Identifying Hate Groups and What They Are Doing

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  1. Freddie53

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    WHO ARE THE HATE GROUPS IN YOUR AREA? WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES? WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING?

    This thread is about listing the hate groups and what they are doing. My church e-mail network sent out this web address that shows where the hate groups are in Aransas by name, what town, and a map that sows approximately where the towns are located.The list of hate crimes done in Arkansas is also available.

    Some of these have very innocent sounding names like The Church of Jesus Christ. And other group names might not be caught be the reader as an organized hate group.

    We need to know who these people are and take them on when they go public with some agenda they have, especaily the ones that have innocent names to hide their intent and dirty work.

    I want to make a list of as many states in the USA and provinces and countries of as many nation as we can. I will then put them together in one list.

    I hope someone from every area will find the infomration for your area and send it here. Arkansas's information came from the Southern Poverty Law Center. All three querstions at the top are answered with this one web site.

    ARKANSAS - USA

    http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?S=AR&m=4

    I can't make this do the short cut. So copy and then paste to your browser to read Arkansas's information. I am sad that we have them here. I hope we can some day have none here. I can hope and pray that will happen.

    Thanks
     
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    This seems kind of ironic, like forming a hate group that hates hate groups. If the point is to respect everyone's opinions, don't you have to respect what they hate as well?

    This isn't to say I agree with anything these hate groups are saying, just trying to get people to look at this a little differently.
     
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    No.

    It may seem logical until you're the target of one such group. And no, I don't think the point is to respect everyone's opinions. That's certainly not my point.
     
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    Great thread Fred.

    There's one my boyfriend's brother has gotten involved with:

    It's called the "North River Community Church" which claims to be "nondenomination" (code for intolerant). They breathe intolerance to such a degree that when the petition was circulated here in Massachusetts to sign against gay marriage and have it put to popular vote the necessary signatures were gotten to have the legalization of gay marriage abolished by popular vote in 2008.

    To that end a very interesting group called "Know Thy Neighbor" has published all the names of those who signed this petition:

    www.KnowThyNeighbor.org

    I've found two family members on that list too (as well as my partner's brother and wife).


    Oddly these same people are hugely up in arms that their names have been published by Know Thy Neighbor.
     
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    When I read the referenced response Matthew I just knew it was the response of a heterosexual. It was too.

    As you say: "Until you're a target...":rolleyes:
     
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    How much respect do you have for the Klan?

    The point is not to hate them, but to counteract their influence on politics and public opinion. This is what MLK did without using hate. The hate groups' speech is protected from government interference, but that doesn't mean you should not write letters to the editor or campaign against their politics. Nothing unAmerican about that.
     
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    I understand that most people aren't able to feel the same way as i do about this issue. But I don't think it's right to persecute anyone for their beliefs, whether they act on it or not is different.

    I respect that the K.K.K. has an opinion and that they have every right to have that opinion. I don't respect some of the things they have done in the name of their belief. But I believe they have every right to try and influence the world in their way. They are people too and have the same inalienable rights as anyone else.

    It's pretty ignorant to say "until you're the target" to me. Everyone has been the subject of hate in their life, even heterosexual white males. Infact right now we are more hated than anyone in the world, not to say we have it the worst or anything (obviously). But that's besides the point. By the way, comparing the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement is ridiculous, I shouldn't have to explain this.

    I agree with the statement about MLK. He was a great leader and achieved alot without the use of hate. There are very few people who can do that. I find it very ironic that when I make a statement showing how hating another hate group is just a form of a hate group, you all seem to start hating me. That's alot of hate.
     
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    It's funny that you say that, because in fact your statement above struck me as exactly that - pretty ignorant. In terms of people hating you, all anyone has done was disagree with your opinion. That's not hate. No one has said anything to you that's more harsh than your post above. I know this may sound disrespectful, but I truly believe you lack a lot of perspective on what it's like to walk in other people's shoes. Heterosexual white males the most hated in the world? Maybe in Bizarro world, but in this one the exact opposite is true.
     
