If Trump Wins...

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I’m curious to see what you think happens in the next four years if trump wins the election?
I’m not very political in fact I hate politics so I am curious about other people’s opinions.
 

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More of the same I expect.

As foul a man as he is at least Trump has not yet started a war on false pretenses like George W Bush did in Iraq which killed 5,000 Americans and destabilized Iraq into a civil war which has killed hundreds of thousands and counting.
 
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It will be a continuation of the last four years, I'm sure.

It will be much worse. Immediately he will begin plotting for a third term and plotting to put Trump Jr and/or Ivanka as next in line. The staggering corruption and lies will fan out to more and more of the American version of Germany's National Socialist German Workers' Party back in the 1920s. Already his party has gutted it's platform to simply "whatever he wants". His dementia will spiral out of control and so will the country.
 

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I think this is going to be much deeper. I think we're headed for something resembling a civil war. We're in a perfect storm. We're all sitting on a powder keg.

Trump will win on election night. HOWEVER... the mail in ballots will lean more toward Biden -- my point is, both sides will feel empowered to protest whatever the outcome.

Remember how many protests there were when Trump won? All the marching pink hats? I fear the pink hats will become guns. People will then take to the streets. We've already seen protests and murders in the streets in cities, there will be marches and protests organized on Twitter. They will have guns. The Local Gov have already shown they DO NOT support the police, law enforcement and order. So there will be unchecked riots and protests without police.

It's going to be very messy. Please know I write this from a very objective place. I'm not picking a horse, I'm just reading the tea leaves. I think there are sane calm people who will stay home. But there is clearly a fringe who is happy to take to the streets armed to voice their beliefs. This is what will happen.
 
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I think this is going to be much deeper. I think we're headed for something resembling a civil war. We're in a perfect storm. We're all sitting on a powder keg.

Trump will win on election night. HOWEVER... the mail in ballots will lean more toward Biden -- my point is, both sides will feel empowered to protest whatever the outcome.

Remember how many protests there were when Trump won? All the marching pink hats? I fear the pink hats will become guns. People will then take to the streets. We've already seen protests and murders in the streets in cities, there will be marches and protests organized on Twitter. They will have guns. The Local Gov have already shown they DO NOT support the police, law enforcement and order. So there will be unchecked riots and protests without police.

It's going to be very messy. Please know I write this from a very objective place. I'm not picking a horse, I'm just reading the tea leaves. I think there are sane calm people who will stay home. But there is clearly a fringe who is happy to take to the streets armed to voice their beliefs. This is what will happen.

I think if Biden loses there might be riots, maybe, but there won't be a rebellion. If Trump loses, then I think his supporters will reject the result and attempt a rebellion.
 
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Trump has said, "The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged." Think about the license he's giving his followers if they don't get what they want. It’s sad, and scary, when a sitting president goes so far to undermine democracy.
 

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well to be fair, Hillary Clinton and Pelosi have said the same thing to the effect of, "we will not concede". The point I'm trying to make is BOTH sides -- Republicans and Dems have a chessboard of equal pieces in play. The Dems accuse Trump of collusion with Russia. The Republicans call Biden Beijing Biden for his affiliations with China. I could make an entire list of these partisan counterpoints. It's just a shame that in this "great country" we couldn't do better and are stuck with these two. And sadly there are no adults in the room.

My overall point is sadly, I fear there will be chaos and mayhem the likes of which we've never seen.

Trump has said, "The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged." Think about the license he's giving his followers if they don't get what they want. It’s sad, and scary, when a sitting president goes so far to undermine democracy.
 

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well to be fair, Hillary Clinton and Pelosi have said the same thing to the effect of, "we will not concede". The point I'm trying to make is BOTH sides -- Republicans and Dems have a chessboard of equal pieces in play. The Dems accuse Trump of collusion with Russia. The Republicans call Biden Beijing Biden for his affiliations with China. I could make an entire list of these partisan counterpoints. It's just a shame that in this "great country" we couldn't do better and are stuck with these two. And sadly there are no adults in the room.

My overall point is sadly, I fear there will be chaos and mayhem the likes of which we've never seen.

There very much are adults in the room, you choose to try to diminish them. Sorry, there is a clear choice, and it is an easy choice as well as a choice that has no down side to it. Biden won in the most diverse field the Democrats have EVER had. The so called far left wasn't so far gone that they did not understand the vital importance in unifying behind a candidate with broad experience, who can learn and grow from his mistakes and can build consensus from all parts on the political spectrum. That matters quite a bit. It promises as return to normal and rebuilding a functioning government and rolling back the poison Trump has been injecting all over the world. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. The function of this country is very much on the line here. There is a clear choice, a good choice and if you can't get behind that enthusiastically then you're just lost. Supporting Biden does not mean you have to agree with everything he wants to do, but if he wins you will be able to work more towards your goals than you ever could if Trump wins. Stop whining about the lack of a magic candidate that is all happy things to all people - not going to happen.

