I was just told by a gay man that i'm in denial and should be ashamed of myself.

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ok this happens a lot. Guys hit me up on kik because they got my kik from here and that's fine. Then they automatically assume I'm gay because I'm on this site, not bothering to check my profile. (Common mistake) when I tell them I'm straight they are cool with it and usually at least say a sorry bro. And it's all good. But this guy just kept being rude to me. He told me I was wrong and that I am a sad person that's in denial and that my attitude was awefull oh and I'm a horrible closet case. WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!! All the gays want to be still be respected because they are gay and proud and shit so it's a two way street. I shouldn't have to take any kind of shit from a gay because I'm straight.

So delete your profile. Advertise on RSVP as a totally 100% straight dude and be done with it. But, you don't, do you?

Such a cross to bear in this internet age.

Hang on, while I get my hanky out to wipe the tears from my eyes...........from laughing.

If your face is as outdated as your undies, I can understand why women do not contact you.

Just smile and take the internet as it is. Geeeze.
 
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People on this website seem to have very differing opinions of what 100% straight means. My profile says 100% straight and I've had messages from other "100% straight" men asking if I want to jerk off with them or humiliate their small dick... not the straightest behaviour if you ask me.

I've actually found the gay men on this website to be way more respectful. They'll pay me a nice compliment but don't seem to expect anything in return. The weird and rude messages I get tend to be from "straight" guys.
 

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I am a bisexual guy who mostly hooks up with women and the most disparaging and cruelest comments I’ve ever heard about bisexual or bicurious people have ALL been said by gay people. Bisexual people are very often the butt of the joke for gay people. This is perhaps why bisexual people are much less likely to be open and honest about their sexuality than gay people are and why many of them including myself will never consider themselves a part of the “LGBT community” whatever the fuck that is. Gay people can be just as closed minded, regressive, and hurtful as straight people unfortunately.
ok this happens a lot. Guys hit me up on kik because they got my kik from here and that's fine. Then they automatically assume I'm gay becaus I'm on this site, not bothering to check my profile. (Common mistake) when I tell them I'm straight they are cool with it and usually at least say a sorry bro. And it's all good. But this guy just kept being rude to me. He told me I was wrong and that I am a sad person that's in denial and that my attitude was awefull oh and I'm a horrible closet case. WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!! All the gays want to be still be respected because they are gay and proud and shit so it's a two way street. I shouldn't have to take any kind of shit from a gay because I'm straight.
ok this happens a lot. Guys hit me up on kik because they got my kik from here and that's fine. Then they automatically assume I'm gay because I'm on this site, not bothering to check my profile. (Common mistake) when I tell them I'm straight they are cool with it and usually at least say a sorry bro. And it's all good. But this guy just kept being rude to me. He told me I was wrong and that I am a sad person that's in denial and that my attitude was awefull oh and I'm a horrible closet case. WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!! All the gays want to be still be respected because they are gay and proud and shit so it's a two way street. I shouldn't have to take any kind of shit from a gay because I'm straight.
 

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I am a bisexual guy who mostly hooks up with women and the most disparaging and cruelest comments I’ve ever heard about bisexual or bicurious people have ALL been said by gay people. Bisexual people are very often the butt of the joke for gay people. This is perhaps why bisexual people are much less likely to be open and honest about their sexuality than gay people are and why many of them including myself will never consider themselves a part of the “LGBT community” whatever the fuck that is. Gay people can be just as closed minded, regressive, and hurtful as straight people unfortunately.

Yes I agree that there are some very close-minded gay people because gay people are... people. People can be very close-minded. Its ironic how close-minded some gay people can be as well.

I noticed you say you are bisexual, would you say a man who keeps making private groups, Kik groups and topics discussing younger hung siblings, young guys dick size and young hung hunks as someone who is 100% straight? Personally I don't care how said person would identify but I do have a slight issue with them getting upset if someone came to a different conclusion after seeing those topics and groups. Of course not many would know the same person who did all that made this topic.

