If size is altered it doesn't count?

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Tell that to Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Carl Lewis, Lyle Alzado, Ben Johnson, Mark McGwire, . . .

They ALL have 10 inch penises?????:biggrin1:

Seriously Mindseye, for some odd reason, people don't seem to understand or accept the basic premise of your arguement, which is totally valid and obvious in my mind. A penis isn't some mystical appendage that has a set of rules completely unique from other body parts. If you put an effort into augmenting that porton of your body, then good for you! It's an accomplishment similar to hitting the gym to tone up your physique, although it doesn't have the overall positive health implications that exercise does.

As far as some of the posters that seem to indicate 'feeling sympathy' towards someone that would embark on an attempt at penis enlargement, why is this any different than other physical improvements that you feel are important to you as an individual? I don't laugh and scream at joggers, calling them 'shallow and unfulfilled' just becasue they're focusing on the physical side of their life. Better get those joggers into counselling in a fucking hurry! When they get home they probably do what everyone else does; work on their relationships, careers, and the mental aspects of their lives.

I've never attempted any type of enlargement, nor do I have an ounce of interest in it, but hats off to those who care enough about penis size to make an attempt at enlargement. To each their own.
 

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If you don't do PE because you feel inferior or insecure then why do you do it? Why do you think its so important to have a big penis?

If you don't accept yourself and are constantly unhappy with what you were born with, how can you expect someone else to accept you?

And personal fitness is part of good health. To me, penis enlargement is an indication that you are unhappy with who/what you are. To me it seems so petty. There are better ways to spend your time.

Also, I don't know any joggers that jog til they collapse from exhaustion. I have seen and heard many horror stories of PE being taken too far. The conclusion I draw from this is that people with PE have problems that there is no physical solution too. Much like bullimic or anorexic people who will always see themselves as fat no matter what their weight. I think people who do PE will never be (in their eyes) "big enough".

I believe the reason for this is that they lack the self belief, confidence, or acceptance to just be content with what they have.

Again, this is my opinion and I'm not going to argue.

PS is it caring ENOUGH or TOO MUCH about your penis that makes people engage in PE?
 

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Seriously Mindseye, for some odd reason, people don't seem to understand or accept the basic premise of your arguement, which is totally valid and obvious in my mind.

It's not an "odd reason"; it's the oldest reason in history. It's the same reason why men deprived women of the right to vote; why white people enslaved black people; why European emigrants to America forced the natives onto reservations, and why European emigrants to Australia massacred the aboriginal people there. People who enjoy an unearned privilege, through the accident of birth, are the ones who are most ungracious about sharing it.
 

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I have made mine grow 2 1/4" from average to large.

With that growth came confidence, confidence to pull it out in front of a woman and not be afraid of her reaction, confidence that my extra length will touch parts of the vagina that were previously beyond reach, all this helps to improve my sexual performance so I have no regrets about not accepting my natural size.

The fact that my penis has no implants or artificial extras in it means that it has been naturally enlarged, in other words, my body has added a few million more cells to increase its size. I have a similar amount of cells in my penis as someone who naturally grew to that size, I don't see why my penis should be considered inferior in any way.

The only problem I see, is that people like JWright consider that it is unacceptable not to allow nature to take its course and leave it at that!
 

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First, sorry for the "agree/disagree with this statement" part... I just realized my editing was bad and the original title got changed. :cool:

Tell that to Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Carl Lewis, Lyle Alzado, Ben Johnson, Mark McGwire, . . .

I always like a good discussion, and I do agree with Mindseye's point.

This statement, however, is kind of what I'm getting at with this post:

Why was it such a big deal to the nation and so many people to possibly not allow these steroid users to get into the baseball hall of fame even though they had accomplished great feats? And why were so many people trying to find out if they really took steroids and/or banned substances?

Because a lot of people feel that taking steroids to make you artificially strong is illegitimate, cheating, and should not count against people who did not take steroids.

Granted there are not rules for penis size, this is a pretty good parallel argument.
 

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Who cares if a penis has been altered and "Legitimately 10"

Does it matter when your biting the pillow? No.

Secondly, you guys are putting way too much effort into this, especially for someone that hasn't taken the time to fill out a profile.

Why do I keep thinking "Flaming bag of poo" trick
 

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And please label me a Naturalist here, for better or for worse... but I was unaware that genital modification was so prevalent in any culture that wasn't entirely jungle-bound. :smile:

However, it has been pretty common for people to trim their hair, trim their nails, where things on their head, wear paint on their body, etc. etc. since even the Egyptian age.

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Also, please no not misconstrue my argument into saying that "PE in any form is wrong" - that's not what I mean.

What I do mean, is that natural should always trump unnatural... even if they are identical sizes - think poker :tongue:

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It's not an "odd reason"; it's the oldest reason in history. It's the same reason why men deprived women of the right to vote; why white people enslaved black people; why European emigrants to America forced the natives onto reservations, and why European emigrants to Australia massacred the aboriginal people there. People who enjoy an unearned privilege, through the accident of birth, are the ones who are most ungracious about sharing it.

