Impeachment and Constitutional Rights

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  1. DC_DEEP

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    I was absently flipping through the channels yesterday, and happened upon a program that caught my attention. It was on C-SPAN2 Book TV - yes, it does exist, and no, I have never watched it before. The topic was presented by The Center For Constitutional Rights in New York City. The CCR-NY has compiled and published a book called "Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush", and several of the contributors were speaking about their own sections of the book. It was fascinating, and very encouraging for me.

    CCR-NY is a group of attorneys who have examined and compared The Constitution, current statutes, and the actions of the Bush administration, and pointed out many of the impeachable offenses committed thus far. Most attorneys I know personally or through their appearance in the media tend more toward preferring the debate rather than the resolution, regardless of what they are debating. This group appears to be different, in a good way. Someone is finally making progress! For those who care, but don't think that they can make a difference, this is your chance. For more information, please check out the website at http://www.ccr-ny.org. If you have concerns about current US foreign policy, civil rights issues, the laissez-faire attitude toward corruption and influence-peddling, citizen privacy issues, and a host of other topics, this should be a website for you.
     
  2. Dr Rock

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    personally, i'm less concerned with the impeachable offenses than with the capital ones
     
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    At last some people are paying attention!
     
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    One of the dangers in a bi-partisan system with supposed checks and balances is one party having singular control so that these things go unexposed and under-reported. A shame really, especially after they tried to impeach Clinton for having sex.
     
  5. DC_DEEP

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    Ah, once again, this needs to be clarified. He was not impeached for the blowjob, he was impeached because he lied about it. The sad part was, after he was so throrughly investigated for alleged misconduct in the Whitewater real estate deal, no evidence was found. That's when the special investigator was (illegally) told to find something, ANYTHING, on him, and his real estate misconduct special investigator began investigating his relationship with Ms Lewinsky.

    On the other hand, bush has been lying to us every time he opens his mouth, and it has cost so many thousands of lives, but no one wants to hold him accountable for it.

    Knowing that only Congress has the authority to declare war, and that the white house has been using the "we're at war" excuse to use the contingency plans built into FISA, well, as far as I'm concerned, those are "treason during time of war" offenses, and should be treated as such. Congress never did declare war with Iraq. They sidestepped the issue, and illegally "granted" powers to bush that he did not then, and still does not, have. See, that sorta covers their asses, as they see it... but it does not. They want to be able to say "we are at war" when they want to use those "only during war" phrases in some of the laws, but then say "we have never officially been at war with Iraq, this is just a military action" when they don't want to be held accountable for any of it.
     
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    >>as far as I'm concerned, those are "treason during time of war" offenses
    Please, if we held treasonable offenses as such... Bush to Pelosi to Dan Rather over to Kayne West would all be guilty.
     
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    The idea that Clinton went through impeachment proceedings for what he did, but Bush will not, blows my mind. As if we needed another reminder of the complete bankruptcy of our political system.
     
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    And technically he did not lie as most divorce laws define SEX as penetration. Oral sex is not considered sex for the grounds of adultery and possible martial dissolution. So, when he said, he "did not have sex with that woman," he was technically being truthful from the legal sense of not having committed adultery.

    Splitting hairs, I know.
     
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    Yeah.

    And Gay men are virgins. ;)




    On topic, it doesn't matter. George W. Is a puppet - that guy couldn't run an oil company in Texas. Literally. He ran several into the ground before begining his political career.

    Whoever you believe is in charge (personally I think it's some corperate friends of Daddy Bush along with Cheny and Rumsvelt), it aint W it never has been W and never will be.

    What should be happening is the Bush regime should fall, because what's happening over there is more like an ex-SovBloc state's floundering first experiements in freedom - not actual Democracy. The Government hasn't been elected in either of the two elections, and has acted in ways which I can't even find words to describe but a comparison to 1984 and liberal use of the term "Cold War Mentality" are in order.

    It disturbes me greatly that the three most powerfull nations on the planet, namely the USA, the Russian Federation and the Republic of China are all being run by authoritarian governments with no regard for the people or any law but their own.
     
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    haha, they're also the 3 biggest arms exporters in the world ... and 3 of the 5 permanent seats on the UN security council :rolleyes:
     
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    When you've got only the Republicans running around
    in all 3 rings of the 3-ring circus, none of the clowns
    will be checked nor balanced.

    Anybody who is unhappy should vote the bastards out of office.


    Webster predicts that the democrats will retake the House of Representatives in the fall election.
     
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    We've tried that twice. Our electoral system is also corrupted, I mean even beyond where it was before. Now we've got Diebold in charge of our balloting, and it's not like we're just going to go back to paper ballots. Voting districts have been redistributed in such a way that it would take a major landslide to make a difference, and there's just too many stupid Americans to have a major landslide right now. The last "election" all but did me in, if there are that many people sucking up air around me who couldn't see where we were headed, couldn't tell by watching the debates what a monkey they were voting for, then what purpose is there really in getting worked up? The only hope we have is that some celebrity will take on the task of "informing" the fast food world of what idiots we have in office, but the problem is, the idiots who voted him in refuse to see the error of their ways.

