If size is altered it doesn't count?

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Well said. However I think people are a little off with these numbers. It's more like you got a 7.5 inch and just by doing certain basic workout exercises you have a 8.5 with more veins and harder erections. stretching. some squeezing. some milking. All basic hand on cock movements. Isn't this all what its about? When the hand is on the cock you want it look its strongest, its most healthy. When a girl is in front of you with your cock in her mouth she wants it the fullest, the strongest.

If I can take my hand to my cock and make it bigger by basically stroking then it seems natural to me. There aren't very many 3 inch gainers and the above out there like that. For most it seems its a modest .5 - 1 inch gain, and considerable thickness as well. Sometimes a nice, hand exercised 9 inch cock can be better to fuck with then just regular 9 inch hard on. Its like preparing your body for war. You prepare the cock for battle. The cock needs to conquer the woman inside, hit places inside her that stimulate orgasm, as she masons you back by taking it full hilt and wanting more. Its a beautiful dance between bodies. am I still on topic?

Well said too, I totally agree with Skull Mason :smile:
 

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.5 - 1 inch gain in whatever form is pretty negligible - especially since most people can do this simply by getting a 'harder' erection.

We are not talking about variations in erection quality here, but a fundamental increase in the length and/or girth of the penis. All measurements I have done are at the same level of erection. I have seen absolute gains of 0.5 inch of length and 0.125 inch in girth. You may consider that "negligible", but the fact remains that it happened. My penis is larger than it was 'naturally' and still looks, functions, and feels (to me) the same.

I "vigourously masterbated" for over twenty years and saw no gains in length or girth. Once I started doing light stretches and jelqing, I gained length and girth.

My self-esteem is fine. I am not crazy, delusional, or suffering from penis envy. I do meaningful work. I have meaningful personal relationships. I am not attempting to fill a void in my life by making my penis huge - it already was.

JWright, you seem less interested in what people think and more interested in stirring up controvery. Why?
 

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Yeah, I don't think anyone here was disagreeing with the fact that vigorious masturbation can give you a slight size increase and be considered PE.

We were, however, talking about substantial gains from more 'out there' methods of enlargement (like jelquing, pumping, surgery. etc.), that requirement more 3rd party involvement/devices.

.5 - 1 inch gain in whatever form is pretty negligible - especially since most people can do this simply by getting a 'harder' erection.

1) I wasn't talking about masturbation. I was really refering to PE exercises, e.g. Jelquing (doesn't envolve anything other than your hands, therefore it is as un-natural as you doing push-ups to develop your pectorals), stretching, kegels.
2) last time I checked, 1 inch was more or less the width of an adult's thumb. Are you saying that you can get such variations in the size of your erection? :confused: I get the feeling you talk about inches as if it were centimeters... there's quite a big difference between them.: 1 inch = 2,5 cms
 

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Did you not read the second paragraph that stated "illustration' and "resized".

You mentioned "jelqing" as one of the "no-no" ways of "enlargement"?

Jelqing, by the way, is manully stretching and squeezing. It is the same as a masterbation grip reversed. It is used to stimulate blood flow within the penis the same as masterbation. The objective of jelqing is not to ejaculate, as is masterbation, but to expand the penis cells causing growth in girth and possibly length. If you gripped a little tighter and slowed the strokes down you could call masterbation a jelqing variation.

By the way, I would agree with your "opinion" in regards to surgical enhancements and pumping.

Another illustration pic and remember, it is an illustration. The Largest view is unaltered, the other views were resized(penis only) to illustrated graphically my growth from age 16 to before PE(11/29/99) to after PE(Mar 2003)
 

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We are not talking about variations in erection quality here, but a fundamental increase in the length and/or girth of the penis. All measurements I have done are at the same level of erection. I have seen absolute gains of 0.5 inch of length and 0.125 inch in girth. You may consider that "negligible", but the fact remains that it happened. My penis is larger than it was 'naturally' and still looks, functions, and feels (to me) the same.

I "vigourously masterbated" for over twenty years and saw no gains in length or girth. Once I started doing light stretches and jelqing, I gained length and girth.

My self-esteem is fine. I am not crazy, delusional, or suffering from penis envy. I do meaningful work. I have meaningful personal relationships. I am not attempting to fill a void in my life by making my penis huge - it already was.

JWright, you seem less interested in what people think and more interested in stirring up controvery. Why?

Ok great response, I'm starting to understand a little more. And why does this post seem so controversal? I'm merely looking for thought out responses such as your own. :smile:

1) I wasn't talking about masturbation. I was really refering to PE exercises, e.g. Jelquing (doesn't envolve anything other than your hands, therefore it is as un-natural as you doing push-ups to develop your pectorals), stretching, kegels.
2) last time I checked, 1 inch was more or less the width of an adult's thumb. Are you saying that you can get such variations in the size of your erection? :confused: I get the feeling you talk about inches as if it were centimeters... there's quite a big difference between them.: 1 inch = 2,5 cms

1) Ok gotcha, see above :)

2) No, I definitely mean inches. Maybe not a full 1 inch variation everytime (I don't really measure much), but yeah I have observed this variation with level of arousal, head engorgement, base engorgement etc. Without going into too much detail, my erection goes straight up so there's a pretty big range of motion there ;)

JW

Did you not read the second paragraph that stated "illustration' and "resized".

Ok I reread it - gotcha :)
 

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If a guy with a natural looking enlarged cock didn't mention his PE regime, even to naturalists like you, JWright, it wouldn't be considered anything other than a legitimate large cock.

So enlarged guys, if you don't want to have your fake, cheating, illegitimate cock insulted, don't show it to JWright or CuriousGuy!:rolleyes:
 

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I'm simply saying that IMO I don't think it's fair to say someone who went from 6-10 from something unnatural is bigger than someone who is a natural 9. It is ok for others to think the opposite.

Of COURSE the ten incher is bigger! How is this even up for debate?