Identifying Hate Groups and What They Are Doing

[IntactMale]

Even more hate, now I'm being accused of protecting people. If anything I've added to this thread, nobody posted any responses before me. If you think it's fair to release a list of the names of people in hate groups, then the same should be alright for any other type of group. Anybody on LPSG gets their name released, anyone who is gay. I was trying to open your mind a little bit, hating is only perpetuating all the shit in the world.

To make something clear, I said that you have to respect someone's right to believe whatever they want. Not that you have to respect what they believe or how they act on those beliefs.

I understand that most people aren't able to feel the same way as i do about this issue. But I don't think it's right to persecute anyone for their beliefs, whether they act on it or not is different.

I respect that the K.K.K. has an opinion and that they have every right to have that opinion. I don't respect some of the things they have done in the name of their belief. But I believe they have every right to try and influence the world in their way. They are people too and have the same inalienable rights as anyone else.

I haven't been hostile to anyone on this thread, and look at all the hate coming back at me. Use semantics as much as you want, but it's hate.

The three examples posted pale in comparison to the civil rights movement. I never said homosexuals haven't been persecuted, obviously they have, but it's simply uncomparable to what happened during the civil rights movements.


If were going to talk about ethics let's talk about this topic. You want to release a list of the names of people in hate groups. Why? So all the people who are strongly opposed to them will go commit murders in the name of their cause. It's this kind of thinking that causes situations like in the middle east, where everyone hates each other because one time long ago something happened, and people can't let go of their hate. You are the same people.

I don't know of any hate groups in my area, I know the KKK has come to my state to protest something or other, but I didn't pay much attention. If I did know people in a hate group I wouldn't release their name to the public, I think that's pretty unethical. That's the equivalent of name all the jews you knew in Germany in 1935. I don't think anyone deserves to die (or be the subject of hate) for believing what they believe.

Here comes some more hipocrisy...

 

[findfirefox]

Even more hate, now I'm being accused of protecting people. If anything I've added to this thread, nobody posted any responses before me. If you think it's fair to release a list of the names of people in hate groups, then the same should be alright for any other type of group. Anybody on LPSG gets their name released, anyone who is gay. I was trying to open your mind a little bit, hating is only perpetuating all the shit in the world.

To make something clear, I said that you have to respect someone's right to believe whatever they want. Not that you have to respect what they believe or how they act on those beliefs.

In your example people who use LPSG or are gay are not a danger to other people, (Not to say that someone on this site could not be committing crimes) people in a hate group can and are more likely to do harm to someone else such as gays or people from different races, that's bad and they deserved too be exposed, in the same was sexual predators are (Have you watched the news?)

If were going to talk about ethics let's talk about this topic. You want to release a list of the names of people in hate groups. Why? So all the people who are strongly opposed to them will go commit murders in the name of their cause. It's this kind of thinking that causes situations like in the middle east, where everyone hates each other because one time long ago something happened, and people can't let go of their hate. You are the same people.

Yes I would like the names of these people, and the area they live because I guess fucking what I don't want to live in the same area as them and I have a right too know if the people who are living near me are going to attempt to kill me or harass me. I guess that I'm not going to let go of my hate because the hate from them is still there, If the stooped hating what ever group of people they hated I would let it go unless they actually did something to me then I would be resentful for a long time. But no, I don't drone on things in the past if someone in school hated me, Ive moved on, I might still hate them say if they stabbed me though.

I don't know of any hate groups in my area, I know the KKK has come to my state to protest something or other, but I didn't pay much attention. If I did know people in a hate group I wouldn't release their name to the public, I think that's pretty unethical. That's the equivalent of name all the jews you knew in Germany in 1935. I don't think anyone deserves to die (or be the subject of hate) for believing what they believe.

If they hate a specific person such as Bob from down the street that's one thing, If they hate a group of people that's bad but if there with a group who hates all the same people that's a safety hazard because now peoples lives are at risk, we should put them in the same type of system as Sexual Offenders.

Here comes some more hipocrisy...

