If Obama was a significant leader...

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...he would not be asking people to invest in the stock market as it crashes nor telling people not to 'stuff their mattress.'

What he would say is: "I appeal to American business men to do the patriotic thing. This month stop downsizing and hire 1% of your workforce back. If every business does this faithfully the economy will recover. To fail in this is to fail your country...."

"And if you do this you will get preferential lending terms with the credit the govt. will be extending businesses."

Meeh,... melodramatic? Yeah, but what a real leader would say and do. Why is Obama mimicking Bush? Why are people such thought sheep?
 
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What he would say is: "I appeal to American business men to do the patriotic thing. This month stop downsizing and hire 1% of your workforce back. If every business does this faithfully the economy will recover. To fail in this is to fail your country...."

To say this is not "thinking outside the box". It's essentially forcing many companies, some of which don't have the funds to adequately pay the 1% they would be forced to hire back, to put people back to work under financial conditions that wouldn't help much at all. What's good with a job if it doesn't take care of your necessities? Your home will still get foreclosed, you still won't be able to afford adequate health care, and the price of real necessities such as food still continues to climb. And as soon as you lose your home, chances are you'll lose that job again due to lack of having an address.
 

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To say this is not "thinking outside the box". It's essentially forcing many companies, some of which don't have the funds to adequately pay the 1% they would be forced to hire back, to put people back to work under financial conditions that wouldn't help much at all. What's good with a job if it doesn't take care of your necessities? Your home will still get foreclosed, you still won't be able to afford adequate health care, and the price of real necessities such as food still continues to climb. And as soon as you lose your home, chances are you'll lose that job again due to lack of having an address.

Yep, brilliant. Individuals should buy into the stock market s'more and not stuff their mattress (they should go shopping). Now that's real leadership.

The re-hire idea has carrot and stick. Obama's idears ring hollow.


BTW, guess was people rehired do? Shop! In THIS chicken egg story the egg comes first and that is represented by jobs.
 
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Actually Obama is correct in saying people need to invest in the market...because they do. If you're smart about it and in it for the long term, there's some serious money to be made whenever we finally catch a nice bull run; not to mention many companies are paying very respectable dividends right now compared to most other investments. But unfortunately, we're not going to be seeing a bull run for awhile because of the lack of transparency and the fact that most people with a clue realize this recession is going to go well into October, if not much longer. Couple that with declining house prices, rising unemployment due to less consumer spending and tightened lending, most people are too scared to be bullish. They'd rather save than invest and spend. If companies could higher people right now, they would. Most companies want to grow, not shrink. What he needs to do is tell people to stop buying t-bills. That's a bubble that needs to be stopped before it gets too big
 
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Yep, brilliant. Individuals should buy into the stock market s'more and not stuff their mattress (they should go shopping). Now that's real leadership.

The re-hire idea has carrot and stick.

Yeah, carrot and stick. Companies "dangle" a job opportunity over the heads of the needy. Essentially forcing the nation's unemployed jump high for a reward that is not only unfulfilling, but doesn't take care of a person's bare necessities. Again, what good is a job if it doesn't allow you to take care of your needs? How are these corporations supposed to adequately pay for the 1% they would have to re-hire so that they can maintain their home (or find a new one even if it means renting), pay for health care, food, and all of the bills that come with it?

Come back to me when you've replaced the carrot and stick with a buffet table and salad bar, OK? :rolleyes:

Obama's idears ring hollow.

And how so? Because he's telling the American People to look out for investment opportunities and to save money? You'd be a fool not to keep your eye on the stock market because not every company is going to roll over and die in this recession. And once things start to turn around, that will be prime time for people to actually invest and make a lot of money. Then, you take that money out and put it in a less volatile environment for safe keeping. I don't know about you but that makes perfect sense to me.
 

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If companies could hi[re] people right now, they would. Most companies want to grow, not shrink.

If the president got all businesses to collectively rehire/hire 1% staffing per month the economy would improve on that alone. This was the significant leadership part.

What he needs to do is tell people to stop buying t-bills. That's a bubble that needs to be stopped before it gets too big

It's already been stated by many others (libtard and neoCON): NOT really the president's job to be giving specific investment advice.
 

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It's already been stated by many others (libtard and neoCON): NOT really the president's job to be giving specific investment advice.

Come on... what Obama is suggesting people to do borders on the level of common sense. It's not like Jim Cramer telling people to buy into Bear Stearns or anything.
 

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Are you really putting down what good the president is actually doing?

what's endangered here are the ranchers' profits, hence the de-listing

if it comes to the ranchers', heart surgeons, and diet gurus' profits, or the wolves, I'll go with the wolves anytime ...

and if Americans don't pay for Obama's expenditures, it would have to be paid for beijing -- is that really in our interest?

 

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Come on... what Obama is suggesting people to do borders on the level of common sense. It's not like Jim Cramer telling people to buy into Bear Stearns or anything.

<gameshowbuzzz>AHHHNN</gameshowbuzz>

Thanks for playing :0)

borders on the level of common sense

Hahaha... Only for people with CASH and willing to trust his socialist spending won't outstrip the benefit of his reasoned spending. I really don't get the $288 billion in tax breaks if he is going to go all spending and shit.

