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"Imagine if the Tea Party Was Black"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Industrialsize, Apr 24, 2010.

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    This is what I thought an interesting, thought provoking little article:
    ..."Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans? Because, after all, that’s what happened recently when white gun enthusiasts descended upon the nation’s capital, arms in hand, and verbally announced their readiness to make war on the country’s political leaders if the need arose.

    Ephphatha Poetry: "Imagine if the Tea Party Was Black" - Tim Wise

    Imagine that white members of Congress, while walking to work, were surrounded by thousands of angry black people, one of whom proceeded to spit on one of those congressmen for not voting the way the black demonstrators desired. Would the protesters be seen as merely patriotic Americans voicing their opinions, or as an angry, potentially violent, and even insurrectionary mob? After all, this is what white Tea Party protesters did recently in Washington...."
     
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    ha, I was going to post this last night but was too tired...

    But you have to remember, sociopaths don't care about other perspectives. They just want power and control at any cost to others. In fact, the more that other people suffer due to the actions of the sociopath, the better the sociopath feels about what they are doing.
     
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    Tim Wise is brilliant. He definitely sheds a much needed light on subject matters that people try so desperately to ignore.

    All one has to do is remember the reactions of some people when N.W.A made the song "Fuck Tha Police" to know how society would have reacted if the Tea Partiers were all black. Then again, perhaps we would have adopted a much better name? I mean, even we knew what teabagging was. :wink:

    Yeah, we saw the picture of six black men in the crowd of 25,000 caucasians. It was like playing a game of "Where's Waldo - The Hillbilly Edition". So, now that Tea Baggers have their token black friend photo-op, what makes you think that changes the overall argument? :rolleyes:
     
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    The Gun Rights Rallies aren't Tea Party rallies. :rolleyes:

    Gun Rights Groups, Right Wingers Battle Each Other In DC

    The whole article was ridiculous but that part was just deplorable. No group can be responsible for or should be defined by a few nuts. The crazies or racists do not represent the Tea Party. Clarence Page saw for himself that the racist stereotypes were inaccurate:

    Tea party stereotypes largely inaccurate

     
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    The crazies or racists do represent the Tea Party baggers. there fixed that.
     
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    Priceless.
     
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    These types of comments define the power of the Tea Party and how desperate the Democrats feel going into November.
     
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    lololololol

    If you weren't racist, then you wouldn't be offended.



    Run, run, run from reality little PUMA troll.

    One question though, you said that the "crazies OR racists"... You're clearly stating that while one group doesn't represent the Teabaggers, you're agreeing that the other group DOES... So which is it according to you? Do the racists represent the teabaggers, or do the crazies represent the teabaggers?
     
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    ^lolololol..... Yes, a snarky comment on a message board literally defines the politics of all center-left voters in the entire nation.

    I'm sorry, but weren't you the person who only moments before wrote,
    lololol.... Keep running in circles troll!
     
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    You recall incorrectly. The Black Panthers never did that.
     
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    lolol... Yeah, it's just the same exact people who show up to piss and moan at both events... But, but, but... they're different groups, really!
     
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    As usual, Trinsanity doesn't tell you the full truth.
    As it states in the very article it sourced: For nearly a year, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has been investigating the Department of Justice’s voluntary dismissal of a voter intimidation suit against the New Black Panther Party and some of its members. In other words, the new case has NOTHING to do with the Black Panthers. It's about the DOJ who dismissed the case. Get your facts right, bigot.

    Also, Trinsanity, I already destroyed the credibility of one bigot on this board who tried to twist that whole incident in Philly to be some kind of voter intimidation. Turns out that one of the two evil "black men" who were in front of the building actually lived there so he had the right to be in front of that building, dressed however he wanted and holding whatever the heck he wanted in his hands. Plus, plenty of people were walking in and out of the building including white people so nobody was intimidated. Perhaps the man with the phone who was too scared of the big, black man in army garbs should have held granny's hand as she walked right into the building with no altercation?

    I'd advise you to stick to birther threads. Just like the AmeriCorps thread where I ripped you to shreds, I'll do it tenfold here. Now, be a dumb b**** and respond. I'm gonna take pride in slapping you around on this one.
     
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    i think thats a bit of a stretch, i think an armed mob descending on Washington receives the same reaction from the general public no matter what color they are.

    the only people that are semi ok with it are the actual people involved with the tea party... (they really need to come up with a better name than teabaggers)

    but imagine if it was aliens...
     
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    would you say that again please?

    A federal lawsuit was filed charging Black Panther voter intimidation at a Philidelphia polling place on November 4th, the day of the presidential election. The DOJ charged three men professing to be members of the New Black Panther Party, and although video evidence, voter and a polling official’s testimony stated there was verbal intimidation, as well as a Black Panther member guarding the doorway with a night stick, Obama’s DOJ has dismissed the charges among objections of DOJ protection, with never a day in court.

    Obama takin care of his boys. I'm just glad that wasn't my polling place. I would have had some panther shish kabob.
     
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    You wanna play this game, Big_E? OK.
    What is plainly obvious with the two videos is that someone with a cell phone saw two black men with a nightstick and got scared. To him, they were dressed funny, openly had a weapon and were there just to scare off people. His yelling of the words, “He has a billy club in his hand”, makes this very apparent. So let’s first look at the situation from the angle of weapon possession, and link that with obvious, observational findings to demonstrate how much bullshit this claim regarding "voter intimidation" really is.

    You would be disappointed to know that in the United States, many states allow for the legal carrying of any form a baton-styled device or weapon in the absence of unlawful behavior or criminal intent. They are rarely banned specifically by name in law. How does this relate to the state of Pennsylvania? According to Pennsylvania law regarding prohibited offensive weapons, the only form of baton-style weapon that is illegal to have is a stun baton. Therefore, being in possession of an unconcealed nightstick in Philadelphia is legal. Prohibited offensive weapons - 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 908 - Pennsylvania Attorney Resources - Pennsylvania Laws

    Of course, a billy club can also be considered a lethal weapon so if the two black men were breaking the law there would be probable cause for alarm. So, can we find any criminal intent here? Since one of the men actually lived in the building, they weren’t loitering unless you think it’s actually illegal for someone to stand in front of the building they pay rent in. Wearing militant looking clothing isn’t illegal either, so you can’t bring up an issue regarding Police Impersonation either.

    Knowing this, let’s look at the claim of voter intimidation. According to Project Vote, voter intimidation is any concerted effort or practice by an individual or group on behalf of a party or candidate to coerce the voting behavior of a particular class or demographic of voters. Voter Intimidation

    So, let’s go back to the tapes!!! :rolleyes:
    In the second video, when the police told the two men, “You can’t stop people from voting”, you can clearly hear the voice of a woman around the twenty-nine second mark telling the officers, “They’re not stopping anybody.” And of course, there was grandma who strolled right in without altercation, as well as another elderly gentleman in the first video and several other people of various ages and races. That’s plenty of evidence to prove that the two men were not engaging in voter intimidation. And much to your chagrin, one person’s deeply rooted intolerance and phobias regarding black men holding nightsticks doesn’t translate to a crime. These are most likely the reasons why the charges against them were tossed out of court to begin with. And thanks to Double Jeopardy and the 5th amendment, the two men cannot be tried again for the same offense. Game over.

    Gee, ain’t it funny how when a large group of trigger happy Teahading Caucasians wave their loaded guns in the air and rifles strapped to their back it’s considered “patriotic”, but when two black men hold a stick in their hand and bother nobody but a scared little boy with a cell phone who actually approached them first it’s called “intimidation”? And why is it always "Obama's Boys" when someone does something you don't like? Grant it, I know you don't like Obama and that's fine. But don't let your obvious prejudices regarding articulate negroes get in the way of using your mind. Then again, you lost that already so carry on with your bigotry. :rolleyes:
     
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    What Vinyl said.
     
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    This is why if you fuckin read honestly i don't think you can.

    Obama’s DOJ has dismissed the charges among objections of protection, with never a day in court.

    Obama had the investigation called off. I can carry a baseball bat too, that doesn't mean I can't use it as weapon. He sure as hell wasn't waving it around for self defense.
    I like your hypothesies and your most likely's open you fucken eyes for once. Why then is there an injunction on Shabazz from ever brandishing a weapon in front of a polling place? You're absolutely right they must have been selling girl scout cookies and didn't want to get robbed. What about the testimony of the poll workers? You know damn well they were up to no good. I'm so tired of your double standard shit. it's so old , but you've got nothing else. In fact thats all the libs have. If you don't like it it's racist. You can disagree and dislike but don't throw that shit out there.

    and where are these people with rifle strapped on the backs intimidating the general public? somewhere I must have missed that on the news.
     
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    Oh my... seems as if the articulate negro pissed off Mr. Steroid again.

    First off, bigot, do you have any proof that Obama told the DOJ to call this investigation off or are you pulling that out of your ass? Secondly, since when are we supposed to govern our nation based on unfounded suspicions and phobias? Nobody was afraid to go into the building... the video that was captured for evidence shows many of folks going in and out of the building without incident. It has the voice of someone present saying that they were not stopping anyone. The person capturing the video made it clear in both videos, through his bantering, that he was concerned that a "black man holding a nightstick" may come off as being intimidating. His paranoia doesn't constitute as voter intimidation, no matter how many times you drop the F-Bomb at me. Which, BTW, if you want the Ebonic derivative you spell with an "I" instead of an "E". It's fuckin', as in "fuckin' idiot"... you know, one of my several pet name for you. But that's a whole different discussion. :rolleyes:

    I obviously seen and heard more in those videos than you have. Plus, Pennsylvanian Law regarding weapons are on my side. So, are you going to argue the facts or do you want to continue exposing yourself as a racist bigot that's all muscle substance with no cranial sustenance? Your choice.
     
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    If thats what you think than bigot I am. Your opinion means nothing to me. You can't have it both ways. They knew exactly what they were trying to achieve there. You know it I know I and and so does everyone else. That was no different then if it were a couple skin heads. You ought to take some grammar lessons yourself (I obviously seen... I've obviously seen). Whether it's an illegal weapon or not makes no difference their intent was the same. Security my ass.
     
