I think George Bush is sexy and smart.

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Bush is smart? :eek:
where do you live? In Wonderland? :rolleyes:
He's just a marionette of the oil and weapon lobby. Sorry, but in my humble opinion Bush is pretty dumb. I.e. his inability to discuss.
 

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MattBrick said:
George Bush is very intellegent. I'm not saying that he is as intellegent as many other former US presidents. He certainly is not as good a communicator as many of his predecessors. He is a good deal smarter than most of you though. ( and me too probably)


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He might be more "intellegent" than you...maybe...

If he's so damn smart, list one smart thing he's done while in office. I'm not a Bush-basher, only because it seems the "cool thing to do" nowadays and I avoid that like the plague.

Hell, one of the funniest things I enjoy doing is waltzing into a liberal/democratic honeycomb (like LPSG.org for example) and professing the depth of my love and admiration for 'ole Dubbya. Try it, it melts their faces. I swear, I've seen it :p...

Hell, I'll listen to any argument about Bush whether for or against, just back it up with something other than "HE'S A DUMBASS LOLZZZ1!" or "he's intellegent".
 

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Snakebyte said:
Bush is smart? :eek:
where do you live? In Wonderland? :rolleyes:
He's just a marionette of the oil and weapon lobby. Sorry, but in my humble opinion Bush is pretty dumb. I.e. his inability to discuss.
Which hits me as strange on this board that you see George as a a marionette since up until this poinht for the last couple of years I have read all around that George makes all the decisions himself and that is why he is to be viewed as an idiot. Now you tell me he doesn't n make the decisions that they are orders from othere people.

Whether he is or is not an idiot probably is something which could be debated over for the rest of all time. I figure he can't be too bright since he went for a second 4 years of verbal abuse. The truth of the matter is that George seems to be of adequate intelligence to get through the day to day tasks and like him or not we have another 2+ years of him before his brother takes over.

Getting back to sexy and smart topic--in Kennedy/Nixon it was Kennedy's appearance in the debates which helped garner him quite a few extra votes. It could be argued that in Clinton/Bush-1 Clinton had a better appearance and charm than Bush-1 and gained a few votes, same happened with Bush-2/Gore and Bush-2/Kerry. One of the things which George has is an ability to connect with the people in one to one communication. This is what helped Clinton. Lack of that helped do in both Gore and Kerry.

Sexy? Well I wouldn't mind doing him although I would prefer his brother Jeb and his father over him but we each have our own definition of sexy--hell some have even accused me of being sexy.
 

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GoneA said:
Originally Posted by grizzleyjake
Yes, I disagree with him on gay marriage [...] nor does that make him an idiot.

therefore,

Ughh, I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but, yes it does.

First let me say I think GWB is as close to the most powerful village idiot ever elected to office as makes no difference and about as sexy as a traffic accident. However I disagree with the premise of your statement as it appears to have been presented : As a simple statement of fact?

Merely having an unpopular view on a given does not make one an idiot, neither does holding to that view in the face of overwhelming evidence or opinion doubting it's validity or value; it may make one stubborn almost certainly, stupid - possibly not not necessarily - it could also make them a far sighted visionary, it has happened!

I think those who believe in religion are misguided but I don't think they are idiots, I can't because many are far far smarter than me. It's called having an opinion, lots of very smart people have them, and guess what? Lots of other very smart people hold opposing views, does that make them ALL stupid?

<idealism>
Making such blanket statements will surely only lead to further divisions and drive prople apart not help bring them together or promote tolerance when that's not possible. A person believes <insert view here> so if I don't that means A is stupid?
</idealism>

Now, before any real idiots infer this as :

A statement of support for Bush on the issue of Gay Marriage.
or,
A statement of support for Bush on well, just about anything really.

IT IS NOT! AND YOU WOULD NEED TO BE AN IDIOT TO INFER THAT - SEE HOW EASY IT IS.:tongue:
 

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This is just a prime example of Un-educated voters.

Don't Vote until you know the facts of where the people stand.

