In all honesty, when did you think Michael Jackson went downhill...

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  1. elegant20

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    Music-wise, even if you were, are, or not a fan of his music, but when did you noticed the downhill started and you right away guessed that was the end of his reign.

    I hate to pinpoint it all....but I thought all started during his Thriller years(late 1983-early 1984) which was how he got hooked on painkillers and whatnot. That was the beginning of the end for him.

    Which do you think was his huge downfall in your opinion?
     
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    In all honesty does this have to be rehashed again? Does it really matter? He is dead. I could not watch the news for the majority of the summer because of the same question. I frankly don't give a shit. He came from unfortunate circumstances and somehow was never able to to make the best of the opportunities that were afforded to him. He will forever be the biggest loser to me behind Elvis and Judy!
     
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    I don't view MJ as a loser per se'. I think it was Quincy Jones that said at his funeral, Micheal made some bad decisions in having the wrong people close to him but he was unlike anyone else.

    I personally believe it will be a very long time before we see another entertainer as unique as MJ.

    He is dead, passed on and done with this life. It is now a matter of personal opinion.
    I went to one of his shows, I took a friend who is NOT a fan and she thanked me later for exposing her to something she referred to as being: Unique, amazing and entertaining.
     
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    Elegeant I was one of those people that grew up w/MJ since I was a kid. he was a bit older than me but personally I think he started to lose it right after Thriller became famous. He was fameven w/his previous before then but the fame and popularity he achieved w/Thriller will be hard to duplicate by anyone and I can't even imagine what that did to him. Having said that MJ also in retrospect had some serious issues in ALL phases of his life that all that extreme wealth gave him room to play with. Good or bad, guity or not I really feel bad for him and still enjoy him now. this is one of my fave MJ recordings. Its from his younger days. It wasn't released till Thriler became famous. I think it has a great sweet and innocent quality.

    Farewell My Summer Love
     
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    The first time he had his nose done.
     
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    There will never be an entertainer as talented overall as Michael Jackson.
    I don't know when he started going downhill but I suspect as Elegant 20 said it was after "Thriller".
    Whatever decisions good or bad he made you cannot take away
    from him the blazing,fiery, extraordinarily talented entertainer
    he will always be.
    C.B.:saevil:
     
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    True CB baby
     
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    I think the OP's question is in regards to MJ's musical downfall and not his "lifestyle choices".

    Personally, I liked everything up to and includinghis Dangerous ('91) album (well, not that entire album). Although, I think his 'reign' over popdom lasted right into the mid 90's. His album HIStory ('95) was very commercially successful, despite earlier allegations of child sexual abuse. After that point, things just got too weird and people started taking him much less seriously, ultimately leading to his fall from grace. That's how I see it, anyway.
     
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    I don't think he ever went all that "downhill" musically. The last song of his that I liked was "You Rock My World" and that dates to the early part of this decade. I think any artist would love to have the longevity and number of good songs that he had.
     
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    I think the reason behind it all, a lot of fans were expecting so much like Thriller that he was dedicated to take anything to please fans. The sad thing was as time went on, he was musically going to be ignored and Michael Jackson tried everything that was new to appeal to his fans. I think what happens if you expect so much of Thriller, you would want something to top it off or better yet repeat the formula.

    The insane thing was that MJ was hardworking himself. He never gave up on trying. True, his lifestyle was bizarre. There were a lot of WTF moments through his whole life in Neverland Ranch and how he treated his children by wearing masks, but I believe there is another reason to it. Sure, he made mistakes and must be question about sanity, too, but the main blame has to be the entertainment industry.

    You must remember the entertainment industry still is pretty like the Mafia, no different from the movie studios or the porn studios. I am pretty sure he was injured on some of his music videos as well as his studio recordings to his popular songs. It was not just Quincy pressuring Michael Jackson, but a slew of promoters trying to get their star to finish this album they have.

    I can imagine the scenario:

    MJ: I am injured and I need medical assistance.
    Promoter: Fuck that! You have to finish this album before the deadline. I made good money off of you for years. Wait..Wait...I have an idea. Dr. Feelgood!

    And I believe that's how it works. These promoters don't want a complaint. They shoot him with drugs or whatnot to keep the star to finish an album they were suppose to do. It's a sick industry and it is still going on to this day. Could MJ have said no to all this? I believe he would have, but he was dedicated to his family and to his fans that he never gave in to retirement. I think that could have been another reason for his downfall as well.

    You might disagree with me on that, but that's the way I see it.

    And some might argue with this, but I believe the Jacksons were a very naive family as far as money talks. Some of the problems stemed from the father and their religious Jevovah's Witness mother. Hell, most of them with the exception of Rebbie and Janet, all stemmed from financial troubles. This was not a very money stable family to begin with. I am pretty sure Michael's money troubles would have happened before or after his fame. But since his death, he is worth more dead than alive.
     
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    I know this isn't the question, but several years ago I saw a collage of pics called Michael through the Years or something. Showed his changing face over time. I said at the time to several people that his looks peaked at the Thriller album. Very good looking guy at that time. He should have stopped there. But then there are several people I can think of who went too far. You should always stop doing the plastic surgery a couple operations before you think you're done, if you even go down that road in the first place, because at some point you start making it worse not better.
     
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    Its a shame he didnt get to do his final tour.

    He never lost it musically and he would have proved that to the world. Personal life aside, very talented musician. When you have it that much you dont lose it.
     
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    The rot began to set in (in his personal life) around thriller time, imo - and was becoming more obvious after the BAD album, altho Dangerous and History were both still ok.
     
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    Actually I'd pinpoint it to the moment it was announced that he wanted to acquire Joseph Merrick's remains; after that moment, the creep always outweighed the cute for me, though I hadn't been a fan since Ben.
     
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    He never went downhill, and even now he is more famous, precious, and valuable than ever.
     
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    WAKE UP,the guy has been abusing drugs for years!... Some role model!
     
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    awwwww he's been abusing druggggssss poor baby, grow a fucking sac son. Name me one influential musician or rock star who hasn't abused drugs?
     
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    So two wrongs make a right do they? Nice one.The guy was a fraud and a liar who loved to perpetuate the myth of 'little boy lost' who denied ever having more than 2 go's at plastic surgery,dated girls (ha ha) never abused drugs, etc etc etc....It's all an insult to one's intelligence....Things 'come out in the wash' when the light of truth is shone upon them.
     
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    aww somebody is sour he never accomplished anything in life!!! I'm sure you have been more than transparent in life, mr lpsg.org dweller....
     
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    For me, it was as far back as 1987, when MJ's Bad came out. I was still at school &, until that point, had been a massive MJ fan. Bad's release coincided with Prince's Sign O' The Times album. I was so overwhelmed by it's brilliance, i switched allegiance.
     
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