C'mon man, I'm really not at all making this thread with any bit of that seriousness - that's pretty harsh. =\
 

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In my book altered doesn't count. Of course everyone has their own take on this. The thought of all these guys out there tugging and pulling and pumping and jelquing to get bigger is such an unattractive turn off. Give me a beautiful natural 9 incher over a manipulated man-made ugly non-functioning 11 anyday.:cool:
 

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Well said. However I think people are a little off with these numbers. It's more like you got a 7.5 inch and just by doing certain basic workout exercises you have a 8.5 with more veins and harder erections. stretching. some squeezing. some milking. All basic hand on cock movements. Isn't this all what its about? When the hand is on the cock you want it look its strongest, its most healthy. When a girl is in front of you with your cock in her mouth she wants it the fullest, the strongest.

If I can take my hand to my cock and make it bigger by basically stroking then it seems natural to me. There aren't very many 3 inch gainers and the above out there like that. For most it seems its a modest .5 - 1 inch gain, and considerable thickness as well. Sometimes a nice, hand exercised 9 inch cock can be better to fuck with then just regular 9 inch hard on. Its like preparing your body for war. You prepare the cock for battle. The cock needs to conquer the woman inside, hit places inside her that stimulate orgasm, as she masons you back by taking it full hilt and wanting more. Its a beautiful dance between bodies. am I still on topic?
 

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I don't care who likes or dislikes what I've got or how I got it.
I am proud of my 8.75" penis and I would rather have it than the (nothing to be ashamed of) 7.0" half hard borderline ED penis I had before PE. My "natural" gains came from manual stretch - no drugs, surgery, or pumping.

The attached illustration is an enhancement. The last pic of the group is the actual pic from about 3 years ago while the 2 pics before have been resized to illustrate my size at those periods of my growth.
 

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This is a rather pathetic thread..

Some people have put fucking years of work into increasing their penis size to something they are happy with, and I for one think they deserve far more credit than someone who was simply "born that way"

Being born with a big dick is lucky but hardly worth shouting from the roof about, actually putting in the work to improve (in your mind) your cock, achieving the goals you set yourself and being happy with what you now have is something to shout about.

That pretty much sums it up.

The only insecurity I see here is people who's identities have been attached to having a big dick fear their claim to fame will not be all that special if every man can achieve a big dick. Ha, this really is a retarded thread.
 

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So, what about someone who is naturally large, 8 x 5.5, who decides to see if PE is the real deal. He does some stretches and jelqs for, say, ten minutes per day, several times per week. At the end of six months, he is now 8.5 x 5.6 during a normal, firm erection. The penis still works the same way, still looks the same way, still feels and fucks the same way, it’s just bigger.

Would you categorize the new size as illegitimate?
 

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And personal fitness is part of good health. To me, penis enlargement is an indication that you are unhappy with who/what you are. To me it seems so petty. There are better ways to spend your time.

Also, I don't know any joggers that jog til they collapse from exhaustion. I have seen and heard many horror stories of PE being taken too far.

The PE exercises help you keep your penis in good shape too. As someone has mentioned before in this thread, they help you get harder and longer lasting erections. Thus, it is a part of your overall good health.

Haven't you ever heard about runners who run until they throw up, so they can pass that barrier? Well, it happens. Professional athletes are constantly pushing their bodies to the limit. As for the horror stories, yes, there are some, but that's a question of people not knowing when to stop and not a problem in PE itself.

Why was it such a big deal to the nation and so many people to possibly not allow these steroid users to get into the baseball hall of fame even though they had accomplished great feats? And why were so many people trying to find out if they really took steroids and/or banned substances?

Because a lot of people feel that taking steroids to make you artificially strong is illegitimate, cheating, and should not count against people who did not take steroids.

Granted there are not rules for penis size, this is a pretty good parallel argument.

As far as I know, PE doesn't require any use of anything other than your hands and maybe some lube. How much more natural could it be?:confused:
 

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I don't care who likes or dislikes what I've got or how I got it.
I am proud of my 8.75" penis and I would rather have it than the (nothing to be ashamed of) 7.0" half hard borderline ED penis I had before PE. My "natural" gains came from manual stretch - no drugs, surgery, or pumping.

The attached illustration is an enhancement. The last pic of the group is the actual pic from about 3 years ago while the 2 pics before have been resized to illustrate my size at those periods of my growth.

Wait, what's going on in this pic again? Looks to me like all three are identical even down the shadows... :wink:
 

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If I can take my hand to my cock and make it bigger by basically stroking then it seems natural to me. There aren't very many 3 inch gainers and the above out there like that. For most it seems its a modest .5 - 1 inch gain, and considerable thickness as well. Sometimes a nice, hand exercised 9 inch cock can be better to fuck with then just regular 9 inch hard on. Its like preparing your body for war. You prepare the cock for battle. The cock needs to conquer the woman inside, hit places inside her that stimulate orgasm, as she masons you back by taking it full hilt and wanting more. Its a beautiful dance between bodies. am I still on topic?

No, but please continue.

More, Mason, more!
 

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As far as I know, PE doesn't require any use of anything other than your hands and maybe some lube. How much more natural could it be?:confused:

Yeah, I don't think anyone here was disagreeing with the fact that vigorious masturbation can give you a slight size increase and be considered PE. This, of course, is the most natural way of PE and probably something that happens to people who masturbate all the time regardless.

We were, however, talking about substantial gains from more 'out there' methods of enlargement (like jelquing, pumping, surgery. etc.), that requirement more 3rd party involvement/devices.

.5 - 1 inch gain in whatever form is pretty negligible - especially since most people can do this simply by getting a 'harder' erection.