damn uncomfortable high heel shoes anyway.
She is wearing a push up bra, her tits dont look that good!
I don't have to wear a push up bra. Very hard to find a push up bra in a 38DDD. Hell, the only thing they sell us is a breast minimizer.
She is wearing makeup, her face doesnt look that good!
I wear very little makeup. I prefer the natural look when it comes to makeup. I believe in good skin care and makeup is not good for that. At least on my skin.
But I do like to wear moisturizer to soften and even tone my face and a little lipstick to bring out my lips.
She dyed her hair, her hair isnt that color!
I was talking to a friend about this recently. He's been cheated on by his boyfriends twice and yet he's still optimistic and open that the right one is out there. He doesn't have the negative view that I have of monogamy.
I don't like the men cheat more than women thing, because you're going to be more sensitive to the infractions of others if you are a victim. Case in point, how tired women are hearing about the latest politician, athlete that are busted having an affair or with a prostitute.
If you're picking women that are vulnerable to game, you may want to change the type of woman you're picking. Someone that isn't sold on appearances or sold by talk alone.