(And yes, MZ, again you are correct...seems to be an influx of Multi-personalities joining lately. It is October..all the freaks come out)
 

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madame_zora said:
I just think bush is stupid, and that is a comment based on his behavior, not his IQ.

On that I agree in terms of raw intelligence, but as I've said before confusing intelligence with 'smartness' is risky at best. In this context one can lack either and still be of great value. If Bush's agenda was to subvert the decocratic process, alienate and marginalise those social groups he abhors and ensure his place in history I'd say he has been extremely successful, and that indicates smartness (or huge lumps of luck).
 

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Nitrofiend said:
Hell, one of the funniest things I enjoy doing is waltzing into a liberal/democratic honeycomb (like LPSG.org for example) and professing the depth of my love and admiration for 'ole Dubbya. Try it, it melts their faces. I swear, I've seen it :p...

No one picked up on it the first time...
 

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dong20 said:
Perhaps because it's effect, not substance. Your point being?

My point is that it seems to delineate the source of this thread...

The launch of the thread into substance-based arguments is exactly the kind of knee-jerk response the original poster intended for. Nearly everyone here hates Bush for one reason or another, and these points have been brought up numerous times, so this thread was mostly likely a joke played at the Bush-bashers' expense. Posting substance just continues the joke.
 

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Nitrofiend said:
My point is that it seems to delineate the source of this thread...

The launch of the thread into substance-based arguments is exactly the kind of knee-jerk response the original poster intended for. Nearly everyone here hates Bush for one reason or another, and these points have been brought up numerous times, so this thread was mostly likely a joke played at the Bush-bashers' expense. Posting substance just continues the joke.

Of course, and I was just trying to err, provoke a reaction. I don't hate Bush, I've never met the man and I don't know him at all so how could I? I only 'hate' a large chunk of what he has done. I doubt many thought this thread was intended to be 'substantive' but sometimes a little whimsy can provoke a little wisdom.:biggrin1:
 

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madame_zora said:
Um, we've probably been "had" folks. Both chinagirl and grizzlyjake joined in aug. of this year and neither have many posts. Probably the same (stupid) person.

My sense is that you're right. But it makes for good volley. Chances are neither will chime in again I say.:rolleyes:

However MZ, it's always revitalizing and reassuring to have another go at the man who once said;

"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur".

What d20 says too has merit.

Intelligence? No. Yet personality traits like cleverness and deviousness generally go hand-in-hand with one who has a malevolent quicksilver quality to him.

Bush has that in good measure (let alone a rather canny ability to choose real intellects with whom to surround himself).

It's a toxic mix.

That's why he's monstrously dangerous.
 

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Stronzo said:
My sense is that you're right. But it makes for good volley. Chances are neither will chime in again I say.:rolleyes:

However MZ, it's always revitalizing and reassuring to have another go at the man who once said;

"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur".

What d20 says too has merit.

Intelligence? No. Yet personality traits like cleverness and deviousness generally go hand-in-hand with one who has a malevolent quicksilver quality to him.

Bush has that in good measure (let alone a rather canny ability to choose real intellects with whom to surround himself).

It's a toxic mix.

That's why he's monstrously dangerous.

He's only intelligent enough to realize he needs assistance and that's why he's adept at choosing such people. I agree with dong20, Texas is obviously not looking for their village idiot--they know exactly where to find him.

Personally, intelligence is a real aphrodisiac so Bush does niente for me
 

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dong20 said:
Merely having an unpopular view on a given does not make one an idiot, neither does holding to that view in the face of overwhelming evidence or opinion doubting it's validity or value; it may make one stubborn almost certainly, stupid - possibly not not necessarily - it could also make them a far sighted visionary, it has happened!

Um, if anyone has any qualms about (or takes even the slightest exception to) same-sex individuals finding a physical attraction towards each other, they're pretty much an idiot to me. Furthermore, let me assure that GWB is nothing approaching a far-sighted visionary – call it a hunch. :rolleyes:

Barring that [not that you're opposed to it, I don't think], I agree with your overall point, however.
 

