If men had babies

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GottaBigOne &#064; Nov 7 2005, 10&#58;32 AM) [post=358854]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>
I think the implication here is that the only reason men are pro-life is because they don&#39;t understand how hard being pregnant is. I am pro-choice, so i don&#39;t think the hypothetical situation applies to me but I will say this, I would do everything to avoid a pregnancy simply because of the morning sickness. I am deathly afraid of vomiting and hence would probably never have kids. Having the abortion option open wouldn&#39;t mean a thing to me because morning sickness is one of the earliest symptoms of pregnancy, the damamge would have already been done.
For the record; I haven&#39;t thrown up in eight years, that must be a world record or something.

But madam I will pose this question to you: What about women who are pro-life?? Obviously people aren&#39;t only pro-life because they dont understand pregnant women, (which is what your implying by saying that the discussion would vanish if men had babies)they actually do have reasons why they feel its wrong and its not just an appeal to some sort of emotion, or lack of compassion. Its based on the belief that your body does not belong to you, but to someone/anyone else who wishes to force their desires on you. thats the notion you hae to attack in order to defend your right to your body.
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GBO, I do realise that most pro-lifers are women, but this particular discussion was directed towards men and legalities. We live in a world where the majority of lawmakers are still men and it is therefore my opinion that their opinions carry more weight.

I was actually asking that if babies had to come out of your penis, rip it to shreads and leave it unusable for several weeks until it healed, leave you utterly sick and destroyed while you had a new baby to care for that needed immediate attention despite your own condition, would anyone feel differently about pregnancy or abortion than they do now.

What if you didn&#39;t have several thousand dollars to get your tubes tied? Here&#39;s one for the funny papers- after I had Julianna, I asked my doctors on the delivery table to tie my tubes. I had always known that I only wanted one child, and once I saw her healthy and beautiful (a child MUCH wanted and planned for) I was satisfied with this portion of my life being complete. They refused to do so because I didn&#39;t meet the criteria of being either 30 or already having three kids&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Yes, they refused a surgery I could pay for and wanted because they said I wasn&#39;t *capable* of making that decision at 22.

I can appreciate what you&#39;re saying about hating vomitting, I&#39;m no big fan either. Luckily I was spared that with her, but it&#39;s usually part of the process. I know that you&#39;re pro-choice already, but what I&#39;m really asking is not about the rights of women, but if you feel that the laws and societal views would be different if it were men, as they are, who had the responsibility for childbirth rather than women.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KinkGuy &#064; Nov 7 2005, 12&#58;36 AM) [post=358713]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>
If men had to give birth, one or all of the following situations would probably occur:

1) Abortions would be paid for by the Government.
2) Birth control would be available to every man in the country.
3) Comprehensive sex education would be taught in the schools.
4) Free condoms would be available EVERYWHERE.
5) All births would be performed under general anesthesia.

And in all seriousness? If I had to contemplate the possibility of childbirth, I would probably never have sex again.
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Kinkguy, in all seriousness, I think all five of your outlined points would occur, and that was the exact point of the discussion. Men, being the majority of lawmakers would always protect their own interests, and the group that would arise to protest would be labeled "fringe" and jeered at.

Never have sex again? Ha&#33; try it for a month as see how far you get&#33; Not a viable solution for decades or a lifetime.

It is actually my position that society, both male and female, is opposed to the concept of women being able to share the right of having sex for pleasure. While this is viewed as acceptable for men, women are still seen as whores and baby-killers. I guess it&#39;s like Christians for me, if a person is a Christian and lives a Christian life, I have no problem with them having a different opinion than mine, but if they only use it to put others down and really don&#39;t even practise what they preach, I have a BIG problem with it. When women are pro-life and they have NEVER had an abortion, I can&#39;t help but acknowledge their right to their feelings, but a man can never fall into that category so he can only "practise what he preaches" by accepting full responsibility for the unwanted child by:

1) Taking full financial responsibility for the woman&#39;s medical bills
2) Supporting her fully while she is off work, no matter how long her doctor recommends
3) Actively help to care for her during the pregnancy or arrange for someone else to do it
4) Relieves her of any and all obligation toward the baby she doean&#39;t want
5) After she is recuperated, makes sure that her life is in the same place it was prior to the birth, and leaves her completely out of any future issues.

If all that were the case, I&#39;d consider having an unwanted child if my partner desperately wanted to be a father that badly. Anyone feeling queasy yet? I don&#39;t think the issue is hardly EVER about the rights of fatherhood, I have never heard of such a case. While they may exist, it is in the extreme minority. The issue is supposedly about the rights of the unborn, and I&#39;d really like to see how much men would care about the unborn if THEY had to bear them.
 

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"Men, being the majority of lawmakers would always protect their own interests"




One would think so. Reality, unfortunately, doesn&#39;t bear this out.

In instances of divorce where the father is awarded custody, the mother is generally required to provide child support at a much lesser rate than would a male - if at all.

And in cases of statutory rape, female perpetrators get the equivalent of a slap on the wrist relative to the punishments handed down to men.
 

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I am anti-abortion and I'm sure carrying an unplanned baby wouldn't change that but I am unusually paternal for a man (one baby girl)

I do agree though that of the men that I know well, not many of them would feel the same as me. I think a lot of male opposition to abortion would go if both sexes could get pregnant and rates of abortion in men would be higher than in women
 

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Dorset said:
I am anti-abortion and I'm sure carrying an unplanned baby wouldn't change that but I am unusually paternal for a man (one baby girl)

I do agree though that of the men that I know well, not many of them would feel the same as me. I think a lot of male opposition to abortion would go if both sexes could get pregnant and rates of abortion in men would be higher than in women

Thanks Dorset, I appreciate your candor. Although it may not change things for you personally, I respect your ability to get the point of what I was saying.