Faced with an overwhelming defeat, Trump will fold up like a cheap suit in a rainstorm - so will his looney tunes followers, He will be like Nixon in the respect that after be won in 1972 with a 49 state victory, you could not find a soul on the planet that admitted voting for him after he got on the plane and flew away.
 

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I remember the night Gore kinda lost to Bush II and then it went to the Supreme Court blah blah blah... it was hard fought, contested but there was never any suggestion that there would be riots or rebellions or whatever.

What happened to US politics in the last 20 years?
 

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I expect riots on election night if he wins. As if that's any different that any other day right now. Nothing new otherwise.
I'll give him this. He's the first republican president in my nearly 40 years of life that hasn't involved us in some bs war getting our soldiers killed over nothing.
 
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i agree. but the trick is, the election will be very Covidian -- in that it will be long and drawn out. So there will be plenty of moments and time for things to boil over and foment.all it takes is a few additional flashpoints for things to get quickly out of hand.

Things are deeply partisan and many precedents have been set. I feel like violence and blood is in the air. All the protests now involve guns. And while I agree it may be business as usual, we didn't have Covid in previous years and twitter and facebook have really become more politically influential in the most recent years.

maybe it will get so bad that we have no where else to go than come together and get along.


I expect riots on election night if he wins. As if that's any different that any other day right now. Nothing new otherwise.
I'll give him this. He's the first republican president in my nearly 40 years of life that hasn't involved us in some bs war getting our soldiers killed over nothing.
 

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Everything will be fine whoever wins. They’re will be protests either way. So what. The real bad shit you see from these protests is mostly staged to scare you and divide us.
 

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Everything will be fine whoever wins. They’re will be protests either way. So what. The real bad shit you see from these protests is mostly staged to scare you and divide us.

There will be no election. It's all staged.
 

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Trump will most likely win, my guess is the democrats will say he stole the election by denying mail in votes and encourage more riots. Trump has made the left insane and they are larping as freedom fighters by burning and looting, they have bought in to conspiracy theories of Russia and 'literally Hitler' so they are impossible to talk too. I don't know how far it will go, people are really getting tired of the riots, I hope things won't get too bad but they will get worse.
 
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I remember the night Gore kinda lost to Bush II and then it went to the Supreme Court blah blah blah... it was hard fought, contested but there was never any suggestion that there would be riots or rebellions or whatever.

What happened to US politics in the last 20 years?
Identify politics has put people into waring factions who believe it's all or nothing. The medi, both established and social, has hade a huge negative impact on politics overall, for the left the political is the personal it's an existential war, for the right it's border control and tax cuts. Both sides are reacting to eachother but the left is more zealous socially, that's why people are so hyped up.
 

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Identify politics has put people into waring factions who believe it's all or nothing. The medi, both established and social, has hade a huge negative impact on politics overall, for the left the political is the personal it's an existential war, for the right it's border control and tax cuts. Both sides are reacting to eachother but the left is more zealous socially, that's why people are so hyped up.
...and we're back to the Culture Wars, again.

Keeps on coming back to that, as far as I can tell.
 

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...and we're back to the Culture Wars, again.

Keeps on coming back to that, as far as I can tell.
It tends to yeah. America is basically a culture divide between big cities and country towns. If you live in a city you are probably more for gun control because people are shooting eachother, if you live in the country, where it would take police a long time to reach you, you need a gun. America is so big I sometimes wonder if it can last as a federal state. I get that state rights are a thing but in a country for 350 million agreement is impossible, especially with only two mainstream parties. Thanks to the dominance of neo-liberal economic policy there are few differences between republican and democratic policies so culture becomes the battlefield as proxy and people ignore economic policies. This also benefits big business and the power elite, if you can distract the people with cultural problems they won't overturn an unjust economic and political system.
 

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It tends to yeah. America is basically a culture divide between big cities and country towns. If you live in a city you are probably more for gun control because people are shooting eachother, if you live in the country, where it would take police a long time to reach you, you need a gun. America is so big I sometimes wonder if it can last as a federal state. I get that state rights are a thing but in a country for 350 million agreement is impossible, especially with only two mainstream parties. Thanks to the dominance of neo-liberal economic policy there are few differences between republican and democratic policies so culture becomes the battlefield as proxy and people ignore economic policies. This also benefits big business and the power elite, if you can distract the people with cultural problems they won't overturn an unjust economic and political system.
I always love being lectured on "American Culture" by someone who lives in the United Kingdom.