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I guess what I'm saying is it's trying to pry wider the chasm between wanted men and unwanted men by villainizing the latter by conflating them with the absolute bottom of the barrel percentile of their ilk.

You missed my fucking point completely.

And I'm aware that not every involuntarily celibate man is the kind of person who would follow the mindset of those like Elliot Roger. People are in fact dead because of this mentality.

I'm not widening chasms. I'm bringing attention to an issue that is in fact an issue. Were you there the times I overheard angry virgin men discuss their frustration? No. I don't fucking think you were.

Nice job completely ignoring the last part of my original post, which is the main goddamn point.

Now go find something else to melt over, fucking snowflake.
 

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Well, I know at least one ‘incel’ exists because I know him. He’s pretty rage filled and expresses it quite easily. There’s nothing objectively wrong with the way he looks, except I think he goes out of his way to look unattractive as if to prove his point. Do I think he’s dangerous? Since I’ve known him most of his life, I’d guess no. Then again, no one really knows.

I’m not sure what any of these points are. Hatred in and of itself, doesn’t have to be fatal. It certainly can lead to danger to others, but it’s most often poison to the haters themselves. They lead the lives of misery, not the hated.

Don’t forget, incels don’t just hate women - they hate the men that appear to be successful with women. It’s not just a female issue.

And I’m not familiar with ‘the beast that slouches towards Gomorrah’. Towards Bethlehem, yes, the poem by Yeats, but if another poet or author uses that imagery, please point him out. Seriously.
 

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That one was a good watch.


That one is in my queue but I haven't watched it yet. I've heard it's good though.



That's a consideration in Manhunt (might be in Mindhunter as well, I haven't watched it yet).

It did catch the unabomber though, so even with the risks associated to using it as a tool, I think it's a safe assumption that it will consider to be used at least sparingly.

Just as a note I got around to binging Mindhunter. It was good, but it's a much more dramatized telling of its story than Manhunt was. It's more like a drama with the setting being the development of criminal profiling. Still good, but tonally it's very different.
 

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Speaking as someone who has dealt with men who clearly expressed with words AND actions that they felt I was obligated to sleep with them when they didn't know me, hadn't done anything for me, I hadn't expressed interest, etc? You're full of shit.
There aren't any ugly/obese/awkward/micropenis/mentallyill/etc men that really truly believe they deserve sex
Yes there are. I have met some. They are the reason I always pay for my own drinks. They are the reason I get a man I trust to escort me from a party or public place where I have had to repeatedly reject someone who has pretty much said they "deserve a woman like" me simply because they are interested, and present, and I am interesting and occupied their time. Nevermind that they imposed their company upon me in the first place. They are the reason I learned to melt into a crowd and vanish.

One such man harrassed my mother so much at a neighbor's holiday party that she left early. It was her once a month night out without her baby (me). He followed her and forced his way into our house. Luckily, the neighbor gave her a Christmas present on her way out. It was a bottle of Segura Viudas Reserva Heredad. She beat him brutally with it. She thought he was dead. She dragged him back out into our backyard and went to bed, resolved to figure out what to do in the morning. I think she was waiting for a chief she knew to be on duty. She worked for the police. At dawn, she went back out, and he was gone. So, she washed away the blood, and never opened that bottle. It sat in the garage, which is where she showed it to me, and told the tale as a warning. Then proceeded to give me a blunt force trauma tour of our home, which was more defensible than I ever knew. That motherfucker came into our HOME determined to take what she wouldn't give. He felt entitled to it. He said so by following her, and entering the door just beneath my bedroom window. My mother said all she could think of while she struggled with him was she couldn't scream for help because I might have been the first to arrive. I was very little.

https://www.essence.com/hot-topic-news/black-women-killed-for-saying-no

https://babe.net/2017/04/17/rejecti...-really-no-wonder-were-terrified-of-them-1551

“Many people participating in these conversations seemed to point to the UCSB shootings as an isolated incident, the work of a mad man who had nothing to do with reality,” the About page reads.
^^^From the above link, in reference to the following page:

http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com/tagged/personal

The following, from that Tumblr, resonated with me.