Screw You (Hate does not have to be mutual)

and BTW this was about giveing the NAMES of hate GROUPS, your just pulling crap out your ass.

 

[Freddie53]

Where in the hell did you get the idea about releasing the names of the people who are members of hate groups? First, those groups are secretive and aren't going to release the names of the groups.

And I don't hate you at all. Never have said that I have. You have stated people here hate you. Give me the sentence and which post where someone has stated they hate you.

The purpose of this thread was the give the NAMES of hate groups, not the names of the members. Somewhow I don't think you even bothered to find the web page. I guess I will have to cut and paste that page for you and others.

 

[ChocolateLuvuh]

Not to steer off course, but what about groups like the Black Muslims and Black Panthers? There might be others from other ethnic groups, that I'm not aware of.

 

[findfirefox]

Not to steer off course, but what about groups like the Black Muslims and Black Panthers? There might be others from other ethnic groups, that I'm not aware of.

There should be no groups dedicated to hating anyone, I did mention Muslims but that does not mean I'm being exclusive to just the groups listed.

I would also like to make a note for my post above where i stated 'Hate does not have to mutual." I said that referring that even if he said he never said he hated anyone that does not mean that someone can't hate him, I'm not implying that I hate him.

But I would like to try that we steer back on topic, so please lets try, if this argument must continue please do it through PM's but this thread has been through enough.

 

[Freddie53]

Here is a copy of the web page.
Where does this page ask for or give the names
of people who are members of the hate groups below.

You will noice the part in blue where it says "read a list
of hate incidents in Arkansas?

Why would it be wrong for a person to know what hate
crimes have been committed within an hour of your house
and if they were committed by a hate group that has your
name next on their list?

Would it be right to tell a neighbor that there is a hate
group that has singled out people like them and that group
has a secret club meeting within a few miles of their house?

I should certainly hope so. If that is wrong, then I'll just have
to be wrong.

I am very sad to say that a hate group didn't make this list.
And it meets within ten miles of my house. The leader has
returned from the pen for repeated molesting and raping
of his 12 year old neice. It is supposed to be secret. But
this hate group meets out in the open pasture and people
have drivenby and seen the comotion and some folks found
out. My understanding is that some went just to see what
was going on and then exposed the hate group.

The cut and pasted the web page, but when I tried to submit it, it turned it into a mess. On the right hand side the name of the chapter or chapters is first and the city where it is is listed and then the type of hate group is listed next.

City /images/static/spacer.gif Chapter /images/static/spacer.gif Group /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif
/images/static/spacer.gif · "Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, The" /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan
/images/static/spacer.gif · Imperial Klans of America Knights of the Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Bergman /images/static/spacer.gif · Church of Jesus Christ /images/static/spacer.gif Christian Identity /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Bismarck /images/static/spacer.gif · League of the South /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Confederate /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Compton /images/static/spacer.gif · Ku Klux Klan LLC /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Concord /images/static/spacer.gif · Knights of the Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Conway /images/static/spacer.gif · National Socialist Movement /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Nazi /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif East Camden /images/static/spacer.gif · Bayou Knights of the Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Eureka Springs /images/static/spacer.gif · Christian Research /images/static/spacer.gif Christian Identity /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Hamburg /images/static/spacer.gif · League of the South /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Confederate /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Harrison /images/static/spacer.gif · Kingdom Identity Ministries /images/static/spacer.gif Christian Identity
/images/static/spacer.gif · Knights of the Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Hot Springs /images/static/spacer.gif · League of the South /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Confederate /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Lincoln /images/static/spacer.gif · National Vanguard /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Nazi /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Little Rock /images/static/spacer.gif · Aryan Nations /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Nazi
/images/static/spacer.gif · Council of Conservative Citizens /images/static/spacer.gif Other
/images/static/spacer.gif · Nation of Islam /images/static/spacer.gif Black Separatist
/images/static/spacer.gif · United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors/All Eyes on Egipt /images/static/spacer.gif Black Separatist /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif London /images/static/spacer.gif · Aryan Nations /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Nazi /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Russellville /images/static/spacer.gif · White Revolution /images/static/spacer.gif Neo-Nazi /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Smackover /images/static/spacer.gif · Bayou Knights of the Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif Winslow /images/static/spacer.gif · Mississippi White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif Ku Klux Klan /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif /images/static/spacer.gif

