Infant circumcision Yes/No

Infant circumcision

  • Yes

    Votes: 93 30.5%
  • No

    Votes: 212 69.5%

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mandoman

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"Would you fight to ensure your son is not circumcised at birth ?

aka: is your opposition to circumcision such that you would go against your wife's desires and force her to accept your principles ?"

I would, absolutely.
The baby's mother is supposed to protect them from harm, not subject them to unneeded, painful cosmetic surgery.
I would divorce her and get a legal injunction, if that's what it took, to protect my son.
Fortunately, there was no argument in our household.
 
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I was circumcised as an infant, and am quite pleased with my penis. If I had a son I would want him to be circumcised also. However, if I had not been circumcised, I am sure I would not be able to understand why one would want to be. I think it just depends on what you are use to.
 

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I voted "No" only because there isn't an option for "Hell No!".

If a guy wants to be cut, let him decide that when he gets older. It's not right for parents to force that decision on babies.
 

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I don't believe in infant circumcision but, that's a far sight from being forced either way. No one should have a say in the issue but the parent.
Including the child, who's being "forced" into a permanent irreversible surgical alteration to the most intimate aspect of his male anatomy identity and sexuality? What if he's not happy with the choice his parents made when he matures? Do you not see the potential minefield of unhappy outcomes that can follow that decision?
 

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NO. it is cosmetic surgery. Necessary.

If circumcision is necessary, let the decision be made in later life by the guy.

I was cut at birth, and I resent my parents for doing it.

Not many doctors in the UK are now willing to do it, and then only for religious reasons.
 
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Rewind back to the heydays of circumcision in the USA. To parents, there was no question that circumcision was a definte improvememt in many aspects. Since they were improving their baby's penis, there was no debate on whether they should let the boy decide later on.

The introduction of "is it really better" issue now causes parents to think about it. If it is not really better, then the issue of "right to choose" comes into play because you need to let the kid decide which is best for him.

But back when there was no question, parents felt they would fail their responsability if they left their son uncut since he would not benefit from all the improvents given by circumcision.

so today, if parents, after carefully considering/studying the issue, still consider that circumcision provides sufficient benefits, shoudln't they be allowed to have their son snipped ? Parents make a lot of choices on behalf of their children that "guide" them in a certain way and thus deprive that child of "other ways".
 

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Rewind back to the heydays of circumcision in the USA. To parents, there was no question that circumcision was a definte improvememt in many aspects. Since they were improving their baby's penis, there was no debate on whether they should let the boy decide later on.

The introduction of "is it really better" issue now causes parents to think about it. If it is not really better, then the issue of "right to choose" comes into play because you need to let the kid decide which is best for him.

But back when there was no question, parents felt they would fail their responsability if they left their son uncut since he would not benefit from all the improvents given by circumcision.

so today, if parents, after carefully considering/studying the issue, still consider that circumcision provides sufficient benefits, shoudln't they be allowed to have their son snipped ? Parents make a lot of choices on behalf of their children that "guide" them in a certain way and thus deprive that child of "other ways".

NO!

Back in the "heydays of circumcision" there were incorrect assumptions and a lack knowledge. The foreskin was not properly studied until the mid 1990's. Now that we know the true function of the foreskin we definitely know that circumcision is not an improvement and it is irresponsible to continue to hack them off.

Parents do make many decisions for their children but very few are as irreversible as this one, and they do not include modifying the body of the child when it is not medically necessary. When the child reaches adulthood he can choose himself whether there are sufficient benefits or not. It is his body!
 
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Whether the assumptions were correct or not during heydays of circumcision is not the issue. The issue is that parents, in those days, were convinced of the net benefits of circumcision and had no problems getting their sons circumcised. In fact, the mentality was such that NOT doing it was doing a disfavour to your son. (he'd get cancer, he would be ridiculed for being different etc etc etc).

In other words, in an environment where circumcsion is seen as beneficial, parents have no problems electing to have their son snipped.
 

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NO! The decision should be made by the owner of the foreskin when he's old enough to make decision. Its kinda like religion or supporting sports club, it;s shouldn't be forced upon.
 

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NO!

