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If you have a problem with all fill-in-the-blank chances are very high it’s you not them.

Yep. He has no reason to blame anyone for his relationship status than himself.

What I find interesting about this stuff though, and I know a lot of people disagree with this, but their opinions aren't that far off from what a lot more conservative and traditionalist men think.
 
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@wallyj84 have you seen the film 'Cuck'? It's sympathetic without glamourizing the whole incel thing. And Monique Parent is in it!

 
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Yep. He has no reason to blame anyone for his relationship status than himself.

What I find interesting about this stuff though, and I know a lot of people disagree with this, but their opinions aren't that far off from what a lot more conservative and traditionalist men think.
I agree. Transgenderism often seems to be rooted in conservative, traditional, clearly defined gender roles too. The fact that incels are predominantly male, and trans people are most likely to identify as female is relevant
to how they are perceived by wider society. Gender binary according to incels is more likely to be called out as old-fashioned and backwards, whereas the same gender binary expressed by transgenderism rarely is.
 

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Actually its not that I hate anyone..
most people just hate me I'm not sure why (suspect
Enviousness
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my problems are far and wide..

Even had a shop sabotage my SUV they Fucked up an oil change.. or they were too lazy to tighten it

my engine is messed up now knocks upon a cold start :( I don't owe anything on it and got it as a gift
maybe is had to do with the oil i was using as it's a very expensive oil that I use in it..
 

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this is ONE guy who doesn't seem like he can carry much of a conversation let alone a meaningful debate. all i see is a young guy who may have gone through a lot of shitty experiences thus far but probably knows nothing about what life really is... i think there's too much in the incel world to base them on this guy.

i have no opinion of incels (for both the men and the women). life is just too complex and there's just too many variables in nature and nurture that may have caused them to become incels. without really knowing each person for who they are and how or why they became incels, i can't even begin to have a basis for discussion.
 
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What do you guys think of the video or incels in general?

Not worthy of the attention you spend your free time giving them?

Whether for educational purposes or just frivolous entertainment, so many better vids to spend 8 minutes watching than that guy :p
 

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Not worthy of the attention you spend your free time giving them?

Whether for educational purposes or just frivolous entertainment, so many better vids to spend 8 minutes watching than that guy :p
I disagree. The video itself was interesting and I wish they had released the whole thing.

Say what you want about them, but incels are a real group and if we want to stop them from growing in number we need to listen to them and figure out where things went wrong in these people's lives.
 

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I disagree. The video itself was interesting and I wish they had released the whole thing.

Say what you want about them, but incels are a real group and if we want to stop them from growing in number we need to listen to them and figure out where things went wrong in these people's lives.

"We", the general public, don't need to listen to these guys any more than we need to sit down and take time out of our day to listen to rapists.

There are sociologists and psychologists who have paid jobs to listen to these people and come to the public with constructive feedback, but there's no great truths to be found as a member of the general public listening to this drivel.
 

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"We", the general public, don't need to listen to these guys any more than we need to sit down and take time out of our day to listen to rapists.

There are sociologists and psychologists who have paid jobs to listen to these people and come to the public with constructive feedback, but there's no great truths to be found as a member of the general public listening to this drivel.

It does help the general public to listen to these people. If only because it gives everyone an idea on how to spot an incel and get them help.

I don't get why you think the best way to solve this social problem is to just ignore it.
 

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There are sociologists and psychologists who have paid jobs to listen to these people and come to the public with constructive feedback

I don't get why you think the best way to solve this social problem is to just ignore it.

Reading comprehension, dude.

If I want to learn the warning signs for a rabid dog, I don't play junior detective and go watch videos of dogs barking aggressively and hope I walk away with an understanding. I just read advice and analysis from experts.

Do you have some kind of distrust or disdain for social scientists?
 

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Reading comprehension, dude.

If I want to learn the warning signs for a rabid dog, I don't play junior detective and go watch videos of dogs barking aggressively and hope I walk away with an understanding. I just read advice and analysis from experts.

Do you have some kind of distrust or disdain for social scientists?

I was writing that while getting ready for work and totally missed that part. Sorry.

So you really don't think there is a value to hearing what these people have to say for yourself? I think there is a lot of value in listening to these people.

BTW I think a lot of look at YouTube videos to see the warning signs of a rabid dog.
 

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I was writing that while getting ready for work and totally missed that part. Sorry.

So you really don't think there is a value to hearing what these people have to say for yourself? I think there is a lot of value in listening to these people.

No. Like I said, I wouldn't spend my time listening to interviews with rapists either. Broadly speaking, I have a trust of scientists and the individuals who work in those fields. There's plenty of good material and good journalism out there about these guys. Hearing the insanity and misogyny directly from their mouths doesn't give me any added benefit, it's just a waste of time.
 
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No. Like I said, I wouldn't spend my time listening to interviews with rapists either. Broadly speaking, I have a trust of scientists and the individuals who work in those fields. There's plenty of good material and good journalism out there about these guys. Hearing the insanity and misogyny directly from their mouths doesn't give me any added benefit, it's just a waste of time.

I think it always better to see this kind of thing first hand versus just hearing about it second hand. But that is just my opinion.
 

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I agree. Transgenderism often seems to be rooted in conservative, traditional, clearly defined gender roles too. The fact that incels are predominantly male, and trans people are most likely to identify as female is relevant
to how they are perceived by wider society. Gender binary according to incels is more likely to be called out as old-fashioned and backwards, whereas the same gender binary expressed by transgenderism rarely is.

I'm not going to comment on the transgender stuff. However, I do think the link between incels and the men's rights movement in general is very real.

This might be a controversial statement, but I think traditionalism is inherently sexist because traditional values, as it relates to women, are all about putting women in a subservient role to men.
 
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BTW I think a lot of look at YouTube videos to see the warning signs of a rabid dog.
I know I do and I speak as one who's actually been bitten by a rabid dog. The injections are not fun.

I do think you are perhaps a little bit drawn to the incel message to be so focused on it, but I agree with your general point that we need to engage with social problems first hand rather than ignore them or leave them to the 'experts' to solve.
 
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I've heard what some of these men have to say in person.

I dealt with more than one self identified INCEL and MRA individual when I was a barista. They're angry, and hostile towards women because they can't let go of the entitlement. They feel they're owned sex because they exist with penises.

They are misogynists and several of the recent (and not so recent) mass shooters are in these groups. They want women to live in fear, along with the men who do get sex from us.

I'm with @TexanStar ... I don't need to hear any of them spew their hatred on YouTube to know where they stand.
 

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I know I do and I speak as one who's actually been bitten by a rabid dog. The injections are not fun.

I do think you are perhaps a little bit drawn to the incel message to be so focused on it, but I agree with your general point that we need to engage with social problems first hand rather than ignore them or leave them to the 'experts' to solve.

I don't like the incel message, though I do find them very interesting.