"He told me he followed me home every day. He said he wanted to rape me. He’d lean into my ear when I was working and whisper sexual innuendoes and horrible things and my managers didn’t do anything. They didn’t ban him. They yelled at me for causing issues at work, and for hiding in the back. He continued to corner me in the store until I quit. I’ve never not looked over my shoulder when walking ever since. I remember this as the event that made me start constantly questioning my safety. It only got worse from there."

I was [age redacted] when mine began following me home. He was a little older, but relatively close in age. It didn't matter that he followed me home. He lived three doors down. He already knew where to find me. It mattered that instead of walking with me, like a normal neighbor, he stayed close behind, and whispered threats of sexual violence the whole way. I stole my mother's condoms, terrified he would find a way to force me, or cut me, or any of the other promises. I thought maybe if I couldn't escape, I could convince him to protect us both from me getting pregnant.

Later, when we were in high school, he murdered a boy from the next block. I was absolutely not safe from him. If I saw him today, I would stun him first, and ask questions later. He's still a wanted fugitive.

He killed that boy with a BB gun. It took 17 pellets. He also shot me on several occasions with that gun, but from much further away, a few shots at a time, always on my butt.

If he hadn't fled the country to slip that murder rap, he'd have cut me open and left me to die, just like he said he would, all because I was dismissive of his advances, even though other than making those advances, he'd never once been kind to me. Many times he'd tried to get me alone. Many times he sent other neighborhood boys I trusted more to try to lead me down his parents' driveway, but I was never fooled. I was hurt when the one I actually considered a friend (even after he put my favorite Barbie on my grandmother's roof and broke my roller skates) participated in a gambit. I thought of him as an older brother. I loved him. What was he promised in return for getting me down the alley, and, I guess, into the basement? Was he supposed to have a turn with me too?

Why'd they treat me this way? Because I was the first with breasts, and since my jiggly presence was making them hard, it was my job to relieve them. My mother and I literally chased a group of boys from my porch every day with the hose.

I have many more stories. This is just the one that resonates with the first entry to really catch my eye on that page. To hell with anyone who thinks there's no such thing as males who feel entitled to have whatever they want from women, and who resort to evil when they are told no.

https://www.damemagazine.com/2017/10/24/men-are-killing-thousands-women-year-saying-no/amp/

Twice.

Once, when I was about 24, I met a nice man in Grand Central Station. I liked his genteel manners and Carolina accent. He said he was a school teacher. He was sexy, and I gave him my number when he asked. We spoke on the phone often, almost daily. We wanted to arrange a date, but lived far apart. Meanwhile, I grew close to a friend of mine, the man I eventually married. When he said he was moving to be close to me, I realized we needed a chance to make a partnership work. I began breaking off all my affairs. Most men resisted the idea of no longer being sexual because "some guy" I never met in person was going to be my boyfriend soon. However, my decision was final, and they accepted that. Two agreed we'd always be friends, no matter what, and wished me the best. The Carolina schoolteacher went insane. He harassed me for years, vascillating between name-calling, and threats of violence, and sweet-talking. I really think the only reason I'm alive is he didn't have my address. He only stopped calling because early one Saturday, two years or so later, my fiance, just home from a deployment, answered my phone, and insisted he leave his woman alone. To this day, an unfamiliar number from a certain area code sends chills down my spine. Not that I get many calls from there.

The second time was recently. I'm actually not sure I want to post much about it. He removed a condom without my knowledge and ejaculated inside me. I had ovulated, which he knew, several days prior. I did not get pregnant. When I said I could smell semen, he gaslighted me. But the smell was so strong on my drive home that I pulled over to check. There was still semen inside me, and some in my underwear. When I confronted him again, he tried to make it seem like my anger, and feelings of violation were unreasonable. When I made it clear we would never see each other again, he began threatening me, calling me names, slut-shaming me. It was days before he would leave me alone. When we'd been on good terms, he said a fantasy he had was me fucking someone else, with him listening on the phone. The last thing he said the last time we spoke was, "At least call me when you're fucking the next one. That's the LEAST you could do." A few months later, he recognized me on a dating site and sent me a message asking for a ride to work. :eek: For real? A few months later, forgetting he had a second job there, I went I to a fast food place where he worked, because I was at the laundromat next door, and I'd gotten thirsty. We locked eyes right away, and he began whispering to a co-worker. I will not make that mistake again. Also, I can't ever trust the food there. You know?
I'm tired now. If you Google "women killed for saying no" you get the above links and many more resources.

