IMF Head Arrested On Sexual Assault Charges!

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Has anyone explained why she was in his room?

My experience of staying in a couple of swish New York hotels suggests that there is no way on the planet that any member of staff wouldn't know he was in his room.

Those damn keycards & entry codes have to be operative for anything to work, & I would expect the chief of the IMF to have the most luxurious & secure apartment.

Of course, like most maids, she could have chosen to ignorantly ignored this...

I had a maid walk in on me in Spain when I was stark naked trying to put a condom on - she screamed - thank God she then saw I was with someone else. I'd said "NO!" when she put her keys in the door - when will they learn that no means no?

As for DSK, I hope that he's also prosecuted for sodomizing Ireland & Greece too!
 

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I take it that you are ignorant of the fact that he had always been booked on that flight and had a meeting with the European Finance Ministers the next day.

I thought that the NYPD had now admitted that they had "mislead" people about their heroics in pulling a fugitive off an escape plane?

EDIT - no doubt you will be correct when the movie version comes out.

No, I was fully aware of his previously arranged flight plans. So, let me give you an analogy so that you can understand why even going to the airport complicates his claim that he is innocent.

Let's say you an appointment with --- I don't know, somebody important -- maybe David Cameron invited you to tea or something like that. On the way there, you are involved in a traffic accident. It wasn't your fault (at least in your mind), but there is an injured person on the road. Do you:
a) press on to your previously arranged tea? OR
b) stay behind and sort things out with the police?
Don't be daft, Drifterwood... if the guy was innocent, wouldn't he be anxious to make sure the police knew he did nothing to the girl? Why do innocent people run?

Look -- people on this board obviously like you. I've actually had people write me messages and ask me to 'cut you some slack' because you are generally a good guy. Unless your mission in life is to now take a 180-degree position from anything I say, I can't understand why you are so fiercely attacking everything I say in this Thread or acting rudely in others. And if you're not defending DSK (I believe earlier you said you didn't really like the guy), why all the vitriol against the United States and specifically, to anything I have an opinion on and wish to share?

Are you that childish? Am I misreading all of your jabs? Do explain.
 
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My experience of staying in a couple of swish New York hotels suggests that there is no way on the planet that any member of staff wouldn't know he was in his room.

Those damn keycards & entry codes have to be operative for anything to work, & I would expect the chief of the IMF to have the most luxurious & secure apartment.

Of course, like most maids, she could have chosen to ignorantly ignored this...

I had a maid walk in on me in Spain when I was stark naked trying to put a condom on - she screamed - thank God she then saw I was with someone else. I'd said "NO!" when she put her keys in the door - when will they learn that no means no?

As for DSK, I hope that he's also prosecuted for sodomizing Ireland & Greece too!

I'm laughing about the maid seeing you. I was handed an electronic key card for a hotel room I had booked online. I was very late getting to the hotel because of a flight delay and the clerk apparently didn't realize my room had been given to someone else. I put the key in the lock, pushed open the door, and was confronted by women in her mid-50s sitting on the toilet with the bathroom door open. Not sexy at all.

She screamed, I yelled "I'm sorry", and I went back down to the front desk. Hotels make mistakes sometimes.
 

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CG - you keep stalking my posts and start the anti american yawn yawn line.

Just try to imagine, that if he wasn't aware of anything being upset, he would just be going about his normal business, which in this case was to catch a plane.

You have to assume his guilt, which clearly you want to, to conclude that he was seeking to evade the situation. A situation which I will repeat for you, an innocent man would have no knowledge of.

And no, this type of person, as presented in the media, is not my cup of tea. That doesn't make him guilty though, does it?
 
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At least we all now know that a "stud grip" is a sexual felony and carries a three month jail term.

DW, you may have gotten wind of the infamous Outreau case in 2004, in which an over-zealous judge in France sent 13 innocent people to prison on child abuse charges, based on false accounts by the key witness.

One committed suicide.

The memory of this case may explain why so many on the other side of the Atlantic are more skeptical about the maid's accounts than we seem to be here.
 

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The memory of this case may explain why so many on the other side of the Atlantic are more skeptical about the maid's accounts than we seem to be here.

I don't think that has anything to do with this.

I seriously believe that this reaction, is in part, because DSK is one of the Left's own.

Practically any rape case, or killing of a woman, causes the male accused, or suspected, to be hung, drawn & quartered by the press, regardless of proof, or eventual acquittal.

Not this case, however - & not Assange's either ( although having read extensively, & knowing the real names of those women - rape is a laughable complaint in those proceedings).

If it had been a right wing politician, I honestly believe that the European press would have flayed him alive.

All rich people are bad :wink:.

Put his knob in the guillotine..........

I don't doubt that there are innumerable dodgy deals that he has done that he should have been jailed for! A French politician, & head of the IMF - it's hardly unknown LOL.

Remember Mike Tyson & Desiree Washington? No one believed those charges, but everyone believed that he'd probably done far worse & gotten away with it, so fuck him.

I watched his film last week, & he still vigourously denied any rape of DW, but then said, that he had done at least 6 or 7 things WORSE, so had come to accept his detention as payback.

We'll have to see what happens I guess.

Never trust an exceedingly rich ex-communist!
 
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CG - you keep stalking my posts and start the anti american yawn yawn line.