In an isolated discussion, what's happening is very wrong to harass another over their identity and even say they are in denial. BUT after seeing more evidence prior to the event, its more clear to see why it happened. NOT SAYING IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THOUGH, IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY THE GAY GUY

It's a clunky comparison but it would be like a vegetarian who constantly makes topics with recipes on how to prepare Steak, Meatloaf Turkey. Constantly making remarks on how well cooked meat is best. Posting pics and making groups for Bacon lovers. Someone is probably going to question if they are vegetarian and it would seem silly for them to get very upset if someone didn't quite believe them.
 

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Yes I agree that there are some very close-minded gay people because gay people are... people. People can be very close-minded. Its ironic how close-minded some gay people can be as well.

I noticed you say you are bisexual, would you say a man who keeps making private groups, Kik groups and topics discussing younger hung siblings, young guys dick size and young hung hunks as someone who is 100% straight? Personally I don't care how said person would identify but I do have a slight issue with them getting upset if someone came to a different conclusion after seeing those topics and groups. Of course not many would know the same person who did all that made this topic.

In an isolated discussion, what's happening is very wrong to harass another over their identity and even say they are in denial. BUT after seeing more evidence prior to the event, its more clear to see why it happened. NOT SAYING IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THOUGH, IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY THE GAY GUY

It's a clunky comparison but it would be like a vegetarian who constantly makes topics with recipes on how to prepare Steak, Meatloaf Turkey. Constantly making remarks on how well cooked meat is best. Posting pics and making groups for Bacon lovers. Someone is probably going to question if they are vegetarian and it would seem silly for them to get very upset if someone didn't quite believe them.
I think we all define our own sexuality, and if you think he is gay or bi that’s your opinion but I guess I just don’t understand why you would feel the need to insert yourself and tell someone else that their sexuality is wrong or incorrect. I think we need more sex positivity in our culture and less judgement. Personally I think sexuality is fluid and that is a really difficult thing for a lot of people to navigate. It took me a really long time to figure out that I was bisexual because I never even knew that was an option. I needed to experiment and figure it out for myself. It’s really hard to do that when you have both gay and straight people popping up with judgemental comments and you’re already confused in the first place. Maybe you should just allow him the privacy and space to live his life the way he wants to, which I assume is what you expect from people also.
 

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Again, we downplay the taboo of male homosexuality in LPSG, as if there are no biases. In other words, gay and straight are on level planes. But we all know that is far from the truth, despite the progress that that LGTB community has made in the past 20 years or so.

I couldn't imagine any of these 100% straight men arguing with me if I told them liked chunky women when they didn't. They would just blow me off after a while and ignore me, even if I wasn't being lighthearted about it. You simply know that you aren't into chunky women - that's it. You wouldn't go on and on and on about how you don't like chunky women and then try to convince everyone you don't like chunky women.

However, when it comes to be mislabeled as gay when identify as 100% straight, that's the end of the world. We fight non-stop, trying to convince everyone how heterosexual we are, day-in, day-out. It becomes an obsession. Instead of just saying, "I'm straight and only date women, I am fascinated by big peni." And that's the end of the story. You don't know need to defend why you're on here because you somehow feel "guiltily gay" about it. It's only normal men would join a large dick as they have a dick themselves. Most men have in an interest in large peni for bragging rights, visual stimulation, vicarious living, penile enlargement, etc. That doesn't make you gay or bi - it just confirms your natural curiosities you have regarding the very organ you yourself possess between your legs.

Again, the taboo of male homosexuality is so downplayed on here.

There are cruel people of all sexual orientations, preferences, etc, by the way. That should come as no surprise if you've lived long enough.

Peace.
 

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I think we all define our own sexuality, and if you think he is gay or bi that’s your opinion but I guess I just don’t understand why you would feel the need to insert yourself and tell someone else that their sexuality is wrong or incorrect.

I agree with you totally

I think we need more sex positivity in our culture and less judgement. Personally I think sexuality is fluid and that is a really difficult thing for a lot of people to navigate. It took me a really long time to figure out that I was bisexual because I never even knew that was an option. I needed to experiment and figure it out for myself.