Go to hell, anyone who comes along with their bullshit about Not All Men, and a few rotten apples, and feminist conspiracy, and whatever else. Straight. To. Hell. Today, please.
 

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Yes there are. I have met some. They are the reason I always pay for my own drinks. They are the reason I get a man I trust to escort me from a party or public place where I have had to repeatedly reject someone who has pretty much said they "deserve a woman like" me simply because they are interested, and present, and I am interesting and occupied their time. Nevermind that they imposed their company upon me in the first place. They are the reason I learned to melt into a crowd and vanish.

One such man harrassed my mother so much at a neighbor's holiday party that she left early. It was her once a month night out without her baby (me). He followed her and forced his way into our house. Luckily, the neighbor gave her a Christmas present on her way out. It was a bottle of Segura Viudas Reserva Heredad. She beat him brutally with it. She thought he was dead. She dragged him back out into our backyard and went to bed, resolved to figure out what to do in the morning. I think she was waiting for a chief she knew to be on duty. She worked for the police. At dawn, she went back out, and he was gone. So, she washed away the blood, and never opened that bottle. It sat in the garage, which is where she showed it to me, and told the tale as a warning. Then proceeded to give me a blunt force trauma tour of our home, which was more defensible than I ever knew. That motherfucker came into our HOME determined to take what she wouldn't give. He felt entitled to it. He said so by following her, and entering the door just beneath my bedroom window. My mother said all she could think of while she struggled with him was she couldn't scream for help because I might have been the first to arrive. I was very little.

https://www.essence.com/hot-topic-news/black-women-killed-for-saying-no

https://babe.net/2017/04/17/rejecti...-really-no-wonder-were-terrified-of-them-1551

“Many people participating in these conversations seemed to point to the UCSB shootings as an isolated incident, the work of a mad man who had nothing to do with reality,” the About page reads.
^^^From the above link, in reference to the following page:

http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com/tagged/personal

The following, from that Tumblr, resonated with me.

"He told me he followed me home every day. He said he wanted to rape me. He’d lean into my ear when I was working and whisper sexual innuendoes and horrible things and my managers didn’t do anything. They didn’t ban him. They yelled at me for causing issues at work, and for hiding in the back. He continued to corner me in the store until I quit. I’ve never not looked over my shoulder when walking ever since. I remember this as the event that made me start constantly questioning my safety. It only got worse from there."

I was [age redacted] when mine began following me home. He was a little older, but relatively close in age. It didn't matter that he followed me home. He lived three doors down. He already knew where to find me. It mattered that instead of walking with me, like a normal neighbor, he stayed close behind, and whispered threats of sexual violence the whole way. I stole my mother's condoms, terrified he would find a way to force me, or cut me, or any of the other promises. I thought maybe if I couldn't escape, I could convince him to protect us both from me getting pregnant.

Later, when we were in high school, he murdered a boy from the next block. I was absolutely not safe from him. If I saw him today, I would stun him first, and ask questions later. He's still a wanted fugitive.

He killed that boy with a BB gun. It took 17 pellets. He also shot me on several occasions with that gun, but from much further away, a few shots at a time, always on my butt.

If he hadn't fled the country to slip that murder rap, he'd have cut me open and left me to die, just like he said he would, all because I was dismissive of his advances, even though other than making those advances, he'd never once been kind to me. Many times he'd tried to get me alone. Many times he sent other neighborhood boys I trusted more to try to lead me down his parents' driveway, but I was never fooled. I was hurt when the one I actually considered a friend (even after he put my favorite Barbie on my grandmother's roof and broke my roller skates) participated in a gambit. I thought of him as an older brother. I loved him. What was he promised in return for getting me down the alley, and, I guess, into the basement? Was he supposed to have a turn with me too?

Why'd they treat me this way? Because I was the first with breasts, and since my jiggly presence was making them hard, it was my job to relieve them. My mother and I literally chased a group of boys from my porch every day with the hose.