 

[IntactMale]

There should be no groups dedicated to hating anyone,

This is basically what I've been saying from my first post, so why all the hostility? I don't mind ending this argument at all, but I think you should look at the definition of hate. I don't mean your definition, I mean like in the dictionary, you will find that you have acted hateful towards me. I also never said that I have never hated anyone, I certainly have. But I have made a big change in my life, and I don't feel the need to hate anything anymore. Maybe tripping did have something to do with my way of thinking. But I'm trying to promote peace and I'm getting nothing but agression in return.

Like I said before, you don't have to respect the beliefs of another person or the actions based on those beliefs, but you do have to respect everyones right to believe whatever they want to believe, otherwise you shouldn't have the right to believe what you believe in.

"Screw you" sound pretty hateful to me.

 

[findfirefox]

This is basically what I've been saying from my first post, so why all the hostility? I don't mind ending this argument at all, but I think you should look at the definition of hate. I don't mean your definition, I mean like in the dictionary, you will find that you have acted hateful towards me. I also never said that I have never hated anyone, I certainly have. But I have made a big change in my life, and I don't feel the need to hate anything anymore. Maybe tripping did have something to do with my way of thinking. But I'm trying to promote peace and I'm getting nothing but agression in return.

Like I said before, you don't have to respect the beliefs of another person or the actions based on those beliefs, but you do have to respect everyones right to believe whatever they want to believe, otherwise you shouldn't have the right to believe what you believe in.

"Screw you" sound pretty hateful to me.

I have a right too know the groups arround me that are a danger too me. The End.

Screw You was intended to express my dismay at you post, I don't hate you because I don't know you!

 

[ChocolateLuvuh]

Is this the end of this thread? :sad2:

 

[Matthew]

Is this the end of this thread? :sad2:

Oh no. It's just getting started.

 

[IntactMale]

No, not until findfirefox reads the definition of hate.

 

[ChocolateLuvuh]

Excellent.....:firedevil: lol

 

[Lex]

Freddie et.al.--I apologize in advance for this, slightly off-topic post.

No, not until findfirefox reads the definition of hate.

IntactMale--

Identifying groups that we think we need to speak out against IS the essence of being a politically and socially involved citizen.

Your logic in saying that the gay rights movement can't be compared to the civil rights movement is flawed. Gay rights ARE civil rights. Unlessof course, you think that gay people are not people.

There are people in this country who beat and kill people becasue they are different and THAT is unacceptable--even when.if it happens only once. Once is one time too many. Ever and always. Hate is bad.

This is a fairly moderate to liberal board. Given the diversity here, you should expect nothing less. Therefore, it should come as no suprise that when you speak to people about how they should think or feel about their "family members" (family in the incousive sense to mean anyone who has been the boject of hate crimes based on being different) being marginalized and killed, that you get lots of terse responses.

If you don't like this thread or disagree with it--or you are tired of it--don't read or post in it. Your transparent attempts to derail the purpose here has escaped no one.

 

[hypolimnas]

Those people who are uncomfortable in themselves are disagreeable to others. ... If we look about us, and ask who are the agreeable and disagreeable people in the world, we shall see that it does not so much depend on their virtues or vices - their understanding or stupidity - as on the degree of pleasure or pain they seem to feel in ordinary social intercourse.

The pleasure of hating, like a poisonous mineral, eats into the heart of religion, and turns it to rankling spleen and bigotry; it makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands: it leaves to virtue nothing but the spirit of censoriousness, and a narrow, jealous, inquisitorial watchfulness over the actions and motives of others. What have the different sects, creeds, doctrines in religion been but so many pretexts set up for men to wrangle, to quarrel, to tear one another in pieces about , like a target as a mark to shoot at?

