sorry, I did not really tell all, but yes, I did do the stretching first, before jelqing, and then usually after as well. That one where you stretch in all directions, up down sideways. As I said, tried to follow all advice without a pump or a full-time stretching device. I'm not too devastated. All my women have said I was big, and I have bottomed out on a few, so I guess I'm OK. Like I said, just curious if it would work. Gotta say, it was a LOT of work to do all those jelqs every day! I guess I am just one of the ones who gave up. Too bad none of the pills work.
Everyday? That was probably the issue. Not enough rest.
In High School and College, I took weight training. For all those who know how to train, prepare to laugh. This was my routine:
Monday: 3 sets of bench press, normal
3 sets of Decline Brench press.
3 sets of Incline bench press.
Wednesday and Friday, the same.
Oh, and no post workout meal or shake.
I wondered why I would never get stronger or get bigger.
Doing 9 sets for the same muscle group 3 times a week without enough rest to recover was getting me nowhere. In high school, I hated how the guys not in our class would come in and just be able to lift heavier weight then I could and they had not "trained" like I did.
When I learned about how the body works and trained right, I finally got results.
So, you may want to try PE again, just take a different approach. But you are right. It is alot of work so you really have to want it that bad.