Yes I'm in agreement as well.

Maybe you should just allow him the privacy and space to live his life the way he wants to, which I assume is what you expect from people also.

I also said I don't care how he identifies at all. I would never say he isn't straight, its his identity. HOWEVER, after seeing his actions its VERY EASY to see why someone might not believe him and think to the contrary. I personally wouldn't tell him that to his face like the guy on Kik did but I can see WHY that guy did what he did.

In an isolated discussion, what's happening is very wrong to harass another over their identity and even say they are in denial. BUT after seeing more evidence prior to the event, its more clear to see why it happened. NOT SAYING IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THOUGH, IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY THE GAY GUY
 

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Maybe you should just allow him the privacy and space to live his life the way he wants to, which I assume is what you expect from people also.

That's absurd. Who expects privacy on a public forum after starting a thread?

If you call someone on their bullshit it means you're not allowing them "space to live their life"?
 

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That's absurd. Who expects privacy on a public forum after starting a thread?

If you call someone on their bullshit it means you're not allowing them "space to live their life"?

You’re right in the sense that that he asked for responses and so he got them. I’m just saying I personally don’t give a shit. And no, I don’t feel the need to find complete strangers and “call them on their bullshit” unless it effects me in some way. I don’t have that much energy
 
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I’m just saying I personally don’t give a shit.

That's not what you're saying at all.

But anyway... Please don't challenge my opinion. Allow me the space and privacy to say whatever I want without having to defend my position. Thanks!!
 

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That's not what you're saying at all.

But anyway... Please don't challenge my opinion. Allow me the space and privacy to say whatever I want without having to defend my position. Thanks!!

I never said anything to you at all. You are the one who started talking to me you fucking skid mark
 
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I am a bisexual guy who mostly hooks up with women and the most disparaging and cruelest comments I’ve ever heard about bisexual or bicurious people have ALL been said by gay people.

I’ve been doing research for a story which centers on a bisexual male in a love triangle. I took a deep dive into this particular aspect of societal acceptance/behavior and completely concur with you. I’ve never been too interested in defining something that for a lot of people is undefinable and/or unnecessary, nor have I ever given a shit how somebody labels themselves - our sexuality is unique and personal, it’s one of the things that I think makes people sexy and interesting. I’ve swallowed the loads and/or been fucked by guys who think of themselves as gay, bi, straight, dunno, whatever. Don’t care, never did, because I’m not there to psychoanalyze you - I’m not a shrink or a sociologist. I’m there to enjoy finding out find how many times I can make you cum before you tap out.

I’ve certainly noticed gay friends make comments or jokes or snide remarks about bi guys, but it never really registered much, probably because I don’t care about that shit. Once I started really digging in on it though... I’m fucking horrified by the viciousness (and irony) of this behavior and attitude.
 

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I’ve been doing research for a story which centers on a bisexual male in a love triangle. I took a deep dive into this particular aspect of societal acceptance/behavior and completely concur with you. I’ve never been too interested in defining something that for a lot of people is undefinable and/or unnecessary, nor have I ever given a shit how somebody labels themselves - our sexuality is unique and personal, it’s one of the things that I think makes people sexy and interesting. I’ve swallowed the loads and/or been fucked by guys who think of themselves as gay, bi, straight, dunno, whatever. Don’t care, never did, because I’m not there to psychoanalyze you - I’m not a shrink or a sociologist. I’m there to enjoy finding out find how many times I can make you cum before you tap out.

I’ve certainly noticed gay friends make comments or jokes or snide remarks about bi guys, but it never really registered much, probably because I don’t care about that shit. Once I started really digging in on it though... I’m fucking horrified by the viciousness (and irony) of this behavior and attitude.
Yeah it is quite ironic and hypocritical. I think a lot of gay people don’t even realize they are doing it, it’s just tribalism. If someone is bisexual, questioning, or unsure, they are considered fair game to be exposed, harassed, and outed, and it is assumed that they are lying, that they are manipulative or trying to “get away” with something. It honestly just makes me really sad.
 

