I'm gay, but I agree with this guy

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Call me devil's advocate, but by expressing how he truly feels on a subject and being totally honest with everyone is he now less intelligent than he was before? Because he said something that you did not like?

You can not like something someone says, not agree with the way someone feels, and despise what they do, but you have to respect it, correct? Like you respect a drag queen for being honest with himself.

So why now do you demoralize this guy for speaking his mind and doing the same thing?

At any rate, I didn't watch the video, but I agree and disagree with some of the inferred points.

A person who is an "effeminate" gay person doesn't bother me at all, but a loud, obnoxious, rude, boisterous person is going to be a loud, rude, obnoxious, and boisterous person...queen or not.

I don't feel I should show extra restraint on how I feel about a loud, obnoxious, rude and boisterous person because that person is also gay. I'm going to dislike that type of person. Period.

I'm not even going to delve into the "whore" part of the argument. I don't know everything the video says. Just my two cents on what I pick up, but I'm not sure if I even care to watch it.


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Maybe the flaming gays don't mean to look act women but that's how it comes across. Other gays, I don't mind. Because they are like undercover gays and don't make such a scene about it.

To infer that he is OK with gays that are 'undercover gays that do not make a scene about it' is offensive. For one to be proud of their diversity
is their prerogative. Flamers have the right to shout it from the roof tops, even if it is not OK with you or ScaredLittleBoy. Period
 

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I didn't say it was wrong to disagree with him. I said it was wrong to berate him for being honest and speaking his mind.

I bring to your recollection again the comments about "Maybe he isn't so intelligent" that you and others said. He's automatically dumb because he said something you don't like? That's like saying "I hate you now because you just came out to me and if you never came out to me, we'd still be friends."

I didn't say what he said was right. And didn't even say I hate queens. My uncle was a "queen". I'm just saying as it's not right to berate the "queen" for speaking his mind, it's not right to berate ScaredLittleBoy for doing the same.

Universalized judgment concepts.
 

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I do not think you get it. He is saying in not so many words that gay men that are not so vocal and stay undercover (perhaps closeted) is OK with him. Opinions I can understand but pushing the fags back 'into line' to suit him is not acceptable and not intelligent
 

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Wow, what a jumped up little shit with an over inflated sense of self importance that twat in the video is. Gays are OK as long as they act 100% straight, so others don’t know? Wow, and women should get their arses back in the kitchen and blacks back in the fields I suppose. What an arse.

Personally I find effeminate men a little difficult to deal with, my upbringing I guess, so on that front I understand, but as a gay guy, many of the rights and tolerances in society I enjoy today, I have as a result of the scarifies 'queens' and effeminate openly gay men have made and on that front, i respect them. Live and let live guys... or is that gals? Oh my, what a bitch, right then, handbags at dawn anyone?

Agreed. The I-don't-care-if-you're-gay-as-long-as-you-act-straight argument is the last refuge of bigoted homophobia. Anyone who thinks that such an attitude is an improvement over intolerance is blind.

Sadly, this attitude is more common in the gay community with its "straight acting/appearance" self-loathing than among straights (who generally really don't give a damn). Internalized homophobia is a dangerous game that leads to nothing but problems.

It will only be when young gay people feel as comfortable expressing themselves and being who they are as cheerleaders and quarterbacks feel comfortable and proud of themselves that we'll have reached equality. Until then, we'll always be at the back of the social bus, gladly taking the seats we thing we deserve.

I have never been especially nelly, but never (since I came out at 17) tried to "pass" as straight, either. This has brought both positive (being a role model/ambassador) and negative (being denied due promotions, especially in the 80s). But being a non-conformist always carries its social risks.
 

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I agree with that guy too, I can't stand queens. They act like they are better than everyone else, and think that straight people (men and women) are fucking horrible.

My dad and I are in the remodel business, and he almost got into a fight with a queen-type last week. Everything my dad did that was right was not good enough for this guy. And he eventually told my dad to shut the fuck up because he was wrong. This guy was so gay, that he chose one contractor simply because they had a rainbow in their company logo. My dad was just there to do a simple repair on something that was caused by this guy's house sinking. We had never dealt with the guy before, we were just doing this as a favor to our friend, the contractor with the rainbow logo. The repair was flawless, but the customer wanted to have the thing completely replaced, not repaired. And he didn't want to pay for it either.

Sorry for the rant.

I have also noticed in chat that some gays will badmouth and trash the women that are in there. There is no reason for that.

Ah yes, and the poor women need a guy like you to hate "queens" for them?

So you can take the "straight" stance of defending women, and that ok? You can make comments about your own sexuality and signal it, but gay men need to keep it quiet?

Go into the adult website section right now and defend the poor women from all the offensive, sexist shite there is in there - or is that ok?