I have many more stories. This is just the one that resonates with the first entry to really catch my eye on that page. To hell with anyone who thinks there's no such thing as males who feel entitled to have whatever they want from women, and who resort to evil when they are told no.

https://www.damemagazine.com/2017/10/24/men-are-killing-thousands-women-year-saying-no/amp/

Twice.

Once, when I was about 24, I met a nice man in Grand Central Station. I liked his genteel manners and Carolina accent. He said he was a school teacher. He was sexy, and I gave him my number when he asked. We spoke on the phone often, almost daily. We wanted to arrange a date, but lived far apart. Meanwhile, I grew close to a friend of mine, the man I eventually married. When he said he was moving to be close to me, I realized we needed a chance to make a partnership work. I began breaking off all my affairs. Most men resisted the idea of no longer being sexual because "some guy" I never met in person was going to be my boyfriend soon. However, my decision was final, and they accepted that. Two agreed we'd always be friends, no matter what, and wished me the best. The Carolina schoolteacher went insane. He harassed me for years, vascillating between name-calling, and threats of violence, and sweet-talking. I really think the only reason I'm alive is he didn't have my address. He only stopped calling because early one Saturday, two years or so later, my fiance, just home from a deployment, answered my phone, and insisted he leave his woman alone. To this day, an unfamiliar number from a certain area code sends chills down my spine. Not that I get many calls from there.

The second time was recently. I'm actually not sure I want to post much about it. He removed a condom without my knowledge and ejaculated inside me. I had ovulated, which he knew, several days prior. I did not get pregnant. When I said I could smell semen, he gaslighted me. But the smell was so strong on my drive home that I pulled over to check. There was still semen inside me, and some in my underwear. When I confronted him again, he tried to make it seem like my anger, and feelings of violation were unreasonable. When I made it clear we would never see each other again, he began threatening me, calling me names, slut-shaming me. It was days before he would leave me alone. When we'd been on good terms, he said a fantasy he had was me fucking someone else, with him listening on the phone. The last thing he said the last time we spoke was, "At least call me when you're fucking the next one. That's the LEAST you could do." A few months later, he recognized me on a dating site and sent me a message asking for a ride to work. :eek: For real? A few months later, forgetting he had a second job there, I went I to a fast food place where he worked, because I was at the laundromat next door, and I'd gotten thirsty. We locked eyes right away, and he began whispering to a co-worker. I will not make that mistake again. Also, I can't ever trust the food there. You know?
I'm tired now. If you Google "women killed for saying no" you get the above links and many more resources.

Go to hell, anyone who comes along with their bullshit about Not All Men, and a few rotten apples, and feminist conspiracy, and whatever else. Straight. To. Hell. Today, please.

What the fuck?

This makes me angry, sad, angry and pissed the fuck off. And angry.

What kind of boys / young men are inflicting on the world?
 

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Hi. I'm a gay incel and was looking for somewhere here to make a post about this, but since I'm a male I couldn't find any suitable subforum, so I'm hoping this post doesn't get removed from this thread just for sharing my story.

Firstly, I'm not angry at anyone, male or female, and simply being an Incel does not indicate that someone is.

Neither do I feel entitled in anyway to getting sex, another often repeated misconception.

The term Incel for me is really just a newer term for being a 34 year old virgin. I had been using dating sites and was previously active on this one mainly for dick picks but simply never had anyone interested enough in me to want to meet me. Also most guys that I was interested in wouldn't even reply to me in the first place. Although some would, any mutual interest I managed to find was with people who were much too far away, usually the other side of the Atlantic.

Involuntary celibate for me simply means someone that has thoroughly attempted seeking sex like I have, but have been unable to find it for whatever reason. I don't deny that this can make some men in this situation bitter and get some sense of over entitlement, but seriously even before reaching that point, anyone can simply pay for a sex worker, something I will be considering after I have my own place very soon, if attempting to date online doesn't work out again.

I'm hoping the mods allow this post to remain here, as there isn't any similar sub forum I could find for men's or gay issues, and I have only recently found out about incels and been sharing my experience mainly on reddit and also wanted to add it here.