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    Like i said, I know you can't understand my way of thinking, most people can't. I used the word hate creatively to make a more interesting sentence, that's what alot of writers do. It's an exaggeration, but it made a great sentence and it helps proove my point.

    That being said, your last post does sound hateful, especially when you know the actually definition, look it up.

    My first post was not hateful at all, I was pointing how ironic it is to hate a hate group, you can't deny that irony.

    If you don't think white males (especially Americans) are the most hated in the world then you need to travel. Maybe you shouldn't express your opinion on how hated straight while american males are if you aren't one and have not experienced the hate yourself.

    You are the one lacking perspective. The views I stated above show that I have the perspective necessary to be able to appreciate anyone's opinions despite whether they are wrong in my opinion. You obviously can't do that based on your post.
     
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    Dude - get over yourself. There is nothing more subjective or incendiary in what I wrote than what you wrote.

    And yes, I see the world completely differently than you, and I do think you're trippin. But I agree that it's all a matter of perspective. I don't kid myself that you and I are going to come to agreement on this.
     
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    i'm not aware of any "hate groups" per se in my locality, although there are large sectors of the population who hate each other's guts (the most incendiary and publicly obvious being indians and pakistanis). doesn't seem like there's a great deal of difference to me whether they got a name and an office or not - hatred is still hatred.
     
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    Sigh. Its a common wingnut tactic to try to derail conversations about hate groups by putting the participants on the defensive and conflating what constitutes a hate group.
     
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    D'oh! Can't believe I fell for it. I should have been tipped off by the "how dare you compare gay rights to civil rights!" comment. Good catch, Speedo.
     
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    Sigh, it's easy to derail someones opinions by calling them names and not offering any points.

    I'm sorry you feel like this is a fight, but I thought these discussion threads were intended for DISCUSSION. Another feature of the forum is that you can go back and copy and paste what someone said so that you aren't misquoting them, you shuold try there. There is a big difference between what you claim I said and what I actually said. If you really think that the gay rights movement is comparable with the civil rights movement, then you need to read a book. Look at the death toll, that should be enough. Did they ever round up gays, chain them up, take them from their home and force them to work for nothing?

    If you're going to participate in a thread about hate, you should know the actually definition, here it is:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hate

    See how what you've said to me was hateful now. I didn't say anything like that to you.

    I tried to make a valid point and you're just dismissing it because you don't agree, but you haven't made any points to defend your position. You've just insulted me.

    I'm going to simplify this for you, because you'll never understand if I don't:

    Hate groups hate certain people as part of their belief system.

    You obviously hate those hate groups and the people in them.

    Therefore, part of your belief system is to hate that group of people (hate groups) based on their belief.

    Call me names if you want, "if you've got hate in your heart, let it out."
     
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    I like that

    The area I live in very Liberal so the hate here is odd compared to lots of parts of the country because the majority of people here hate the people who hate other people based on some things such as race, sexuality, or anything else.
     
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    I don't hate anyone. Anyone here can tell you that hate is the farthest thing from my mind. But hate groups are groups that hate a certain group. The Klan has taken blacks out and tortured them. They have taken blacks and tied them to the back of a truck and dragged them to their death. One hate group killed a young man several years ago through torture because he was gay and the story made international headlines.

    No I am not going to respect their beliefs. I am not going to hate them. But I want to identify them and the methods they are using to distribute their hatred of people. If someone hated you enough to kill you, and I knew it. Would you want me to say, "O I hate it about IntactMale, a hate group has formed a possy and they are going to IntactMale's house and they are gonig to torture him until death. But I have to respect their beliefs. I don't want to be accused of hating hate groups, so I am just not going to call the police. But I am going to IntactMale's funeral afterwards and give my condolances to the family. And if his body is still recongizable, I will go and view it. I know Intact will understand. He did a big service you know. He gave up his life so I wouldn't be accused of hating hate groups."

    That quote is bullshit. And I will go one further. If someone honestly has a problem with identifying the hate groups in your town who might kill your son or your daughter or perhaps you yourself because they hate you, then I would say that person is probably a member of a hate group or would be a member if the hate group of choice had a hate club locally.