The dupe of friendship, and the fool of love; have I not reason to hate and to despise myself? Indeed I do; and chiefly for not having hated and despised the world enough.

William Hazlitt (1778–1830), British essayist. “On the Pleasure of Hating,” The Plain Speaker (1826).

 

[DC_DEEP]

I will start out on-topic: Freddie, I don't even know where to begin discovering what hate groups reside and practice in my area. As densely populated as it is, I'm sure there are plenty.

To IntactMale: Knowing Freddie as I do, I'm guessing that he did not start this thread so we could all look at the list and say "Oooh, I really HATE those guys." Have you ever heard the phrase "Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer"? It's never a bad idea to keep an eye on those who want to do you harm. Your assertion that there is no similarity between the racial civil rights movement and the gender civil rights movement is flawed. No, gays were not rounded up in the 18th century and forced to work on cotton plantations. But by the same token, are you hearing any recent talk of a Constitutional amendment to prevent blacks from marrying? When was the last time you heard of a murder trial in which the defendant used the "nigger panic defense?" The two struggles are not carbon copies of one another, no. But the fact remains that denial of basic human rights and civil rights is the goal of any hate group.

 

[AlteredEgo]

This seems kind of ironic, like forming a hate group that hates hate groups. If the point is to respect everyone's opinions, don't you have to respect what they hate as well?

This isn't to say I agree with anything these hate groups are saying, just trying to get people to look at this a little differently.

There is no need to respect willful ignorance.

 

[AlteredEgo]

And now, on topic.

There is an environmental extremist group in my area that sets fires. They do not care if they harm employees, owners, or innocent bystanders. This thread reminded me of them, and I'm trying to find the info I used to have about them, including their name. All I remember is they are a copy-cat group of one in California. I'm all for stoping big business from destroying our planet, but I'm dead set against deliberately burning people alive. Fucking murderers.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Not to steer off course, but what about groups like the Black Muslims and Black Panthers? There might be others from other ethnic groups, that I'm not aware of.

The Black Panthers were not a hate group, and worked hand in hand with whites, and people of other backgrounds. They group was formed during a period of unrest where it was literally hazardous to your health to be black in America. They were not about spreading hate. They were about self-defense, and protection of family.

 

[dudepiston]

I'm starting to wonder if we're talking about two different things, actually. IntactMale is talking about hateful BELIEFS, while nearly everyone else is talking about hateful BEHAVIOR.

I'm not sure he sees the connection between belief systems & behavior.

Certainly everyone has the right to think & feel as he or she desires. To assert otherwise opens the door for Orwell's 1984 to come into play; thought police & everything. Doesn't mean I have to go along with it.

Thus, this question for IntactMale - you seem to assert hateful thoughts are a person's private right. Do you feel the same about hateful behavior, which hurts others?

No, not until findfirefox reads the definition of hate.

 

[Dr Rock]

intactmale: sorry fella, but if your definition of "hate" includes irate posts on a practically anonymous message board on the internet, it seems pretty clear that you have no experience of what it really is. it's nothing to do with dislike or disagreement, although i grant that the overuse of the word in modern english might lead you to believe that.

let me illuminate you a little from personal experience: hatred is a quite distinct state of mind; a bone-deep and wholly overwhelming motivation that affects one's consciousness on every level. in its intensity, pervasiveness and effect it's comparable to the most basic instinctive impulses. it allows no rationalization or moderation by its very nature. explanation is irrelevant to it: the expression of hatred is its own explanation. a lot of so-called "hate groups" have no idea what hate is; in reality they're just self-pitying complaint groups whose members will never experience the compulsion or conviction for actual hatred.

you can bet your ass that someone who hated you would not discuss the issue with you over an internet forum, or in any other medium for that matter. they would not attempt to describe or justify their hatred to you, period. i do hope that you're never on the receiving end of genuine hate, but i don't think it's a good idea to reduce it to the insignificance of an online discussion.