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How is anyone supposed to know what sort of kik group he joined or what he's attracted to from just reading his original post??

That's not the point of this thread really. The point is that what is actually written in the original post, happens on here. And it happens a lot. So what is written here (without delving into the OP's post history) isn't any different from what I was saying.

People like bigbull go on and on about how delusional and in denial we are just because we're on this site. People like him are always going around telling everyone how much we are attracted to men and that we're liars, not really straight and that straight men shouldn't really be here. You should know because you've seen some of the arguments on here. He isn't the only one of course, but I just found it hilarious that bigbull would come in here and act as if he hasn't done more or less exactly what the OP was talking about.

I don't care what sort of kik groups the OP is part of or his post history. The fact of the matter is what is written in this particular thread, HAPPENS. Regularly. You may say that you're cool with straight guys and for us being here, but sadly many don't and have issues with it. It's fact and it's not going to stop.

Totally agree with you on the "everyone's a bit bisexual" being shite, the vast majority of guys are monosexual (i.e. one sex or the other). Also I empathise with you when you talk about people disrepecting your boundaries, it's wrong. But there were a few factors that would likely annoy gay men about the original post, these were mainly language based and if the OP had written it out more thoughtfully, he wouldn't have got bitten as much:


It's easier to explain if I break down additional layers to the OP's post:

1. Creepy gay guys exist = we knew this. Everyone can empathise on this one.

2. Unwanted attention is unpleasant= totally feel you on that one, everyone does.

3. One person automatically assumed the OP was gay = I'm just gonna gently point out the irony of a straight guy coming online onto a site with plenty of gay/bi guys and telling us that. We get this all the time but it happens offline. Everybody assumes that we're straight, whilst we're in the closets, but even after stepping out the closets it still happens the vast majority of the time (unless it's superficially apparent). Think about it, every time we meet a new friend, every time we move and every time we change jobs, basically every single new person we meet we get the same situation on the one the OP has experienced, just the other way round. I get the specific context was different, but nonetheless the choice of adding a phrase like that, came off as really myopic.

It's the last part that would rub us up the wrong way, and the "gay and proud and shit" addition was totally tasteless and mildly offensive. I don't think anyone coming onto an online forum asking for sympathy should add disparaging language, it's not going to go down well.
 

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Totally agree with you on the "everyone's a bit bisexual" being shite, the vast majority of guys are monosexual (i.e. one sex or the other). Also I empathise with you when you talk about people disrepecting your boundaries, it's wrong. But there were a few factors that would likely annoy gay men about the original post, these were mainly language based and if the OP had written it out more thoughtfully, he wouldn't have got bitten as much:


It's easier to explain if I break down additional layers to the OP's post:

1. Creepy gay guys exist = we knew this. Everyone can empathise on this one.

2. Unwanted attention is unpleasant= totally feel you on that one, everyone does.

3. One person automatically assumed the OP was gay = I'm just gonna gently point out the irony of a straight guy coming online onto a site with plenty of gay/bi guys and telling us that. We get this all the time but it happens offline. Everybody assumes that we're straight, whilst we're in the closets, but even after stepping out the closets it still happens the vast majority of the time (unless it's superficially apparent). Think about it, every time we meet a new friend, every time we move and every time we change jobs, basically every single new person we meet we get the same situation on the one the OP has experienced, just the other way round. I get the specific context was different, but nonetheless the choice of adding a phrase like that, came off as really myopic.

It's the last part that would rub us up the wrong way, and the "gay and proud and shit" addition was totally tasteless and mildly offensive. I don't think anyone coming onto an online forum asking for sympathy should add disparaging language, it's not going to go down well.

I totally get your point with the 3 and you are right but a straight man does not understand a gay man "reality" because he never experienced it so nuanced language will not even be thought of when trying to convey an idea. Straight is perceived as the norm. To people that are part of a "minority" group are sensitive to the words they use and perception of language because on a daily basis they are confronted with constantly defining themselves to others and apologizing for their existence. Straight men (and partially straight women) never had to deal with that because they are the norm so that instinct does not come second nature to them. This is why the context of who is making the comment is just as important sometimes as what is being said.