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GoneA said:
Um, if anyone has any qualms about (or takes even the slightest exception to) same-sex individuals finding a physical attraction towards each other, they're pretty much an idiot to me. Furthermore, let me assure that GWB is nothing approaching a far-sighted visionary &#8211; call it a hunch. :rolleyes:

Barring that [not that you're opposed to it, I don't think], I agree with your overall point, however.

Thanks, that's the danger of personal views you see, they're personal and condemning those who hold views differing to ones own as idiots is hardly a good start toward overcoming or even understanding those differences. It was really only that general point I was trying to make; that judgementalism is not a good starting point.

As for the subject to which you referred, which was not the subject of my post but which I was afraid it could become, you are right; I couldn't care less about who finds who attractive, or not.

No, I wasn't suggesting that GWB was a visionary! I fail to see how anyone could infer that from that post or my previous posts about him.
 

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grizzleyjake said:
believe it or not, Virginia, there really are gay republicans.
I think it is ashame that Virginia makes them demit office after they are found out. Why can't they carry on in their official capacities as gay men? Will the Republican Party ever be that mature?
 

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dong20 said:
Thanks, that's the danger of personal views you see, they're personal and condemning those who hold views differing to ones own as idiots is hardly a good start toward overcoming or even understanding those differences. It was really only that general point I was trying to make; that judgementalism is not a good starting point.
Um hum. I saw that point and I definitely agree. However, at the moment I thinks if safe to call GWB an idiot. He has shown us time and time again his refusal to reason and his desire to remain steadfast in his misguided ideologies. Unfortunately, he has left us no other option but to judge him for the man he really is -- judging is not a good starting point, but we are very much beyond that point with him.

At any rate, I'm going off on a tangent here; preaching to the converted, if you will. You're point above is one with which I agree.
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As for the subject to which you referred, which was not the subject of my post but which I was afraid it could become, you are right; I couldn't care less about who finds who attractive, or not.
Well, I only brought it up because that's what I was referencing in my first post -- the one you quoted. I know you were speaking to the general idea of my post (or purposely 'taking it out of context'), but I felt the need to elaborate/clarify nonetheless. (Are you sensing a pattern of tangentiality, yet?):wink:

dong20 said:
No, I wasn't suggesting that GWB was a visionary! I fail to see how anyone could infer that from that post or my previous posts about him.
I know you weren't actually suggesting that GWB is/was a visionary. You suggested that people like him can ultimately turn out to be one -- I was stating, generally, that he is not and my &#8220;hunch&#8221; tells me he won&#8217;t be viewed as one in the near or far future (by those who have originally opposed him, anyway).
 

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GoneA said:

Um hum. I saw that point and I definitely agree. However, at the moment I thinks if safe to call GWB an idiot. He has shown us time and time again his refusal to reason and his desire to remain steadfast in his misguided ideologies. Unfortunately, he has left us no other option but to judge him for the man he really is -- judging is not a good starting point, but we are very much beyond that point with him.


I think you're correct about Bush....but you got my general point so all's well.

GoneA said:
At any rate, I'm going off on a tangent here; preaching to the converted, if you will. You're point above is one with which I agree....
GoneA said:
Well, I only brought it up because that's what I was referencing in my first post -- the one you quoted. I know you were speaking to the general idea of my post (or purposely 'taking it out of context'), but I felt the need to elaborate/clarify nonetheless. (Are you sensing a pattern of tangentiality, yet?):wink:

If you're anything like me, some of my best thinking is done at a tangent!

GoneA said:
I know you weren't actually suggesting that GWB is/was a visionary. You suggested that people like him can ultimately turn out to be one -- I was stating, generally, that he is not and my &#8220;hunch&#8221; tells me he won&#8217;t be viewed as one in the near or far future (by those who have originally opposed him, anyway).

Not so much Bush but those who have ideas that seem (at the time) so out of left field they and their ideas are reviled and shunned. The Earth NOT being flat for example or it NOT being the centre of the universe, or Gravity. Ideas that can get you killed. Bush is as we both agree not even playing the same game let alone in the same league of thinkers of that calibre.:smile: