IMF Head Arrested On Sexual Assault Charges!

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Yeah, the old dog has oversize baggage of sexual misconduct all right, but he is "innocent until proven guilty".

Still, I am willing to bet he did it (but not in EUR, at the rate the USD is slipping, I can't afford it). Any takers?

2 observations:

1. Wow! 62 and still obsessed with sex (and outside marriage, although the wife is about 2,516% better-looking than he is).

2. What is it with politicians? It truly boggles my mind. Do they still think THEY will get away with it, when countless others have been caught and ended in disgrace?
 

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He's a known hound. La Pais has some stories coming to press tomorrow I am told. She picked him out of a lineup. I have zero sympathy.
 

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There is a lot of misreporting in this case and frankly unprovable allegations such as false imprisonment etc etc. In the meantime he is refused bail and holed up in a notorious prison. Is that really appropriate for these allegations?

Are they alleging rape or sexual assault?

What happened to the Wikileaks guy who had similar issues?
 

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There is a lot of misreporting in this case and frankly unprovable allegations such as false imprisonment etc etc. In the meantime he is refused bail and holed up in a notorious prison. Is that really appropriate for these allegations?

Are they alleging rape or sexual assault?

What happened to the Wikileaks guy who had similar issues?

Rikers is where everyone who is awaiting trial are housed in NYC (if they have been denied bail) It's not as hideous as it's made out to be especially the area he is being held in. (It's not a $3,000.00 a night suite but it's not a hell hole either) Inside Rikers, IMF Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s New Jail Residence - TIME NewsFeed
 

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So how is the arrest of the head of a major international institution widely expected to become president of France not a political story so has been moved from the politics forum to etc?

Do the americans round here think that politics stops at the borders of the USA? Further revenge because France refused to invade Iraq?

Some US lawyer was being interviewed today expressing his annoyance that the authorities deliberately exhibit selected people they have arrested looking their worst after having been locked up for a couple of days so as to make them appear like villains.
 

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So how is the arrest of the head of a major international institution widely expected to become president of France not a political story so has been moved from the politics forum to etc?

Do the americans round here think that politics stops at the borders of the USA? Further revenge because France refused to invade Iraq?

Some US lawyer was being interviewed today expressing his annoyance that the authorities deliberately exhibit selected people they have arrested looking their worst after having been locked up for a couple of days so as to make them appear like villains.

The first thread was started in this forum. A second thread was started in politics and merged with this one. If it means that much to you I'll move it back. It was one of those threads that walked a fine line between two forums.
 
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I figured he had diplomatic immunity. Apparently not.

It appears that he was there on his "own" hard-won dime to have lunch with his daughter.

Funny how the USD 3,000 suite somehow doesn't rhyme too well with the redistributive tenets of his so-called "Socialist" party.

Hypocrisy and Government Bureaucrats: BFF. :love:
 

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Frankly, if people think that staying in a junior suite and having a powerful job makes you guilty, the judge should dismiss the charges because the man will not have a fair trial.

But then he has had extra marital sex in the past so he must be a rapist. Just like women rape victims who have had more than one sex partner no doubt.

I would like to know what a maid is doing going into his room on his check out day in the first place. House keeping don't touch your room until you have checked out, so why is she there?

Then, how do you falsely imprison someone, when every such hotel that I stay in, has a default lock position when the door is shut? I.e. it is locked from the outside and there is no lock on the inside. All you generally have is a Do Not Disturb light. You may have a door chain. I suppose if you want the assault charge to stick, you have to be held there against your will, but I would like to know how that is practically possible, did he use force?

Again I don't like the salacious nature of the reporting, "he emerged from the shower naked......" WTF, are you expecting him to be wearing a suit in the shower?

Guilty or not, I also find it remarkable that he was not granted bail
 
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Guilty or not, I also find it remarkable that he was not granted bail

Given his French citizenship and the fact that there is no extradition treaty between the 2 countries, his denial of bail was not extraordinary.

The mainstream media here are usually careful about qualifying events of that nature with "charged with", "accused of", and generally pay lip service to the presumption of innocence, at a minimum.

However, the man evidently has a history of violence towards women, and I would bet money he did it.

As for the "junior" $3,000 suite, how do you reconcile it with his party's credo?
 

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Guaranteed flight risk. Wealth, citizenship of a non-extraditing nation and sure access to flights to others once abroad, 'prior bad acts', transparent attempt to flee the scene considering the timeline? It does smell of fish.

If it walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck....
 

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Sorry, what is his history of violence to women?
Yup, I agree. There is no evidence that he was violent towards women in the past! He was/is a cheating bastard, but never accused of being violent.
That being said, doesn`t mean he hasn`t started being so just now.
 

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French intern reporter said something about him coming at her like a 'rutted chimp", a diplomats daughter from somewhere has come forward. His wife is standing by him...I'll wait to see what comes of it. I agree with his handling so far, knowing that law enforcement would most certainly not kneejerk something with implications like this.
 

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Given his French citizenship and the fact that there is no extradition treaty between the 2 countries, his denial of bail was not extraordinary.

You take his passport and have him tagged. Do you really think that the Head of the IMF and a serious candidate for the French Presidency is going to go on the run? If he is not proven guilty, you will have deeply insulted many people and a major country.
 

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He is now on suicide watch as he being held at this moment from what I heard in the news here, I think his political career in France is done for or taken a downside at least, but I think the French media had known about him and his treatment of women suboardinates for awhile now, so this isnt a surprise to them.
 

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....... I think his political career in France is done for or taken a downside at least, but I think the French media had known about him and his treatment of women suboardinates for awhile now, so this isnt a surprise to them.

Interesting point. Even if he's innocent, it has highlighted his previous sexual (mis)conduct.

How will the French view this? The next Berlusconi?
 

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You take his passport and have him tagged. Do you really think that the Head of the IMF and a serious candidate for the French Presidency is going to go on the run? If he is not proven guilty, you will have deeply insulted many people and a major country.


Are you daft? Strauss-Kahn has the wealth and political connections to avoid extradition if he needed them, but there is no treaty in place between France and the United States to allow for extradition, as Domisoldo pointed out. (This fact was also mentioned in the web citation offered earlier.) It's stupid to assume he'd voluntarily come back to the United States to hear charges in the future -- especially if he's guilty.

Roman Polanski
-- the brilliant film director and child rapist! -- escaped from the United States while on bail awaiting final sentencing by simply flying to France under his own passport and living there from 1978 until he unwisely traveled to Switzerland, where he was arrested, in 2009. He has so far escaped prosecution, but that doesn't change the fact that he broke the law here, is a fugitive, and has an outstanding arrest warrant. (A 43-year old man sleeping with a 13-year girl should offend anybody's sensibilities, but that's another Thread.)

This 'escaping justice' was precisely what the Judge was trying to avoid in the Strauss-Kahn case:

New York Times said:
Indeed, Judge Jackson, the supervising judge of Manhattan Criminal Court, indicated that she was concerned about Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s being stopped at the airport.

“When I hear that your client was at J.F.K. Airport about to board a flight,” she said, “that raises some concern.”

If he wasn't a flight risk, why was he trying to get the hell out of Dodge? You can read the entire article here.

Since you're apparently unfamiliar with how United States law works, I'll give you the quick version:

  1. No one is above the law.
  2. Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
  3. Everyone accused of a criminal action is entitled to a speedy trial.
  4. If the facts fail to prove that he is guilty, he will be set free.
  5. Concerns about 'insulting people' are not considered when enforcing the law... nor should they be.
I'm not sure if you feel the need to defend the guy or if you just wanted to bash the United States by inferring that detaining him is wrong. Either way, rape is a serious allegation. Don't you think it's prudent for any jurisdiction to keep someone accused of rape off the streets (where they could potentially rape again) until compelling evidence that exonerates them is produced or until they were proven guilty? If you don't think it's prudent, who's to blame if he goes free pending trial and commits another crime?

If it was a set-up, as some in the French press have suggested, that will become evident.

I actually suspect the accuser will receive a huge pay-off and withdraw the complaint. If the courts don't have a witness that will testify against the accused, the prosecution cannot go forward. This isn't justice, but it is the way the justice system can be gamed. I think that's what we'll see happen and I'd be surprised if takes more than two weeks.
 
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You take his passport and have him tagged. Do you really think that the Head of the IMF and a serious candidate for the French Presidency is going to go on the run? If he is not proven guilty, you will have deeply insulted many people and a major country.
It does seem a bit extreme - and harshly handled, whatever he's done.