Yeah it is quite ironic and hypocritical. I think a lot of gay people don’t even realize they are doing it, it’s just tribalism. If someone is bisexual, questioning, or unsure, they are considered fair game to be exposed, harassed, and outed, and it is assumed that they are lying, that they are manipulative or trying to “get away” with something. It honestly just makes me really sad.
To add some know damn well what they are doing. I have encounter a few gay men that have a very extreme view of gay pride. They claim all Bisexuals are in denial, all straights are homophobic and hateful and they even spew transphobic bullshit and when you call them out they claim that because they are gay and gays have/are persecuted they are not wrong and have the gall to turn around and call you homophobic.
 

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I totally get your point with the 3 and you are right but a straight man does not understand a gay man "reality" because he never experienced it so nuanced language will not even be thought of when trying to convey an idea. Straight is perceived as the norm. To people that are part of a "minority" group are sensitive to the words they use and perception of language because on a daily basis they are confronted with constantly defining themselves to others and apologizing for their existence. Straight men (and partially straight women) never had to deal with that because they are the norm so that instinct does not come second nature to them. This is why the context of who is making the comment is just as important sometimes as what is being said.

Whilst I do agree with you on why this happens and just about everything else you said. I think we can sum it up as blindess to privilege basically. The only thing is I still wouldn't call it an excuse. And this goes for anytime there is an offline/online inversion of reality when it comes to privilege (the thing is offline privilege begins after you click the x button, but online privilege is only there before), and you see people who don't experience certain things in their lives that other people go through, not bother to use this site as a resource for understanding those experiences. Then they get frustrated (I can see the frustration it's a human emotion if you feel under attack), but don't think well why not find out about these experiences before showing myself as blind to them unintentionally because he felt a single moment of discomfort.

So here of course, straight men in an environment with a disproportionately (compared to the general population) high number of gay/bi guys, then you should use the site as a tool for actually finding out about their experiences, and the way these differ. Then you might have known HOW you actually should write the post, and how you should communicate your frustration with us. This exact same scenario would have happened with any other "minority" dynamic we could name if the situation was comparable, whether that's white people doing that on a largely black website, men doing it on a largely female website, the list could go and on, and the reaction to the badly written post would have been the same.

It's not like any of us are saying, he's a bad person for not "getting it", but it doesn't look good for him if he's not bothered to try doing it in the last ten years. And I'm not talking about anything sexual there, but just try to understand what experiences we go through that differ from his, and a vague idea of how he should word his frustration. Because this has such I know it's an adult site with a penis to face ratio of 50:1, but that resource has been available to him from day one, just a shame he didn't use it. Imagine if he wrote this:

"Look guys, I do appreciate that you guys are constantly being assumed to be straight offline, and I do understand that this is the online world, not the offline world. I know I should have blocked him on kik, maybe I could have stated that explicitly too on the kik group. I get you go through different experiences than me, but there was a guy who wasn't taking no for an answer and wouldn't respect that I am actually straight. I do get he may get he may have come with a false impression because there are guys who aren't not being honest with themselves about their sexuality when they write 100% straight, I know you guys know they lurk in the chat rooms, but in my case it is true. Do you have any advice?"

I can't imagine that post ever receiving an adverse reaction, because.it showed a basic understanding and awareness of how experiences of the world differ. And plus a tiny bit of self-reflection of what it's like when the shoe is on the other foot (because it will be the only place he'll ever experience it) might just have given hiim an insight into what homophobia is like and what other men who are different from him go through.
 
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Once again, Luke I said he made an assumption. he showed me the standard pic of ass cheeks spread close up of his asshole and I said please don't send me those pics I don't like seeing them. And he said "but your gay" and I corrected him. And that's when he told me I was wrong. I never asked to see that pic of his ass. He never asked me if I wanted to see it in the first place. He just sent it to me.