Now another odd thing though is that while I was at uni, and maybe a main issue for my current Incel status was that I was still closeted and couldn't come out due to growing up with too much homophobia. I actually did have several girls that expressed interest in me, two friends that made many a pass / hint that I simply had to ignore, and one night while in a club, a random but attractive girl that simply came up to me an made physical contact / hugged me. Also on many other occasions I had zero difficulty with striking up conversations with women and could have very ended up with many dates if I had wanted to ask or progress to that stage with them, but of course being gay I had no interest in this.

I have zero barriers to talking to people in general, and I have in recent years been described in employment related things by most people as approachable, well presented, well dressed and eloquent, yet still struggle to actually attract or even meet other gay men.

While I realize that this is a women's issue subforum, I wanted to mention this to point out everything above - that 'Incel' is not just a heterosexual thing, and neither a position of entitlement or negativity towards others. Hopefully the mods will see reason to allow this post to remain here.
 

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This is new to me and totally fucked up

Hang around. IF you are willing to expand your mind, Women's Issues here at LPSG can be quite an education. And a rollercoaster at times too, lol. But the peeps here are real, down-to-earth. What I really enjoy is reading about/exchanging convo about real life experiences from real women (and a few men) that challenge me to learn more about that I do not know.

While I came for the pix originally, I stayed for the convo here in these forums. I've learned a hella lot about a hella lot I was clueless and/or ignorant about. And in my book, I'm always glad to add another chapter. You're never too old to learn.

And, @bav4, kudos for your courage to share your story. I learned something from you. Keep on keepin' on!
 

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The whole thing is so weak an action. I am absolutely discusted by it. At first I though he should have died or been killed... but I hope he rots in prison forever.
 

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I don't care for incels. I don't like their sense of entitlement or that victim narrative they're always pushing.

When I was younger I used to think of them as victims of a society that places too much value on being in a relationship or having sex, but now I just think they're just entitles losers who want to blame anyone but themselves for their problems.
 
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I think you did make one good point in your otherwise crazy rant:
It basically just proves that there really are people out there that get no sympathy and can be abused to no end because they have all the traits that most people work hard to never fall down to the level and mock their contemporaries and friends for showing any mere sign of (or those people that never really had to work that hard for it because they had the kingdom handed to them wholesale or most of the skills and traits with little need to hone them to gain the benefits)
I saw this article earlier:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201804/5-kinds-people-who-withdraw-social-life

Yes, some people are just not liked by their peers for whatever reason, and the rejection and unkind treatment they receive because of that can result in them becoming even less likeable. "Likes" are the currency of the internet. "Likes" are the currency here in fact. There is way too much emphasis placed on being liked - more so than ever before. I believe that this is one of the main reasons why Facebook has been proven to be detrimental to a person's mental wellbeing.
 
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Still, nobody liked me when I was growing up. I was mecilessly bullied. I put in the hard work to come to grips with who I wanted to be, and how to be that person. I worked through resentment and trauma. I decided consciously to live for myself, and when I did, my world changed, and so did I. I found my niche, where I fit, and went from there. At some point, personal responsibility comes into play.
 

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Still, nobody liked me when I was growing up. I was mecilessly bullied. I put in the hard work to come to grips with who I wanted to be, and how to be that person. I worked through resentment and trauma. I decided consciously to live for myself, and when I did, my world changed, and so did I. I found my niche, where I fit, and went from there. At some point, personal responsibility comes into play.

But isn't that part of the problem? These incels have found their niche. It's just that their niche is filed with bitter, angry men who push a worldview that is detrimental to their own happiness.

I don't think these guys need to find where they fit in, they need to redefine what is happiness for them as well as what they can/should expect from other people.
 

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Whoo..careful that is a well worn dog eared page out of the...Ronald Reagan...Jack Kemp...and now Paul Ryan handbook.

No. This page can be found in the good parenting, growing up, and being a member of society handbooks.
 

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But isn't that part of the problem? These incels have found their niche. It's just that their niche is filed with bitter, angry men who push a worldview that is detrimental to their own happiness.

I don't think these guys need to find where they fit in, they need to redefine what is happiness for them as well as what they can/should expect from other people.

Wow WallyJ, this is deep. What if you substituted the word "smalls" in place on "incels" in the post? That would be some good advice for them too, right?
 
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