The only thing the govt. OWES everybody is a quality k-12 education and national security. In this case national security is best served by finding renewable, viable energy sources.

Health care reform when we are broke ass folks won't fly. Not with the boomers retiring.
 

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If the president got all businesses to collectively rehire/hire 1% staffing per month the economy would improve on that alone. This was the significant leadership part.



It's already been stated by many others (libtard and neoCON): NOT really the president's job to be giving specific investment advice.

Contradiction.



...and your idea would ruin our country for good, to be blunt about it
 

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Come on... what Obama is suggesting people to do borders on the level of common sense. It's not like Jim Cramer telling people to buy into Bear Stearns or anything.

Hey, we're watching the same tv show:biggrin1:
 

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Originally Posted by VinylBoy
Come on... what Obama is suggesting people to do borders on the level of common sense. It's not like Jim Cramer telling people to buy into Bear Stearns or anything.

Hey, we're watching the same tv show:biggrin1:

Actually, that was funny. I think I took it too serious.

Good one VB.
 

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<gameshowbuzzz>AHHHNN</gameshowbuzz>

Thanks for playing :0)

You're the only one playing games here, sir. However, you've already landed on bankrupt a couple of times already.

Hahaha... Only for people with CASH and willing to trust his socialist spending won't outstrip the benefit of his reasoned spending.

I don't make a lot of money. It's barely enough to make ends meet but I manage. Yet even I know to look out for investment opportunities to make money and to put away any substantial amount of money I make. That's why I run my own small business on the side, and it helps me make a few extra thousand of dollars to make living day to day a little easier. And yes, I do still pay attention to the Stock Market and look for a potential opportunity to invest in somewhere down the road. Despite the falling numbers, there ARE some companies that are managing to maintain some level of steady numbers throughout this economic crunch. That doesn't mean that I need to rush into something tomorrow, and that is NOT what Obama implied. He essentially told the American people to keep their eyes open and try to be wise with their cash. THAT is common sense. If you couldn't figure that out, then you will not be here for "Final Jeopardy". Take your Rice-A-Roni and leave the stage now.

I really don't get the $288 billion in tax breaks if he is going to go all spending and shit.

Then why don't you try to figure it out before coming up with, ahem, a "carrot & stick" solution?

The only thing the govt. OWES everybody is a quality k-12 education

So ironic that our previous administration cut more than $3 Billion in education in his last few years in government, eliminating or completely hindering more than 40 education programs in the process.

Health care reform when we are broke ass folks won't fly. Not with the boomers retiring.

That's because it's things like health care costs that are making the average American a "broke ass". Have you been paying attention to the Universal Health Care thread on this board? Read it and enlighten yourself. http://www.lpsg.org/124695-universal-healthcare-in-america.html
 

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You're the only one playing games here, sir. However, you've already landed on bankrupt a couple of times already.

Already contributed to that particular thread. No real feedback except from MLB, sorta.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not Flashy.

Reform should be govt lead:

1) Govt. monies to educate more health care professionals. (Don't charge them tuition and double the tuition on liberal arts majors- kind of a joke but not really). Engineers, science and math majors should also go free if those are the kinds we are in need of to remain competitive.

2) Require drug companies not charge more than 5% for their drugs than they do any other industrialized nation (i.e. socialized Europe).

3) Require all doctors visits be audio recorded and procedures to be video taped. The tech exists. Tapes can be reviewed by the patient for remembering instructions and by others for a myriad of reasons including but not limited to malpractice insurances claims. Don't want your visit recorded then jury bias against your malpractice claim. I could expound on the cost savings but you're a smart guy.

4) Obama's medical records idea (though not his own) is a good start.

5) Don't allow hospitals to charge the uninsured more than 10% what they charge the insured.

6) Do like the Japanese did with scanning technology in order to lessen costs.

7) Encourage investment in technologies that would be home based test to cheaply, accurately and early detect medical problems (Nano tech frontier).

8) Find out what are the highest cost points in the system and try to mitigate them with technology or regulation.

9) Threaten insurance companies with "socializing" insurance. I.E. transforming them into not-profit entities.

10) Fuck this was a good one. I just can't remember it off hand... I should write this shit down.

11) And on and on....

The list could go into the fifty count and beyond, but Democrats and Republicans and Obama are too fucking lazy to look at the details, they'd rather toss around money. Obama is NO health care messiah and your picture of Argentina and Spain are grossly exaggerated. Plus, socialized Europe eats of the health tit of America as evidence in part by the link below:

Hit & Run > Now Playing at Reason.tv: Swedish Myths and Realities - Reason Magazine

Point being universal health care is a dumb idea. You're ideas are broke. :0)

Edit: P.S. I don't mean to be a complete ass (nothing personal just based on the examples you gave) but what lifestyles can lead to throat, colon and prostrate cancer? Ans: slutty ones. Mitigating promiscuity would also lessen medical costs. Can't figure out how to do that though.
 
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Contradiction.



...and your idea would ruin our country for good, to be blunt about it

HAHAHAHA.

I gave an example of moral leadership and you offered t-bill bubble advice.

Asking all businesses to simulataneously hire 1% month to month would 'ruin' the country? WTF are you smoking? It is simply the reverse of the simultaneous firing that is currently going on (either is psychological: hope or fear exemplified) Glad you aren't in charge :0)
 
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