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    That's something we can agree on.

    Which is why you responded back to my opinion, right?
    You can cut the BS now. :rolleyes:

    I'm not having it both ways. I'm telling you, based on FACT and not through your own preconceived prejudices what is going on. You're just mad that the result doesn't end in the defending of your own bigoted ignorance.

    Blah, blah, blah. Go lick your wounds in private and not in the front of people who wouldn't give a f*** if you died tomorrow. There is no evidence of voter intimidation in those videos and you know it. That is why those two black men are not in prison now, and why you're just a bitter son of a bitch who hates it when others don't see it your way. Next time, don't bring your glaringly racist ideologies to a debate regarding the facts... or at least make it more difficult for me to skewer your ass. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ahem... is this really necessary?

    There's no need to go there. Just remind him that his brand of rhetoric might cut it with a small segment of the population today, but in a few years, it's not going to cut it with anybody... Thus, it would be wise for folks with such an antiquated mindset to think about what it will mean in the future if they burn bridges with most people today... Espousing ethnically/racially motivated bigotry isn't the sort of thing that people ever forget as long as they live.

    The whole 'angry old white men' movement reminds me of a cousin of mine who is several years older than me, but was always small for his age... When we were kids, my cousin Greg was 10 when I was 6, but because he was small and I was big, we were almost the same size (I was also abnormally advanced scholastically, while he flunked a grade). He used to pick on me rather severely for being 'nerdy' (plus I was too young to know sports yet) until one day, my mom caught him picking on me, and punished him with a timeout. While he was in timeout, she talked to him and made him think about what his actions would mean in the future... She asked him, who is bigger and stronger, your dad or his dad? (mine was waaaay bigger). Then, who is bigger and stronger, your mom or his mom (mine was much taller, and was a cop and in the military and thus rather intimidating for a woman)... Then she was like, so who do you think is going to be bigger and stronger when you grow up, you or him? Then she said something like, if you pick on him, he's never going to forget it and one day, when he grows up, he's going to decide it's time to pick on YOU, but he will be so big and strong, you won't be able to stop him, and neither will anybody else. Once reality sunk in, my cousin Greg never picked on me like that ever again.

    This is what the rightwingers are doing to themselves today... if this keeps up, in a few years when 'angry old white men' are severely outnumbered, they're going to find themselves regretting their actions of today in a big way.
     
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    Perhaps it was a little rough. Then again, I've never been the one to treat a blatant racist with any level of kindness or respect. IMO, there is a point where engaging people in PC talk does nothing. This isn't the first time, nor is Big_E the first person who brought up this issue and the comments are all the same. What's worse is how they try to write it off as some kind of government conspiracy, as if anyone in congress is really concerned with two black men standing in front of a building with nightsticks.

    It's 2010, and this board is supposed to be composed of adults. Regardless of the choice of words people make (because I don't really care if someone decides to type like a Rhodes Scholar or a Middle School Reject), there should be a basic understanding of what is ethically right and wrong displayed here. We all know that discriminating against people based on appearance is wrong, so I find these gripes that "the e" composes to be an insult to any rational thinker's intelligence.
     
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    I'd side with Black Panthers over white bankers any day; every day
     
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    You're absolutely right except that were not all old or small. Last time I checked we are still the majority, and our way of life and beliefs are shared by all races. We opend the door invited the world in, but we'll be damed if we are going to hand them the key and our pocket books.

    There is nothing better to fight to the death for. Why live if your way of life is lost? You bring your night stick Vynl Boy and I'll bring my AK-47 and we'll dance at the tea party.
     
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    AK-47s? Well, obviously if the Teabaggers were black, they'd at least be polite enough to ask if we wanted "sweet or unsweet?" That much is blatantly obvious.
     
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    Actually, I wouldn't be there with anything because I know it's pointless to get into a physical altercation with someone who displays no glimpse of cerebral synergy. If you want to cause physical abuse to someone who disagrees with you just to protect your right to be greedy and/or bigoted, then go right on ahead and do it. Find another radical nut job and start shooting & swinging at each other. I'll be here watching from the sidelines, feeling a bit happier that the gene pool is slowly being cleansed of the socially deficient chromosomes.

    And you're right... you are part of the majority. Clearly, there are more stupid people in America than smart ones. :rolleyes:
     
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    Still the majority??? Umm, no, you're not even remotely close to the majority, which probably explains why you guys got your ass kicked in the last two elections, even though the True Believers™ swore up and down that they had both elections in the bag.

    As we already know, conservatives aren't exactly known for being 'in touch' with society, which is part of how they become conservatives in the first place. They can't keep up with the rest of us.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html



    And the most recent Gallup poll shows that Republican party affiliation continues to wallow, and now stands at just 26% of all voters...
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx



    Gallup's most recent Party ID map shows just 5 states are decidedly 'Republican'... The total population of those 5 states is a minuscule 5.6 million residents, which isn't even 2% of the national population.
    http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com...roduction/Cms/POLL/de8avqmxfku8xtscosvtxq.jpg
     
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