    We're all taking it up the ass right now because people refuse to say "oops". Unless Brittney Spears says it's okay.



    DC, thanks for posting the site, I glanced through it. Looks like they're really trying, I just doubt it will spark enough interest not to get swept under the rug like all the offenses they're uncovering. Still, I guess we have to hope for something to help. I can always write bitchy letters.
     
  13. JustAsking

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    Mme. Zora,
    Have you ever read this book?

    It explains why people vote for monkies even against their own financial interests. I think you will find this very interesting.

    JustAsking
     
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    You- I'm going to flog you about the head if you don't start hanging out with us more!

    I'll check out the book, but I have a feeling it will piss me off even more, right? Here's a list a friend sent me a while back:




    NEW Rules for being a Good Citizen

    1) Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an illness and needs our prayers for your recovery.

    2) You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

    3) You have to believe that the US should get out of the UN, and that our highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq.

    4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives but it needs to punish anyone caught having private sex with the wrong gender.

    5) You have to believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit.

    6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

    7) "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.

    8) You have to believe that trade with Cuba is wrong because it is communist, but trading with China and Vietnam is just dandy.

    9) You have to believe that you love Jesus and Jesus loves you, but that itÂ’s OK to dismiss or even hate AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton.

    10) You hate the ALCU for representing convicted felons, but they owed it to the country to bail out Oliver North.

    11) You have to believe that the best way to encourage military morale is to praise the troops overseas while cutting their VA benefits.

    12) You believe that group sex and drug use are degenerate sins that can only be purged by running for governor of California as a Republican.

    13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

    14) You have to believe that the best way to fight terrorism is to alienate our allies and then demand their cooperation and money.

    15) You have to believe that government medicine is wrong and that HMO's and insurance companies only have your best interests at heart.

    16) You have to believe that providing health care to all Iraqis is sound government policy but providing health care to all Americans is socialism personified.

    17) You believe that tobacco's link to cancer and global warming are "junk science," but Creationism should be taught in schools.

    18) You have to believe that waging war with no exit strategy was wrong in Vietnam but right in Iraq.

    19) You have to believe that Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney was doing business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a we-can't-find-Bin-Laden diversion.

    20) You believe that government should restrict itself to just the powers named in the Constitution, which includes banning gay marriages and censoring the internet.

    21) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about the adulterous affairs of Democrats, while those of Republicans are a private matter.

    22) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades but that Bush was right to censor those 28 pages from the Congressional 9/11 report because you just can't handle the truth.

    23) You support state rights, which means Ashcroft telling states what locally passed voter initiatives he will allow them to have.

    24) You have to believe that what Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest but what Bush did decades later is stale news and irrelevant.
     
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    Zora,

    Those rules for being a good citizen are hilarious...until you realize they aren't a joke. Then they become sad and tragic.
     
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    Really? Except that Pelosi, Rather, and West have (to the best of my knowledge) not illegally wiretapped any phones, intercepted any emails, or sent any fine young soldiers overseas to be killed to protect the oil interests?
     
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    This tells a lot... 100 views, 14 responses, and only one person saying "I think I'll contact my representatives to let them know how I feel about this." Thanks, Jana. JustAsking, I think this pretty much sums up how the monkeys get in office. Marilyn Hickey, Robert Schuller, American Family Association, Concerned Women, and all their cohorts, are doing a much better job of presenting their views to Congress. We need to be a counterweight, but it is just not happening.
     
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    DC, that's been my frustration for a while. While it's pretty easy to "decipher" what's going on in our government, it's just as easy to recognise that the party of fools is far better organised. They have better mechanisms for getting thier message out, and when a preacher speaks to an audience of superstitious people, they have the floor. These folks, even the ones who are smart enough to know bush is an idiot and the war is wrong, cannot overcome the obstacle presented by the fact that the message is being delivered in such a personal way. A part of them will always think he is doing the right thing and all it takes is a little encouragement at the polls to bring that part out.
     
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    Thanks Zora, for posting the "Rules for Being a Good Citizen". I saved a copy because it's one of few documents that sum it up so well. As for the book on why people vote for monkeys against their own interests, I haven't checked it out yet, but I have a theory.

    People who vote for these kind of guys vote on passion rather than logic, and Republicans in particular have become experts on what kind of language, what kind of images, slogans, and code words to use to get people to vote NOT for their candidate, but AGAINST someone (or something else).

    Voters put "monkeys" in office because they believe he's going to do something about "those people" (whomever "those people" happen to be at one particular time or another). "Those people"...

    But then they look up, and their sons and daughters are going off to war, they're paying thru the nose at the gas pumps, they're breathing unhealthier air, their healthcare is no better, they're earning no more than before, their money is buying less, their legal recourses have been limited or restricted, their privacies undermined, and their right to live and worship as they choose is being judged, outlawed, or placed under scrutiny...and then it dawns upon them...

    They are, in fact, "those people".
     
  20. JustAsking

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    Haha, yes those rules are perfect. And sorry about being so scarce. I am really working hard here, but I do skim this site once a day.

    That book is different than most. It offers a solution. But here are some books that will really piss you off:

    The Age of Anxiety

    Whats the Matter With Kansas?
     
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