    If that shoe fits you sorry. If it doesn't I am very glad.

    No way am I going to respect the beliefs of a group of people who believe that Hitler was a hero for killing six million Jews. No way am I going to respect the beliefs of a group of people who hate blacks and wish America had exterminated all black people living in the United States. No way am I going to respect a group of people who hate gays and lesbians and want to kill every one they can identify.

    Yeah, they have a right to hold those beliefs. They have a right to say what they believe. I have a right to decide whether I want to respect them or not. That is my right too. This is NOT ABOUT HATING HATE GROUPS. IT IS ABOUT IDENTIFYING GROUPS WHOSE AGENDA IS TO DO SERIOUS HARM TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE. These hate groups have secret memberships and meet in secret. Wonder Why?

    I will not respect people whose agenda is to kill, maim, and destroy the lives of other people. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. I will not hate them. I will be kind to them. I will stop and help them if they need assistance. But respect them. Never.
     
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    I completely Agree, that makes so much sense that I feel I do not need to throw anything in, though there was a story, but it does not fit in this thread, again Freddie thank you for expressing what I couldn't manifest into words.
     
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    Check your history. Gay men have been tortured, rediculed and killed countless times for their sexual orientation Not only Jews were sent to concentration camps and gas ovens. Every known gay in Hitler's empire suffered the very sme fate. Hitler was generous, he hated lots of people. Only half of the total that Hitler had killled, a total of 17 million, were Jews. And you ask me to respect the Nazi Party and Hitler. Surely you jest!

    Truth is you are just trying to hijack my thread so that people won't come forward and help itentify the groups that are planning in secret to do harm to innocent people.

    NOW LET'S GET BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD. THANK DR. ROCK FOR YOUR COMMENT. ONLY YOU HAVE RESPONDED TO THE REQUEST SO FAR. THANKS.
     
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    Holding people accountable for their ethics is not the same as "hating" them. Straights are accountable to gays, not for them, just as whites are accountable to blacks (not for them) and men are accountable to women for actions and decisions that affect them. This is the basic principle of ethics. Kings thought they were accountable only to God for the way they treated their subjects, not to the subjects themselves. There were ethical problems with that approach even with the nicest kings.

    Certain straights think they have similar regal rights when it comes to making decisions that affect gays. But that goes against the basic principles of accountability and ethics. Pointing that out is not a matter of hating people. It's a matter of educating them. If more straights were quicker about doing this, perhaps we wouldn't have so many lunatic homophobes in the world. The good thing about all of this is that if something is not ethical, it can't be religious. Good to remember next time you meet the "religious" right in a bar.
     
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    Quick story, somewhere in the U.S. a car crash occurred between a car with one person in it (Young Woman) and a car with four college students (Males). 3 ambulances were dispatched, the fire dept. rescued the woman first and she was quickly taken to the hospital in 1 ambulance. The back bumper of the car with the four college students had a rainbow flag on it and so the remain paramedics refused to rescue (Along with the Fire dpt.) the boys and let them die in the car if they were not killed upon impact. It turns out that one of the four males was a homosexual, bluntly showing how stupid there already stupid acts were, and how there homophobic beliefs got 4 people killed, 4 of the personal involved quit immediately following the incident the rest of the paramedics were fired by AMR (Which is how I heard the story is because they told us the story in training, in attempt to convince that everyone no matter who they are is equal and deserve the same treatment.[True]) The fire dept. personal who did not quit were suspended but were reinstated latter.

    Now I give a Portland Metro Update, the entire metro is very safe excluding one area that could be considered "The Ghetto" near Lombard, If someone who is openly gay or Muslim enters that area they can expect to be jumped, stabbed, or attacked, unless you have an escort who lives around there. In the Vancouver area (Not technicaly the metro a suburb right outside the city) The safe places are Downtown and Fishers landing outside that area you can expect people to band together and treat anyone who is not white badly and snub them and anyone gay or from outside the country as sex offenders, they may attack your house, lawn, car, or even you. The orchards area is very racist as well. Again though Anywhere in Portland is fine (Including Hillsburow and Gresham) is safe.
     
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