Just try to imagine, that if he wasn't aware of anything being upset, he would just be going about his normal business, which in this case was to catch a plane.

You have to assume his guilt, which clearly you want to, to conclude that he was seeking to evade the situation. A situation which I will repeat for you, an innocent man would have no knowledge of.

And no, this type of person, as presented in the media, is not my cup of tea. That doesn't make him guilty though, does it?

You didn't answer the question I posed: do you stop and wait on the police or continue on to your tea?

It appears that DSK has more issues on his plate since at least a majority of at least 16 people who heard the evidence that the NYPD collected against him have decided the Judge was right to bind him over and there wasn't enough evidence in what was presented to exonerate him on the spot. So, under our rules, he's still presumed innocent but it's obvious now that something went down.

By the way, you should DEFINITELY report this Thread to the LPSG Moderation Team since you're claiming that I am stalking you.

Making a slimy allegation like that, Drifterwood, requires
either agreement from this Site's Moderators OR it requires a public apology from you for making such an outrageous claim ... I would be tempted to ask for a temporary ban against you, since you pointed out that it's wrong to think that an innocent person should be treated badly without some sort of recompense, but I'm not that petty.

I'm willing for the Site Moderators to scrutinize and decide this, so make sure you follow through.
 
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I seriously believe that this reaction, is in part, because DSK is one of the Left's own.
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If it had been a right wing politician, I honestly believe that the European press would have flayed him alive.

If indeed he is proven innocent, he will emerge as a martyr and will become the next French president, guaranteed.

I can safely predict that cross-Atlantic relationships may suffer a bit then...:biggrin1:
 

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It appears the American judicial system is not as barbaric as has been claimed in this Thread:

New York State Supreme Court Judge Michael Obus said that Mr Strauss-Kahn, 62, can be released on $1 million cash bail, and placed under 24-hour home detention with electronic monitoring - conditions that had been proposed by his lawyers.

You can read the whole story here (in the Telegraph; not an American paper). And in case you think those are onerous terms, read the last line there in the quote... "proposed by his lawyers".
 

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Here's a great opinion piece from Maureen Dowd that expresses New York sentiment surrounding DSK and his alleged conduct that resulted in a Grand Jury indictment earlier this afternoon on charges of criminal sexual act, attempted rape and unlawful imprisonment.

I looked on all the main stream media here and I haven't found one editorial yet supporting him as 'good guy' or 'victim of circumstances' or 'innocent bystander wrongly and cruelly arrested while peaceably waiting on a previously scheduled France-bound flight' or a 'honey-pot victim'. But I'll keep looking... I'm sure there is an editorial columnist who will want to take the counter-point, regardless of how indefensible things look.
 

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I looked on all the main stream media here and I haven't found one editorial yet supporting him as 'good guy' or 'victim of circumstances' or 'innocent bystander wrongly and cruelly arrested while peaceably waiting on a previously scheduled France-bound flight' or a 'honey-pot victim'.

On another thread - the Gulf of Mexico oil spill - it became clear that the tone of UK and US reporting often differs markedly. I'm sure you are right that all the main US media are going with pretty much the same angle, and it would actually be a brave one that stepped outside of the consensus view. But consensus is not the same as correct.

In the UK the papers have already got a bit bored with the story. But there is certainly a UK view that this may be a honey trap. The effect of his arrest has been his IMF resignation and the end of his presidential ambitions. Whatever the outcome of his trial, DSK has already lost much, which, if it is a honey trap, makes it already successful one. There's also the sense that no-one could be as daft as DSK would have had to be to commit this assault, and amazement that a maid in a hotel of this price tag would wander into his suite when it was occupied.

Presumably we now have a protracted trial process. One outcome is that DSK's guilt will be proved. Another is that he is found not guilty. If the latter I suspect the US media will argue that he bought expensive lawyers and found a loop-hole, not that he really might be not guilty.
 

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If indeed he is proven innocent, he will emerge as a martyr and will become the next French president, guaranteed.

I can safely predict that cross-Atlantic relationships may suffer a bit then...:biggrin1:

I was wondering the same thing. :wink:

Though perhaps it will be more a case of not being proven guilty.
 

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Actually, I think I did.

I'm sorry, CG, the more you post, the more stupid you seem to make yourself appear. Please put me on ignore.

Fine, I'll do it for you, Drifterwood. I suspect you're already backing away from your slanderous insult, but you need to understand that disrespecting Forum participants like you did to me is not acceptable.

SITE MODERATORS:

Please determine if ColoradoGuy is guilty of stalking Drifterwood as alleged by Drifterwood in this Thread:

Drifterwood said:
CG - you keep stalking my posts and start the anti american yawn yawn line.

Please examine all posts and determine if evidence of 'stalking' (trolling) or harassment of another LPSG member is present and publicly announce your findings.

I will submit to any punishment you deem fit if I am actually guilty of violating the Forum Rules as posted.

This ends here, Drifterwood, until the Moderators have had a chance to weigh in.
 

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CG - you're being an ass.

I wonder if he is still searching for editorials that question the previous court decisions? :cool:

Actually, there are far more serious issues regarding this whole sorry story. As someone who travels a lot in foreign countries, I can say that falling foul of the local police/legal system when you are innocent is the nightmare scenario. There is an immediate presumption that foreigners are guilty.
 
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