Back in the "heydays of circumcision" there were incorrect assumptions and a lack knowledge. The foreskin was not properly studied until the mid 1990's. Now that we know the true function of the foreskin we definitely know that circumcision is not an improvement and it is irresponsible to continue to hack them off.

Parents do make many decisions for their children but very few are as irreversible as this one, and they do not include modifying the body of the child when it is not medically necessary. When the child reaches adulthood he can choose himself whether there are sufficient benefits or not. It is his body!
Same story with
Foot Binding
Lobodomies
Electro-shock therapy

Mayan head deformatio
Female circumcision...


They were all recommended and were all widely accepted. Today they are ALL A SERIOUS CRIMINAL OFFENSE.


There is absolutely no reason why Male Circumcision doesn't either belong on that list.
 
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Whether the assumptions were correct or not during heydays of circumcision is not the issue. The issue is that parents, in those days, were convinced of the net benefits of circumcision and had no problems getting their sons circumcised. In fact, the mentality was such that NOT doing it was doing a disfavour to your son. (he'd get cancer, he would be ridiculed for being different etc etc etc).

In other words, in an environment where circumcsion is seen as beneficial, parents have no problems electing to have their son snipped.

Sure, in an environment where circumcision is seen as beneficial parents their is a tendency for the parents to not have an issue making the decision to have their son snipped. Unfortunately, this is true not only back in the heydays of circumcision but even now. Even though more accurate information is now available the decision is made either in ignorance or it is ignored in favour of tradition, like father like son or for religious reasons.

Your original question does not reflect the statement quoted above. (See below).

so today, if parents, after carefully considering/studying the issue, still consider that circumcision provides sufficient benefits, shoudln't they be allowed to have their son snipped ? Parents make a lot of choices on behalf of their children that "guide" them in a certain way and thus deprive that child of "other ways".

Your question asks if parents should be able to make the decision if they research the subject and conclude that it circumcision is beneficial. My answer is still "NO". There is not any concrete information that circumcision is beneficial. All medical associations currently state that there are not any significant medical benefits associated with circumcision. There are undisputed studies that do prove that the foreskin is functional, erogenous tissue.

The fact that the foreskin is functional, erogenous tissue is enough in itself to justify the institution of laws to abolish non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors. Removal of the foreskin, in the very least, permanently alters the future sexual experiences of the individual. Such decisions should only be made by the individual that will be so affected.

Even if there are benefits health related to circumcision, (e.g. controversial studies showing reduction in HIV transmission through heterosexual sex) the decision to take advantage of those health benefits and accept the loss of the foreskin's functional benefits should only be made by the owner of the penis.
 
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The medical associations states that the medical benefits of circumcision are not sufficient for them to recommend routine circumcision of baby boys. This is not a recommendation against circumcision.

There is a difference between not recommending something and recommending against something.

The medical associations do not recommend Viagra. But that doesn't mean they recommend against it. It means that if you choose to use Viagra, it is your decision and it is not supported by some medical association recommendation for widespread use of Viagra.


Medical associations still acknowledge that circumcision provides medical benefits. But the cost/benefits scale has tipped the other way because those advantages are no longer seen as important as before. But they are still there.

Note that in Africa, circumcision is now seen has having huge medical benefits because it greatly reduces the risk of spreading HIV. It is a prophylactic operation done to men who don't have malfunctioning foreskins because it reduces the risk of getting AIDS later on.
The cost of treating aids is huge in those nations that care for their sick people, so the cost of circumciing 1000 men to prevent X number of them getting AIDS ends up being cost effective, just as it was in the heydays of circ where the cost of circumcising all babies saved on the costs of circumcising 10% of men later on.

Reduce the number of circumcisions needed later on, and the cost analysis changes in favour of circumcising later on instead of doing everyone at birth.

But in now way do those analysis proclaim that circumcision is harmful.
 

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Note that in Africa, circumcision is now seen has having huge medical benefits because it greatly reduces the risk of spreading HIV.
This is a gross overstatement. The 'studies' that reached this conclusion indicated a very slight reduction in HIV transmission at best, and the methodology used was inherently flawed to say the least, ignoring different cross cultural standards of personal hygiene for example.

If you are going to make such exaggerated statements, you need to provide citation and links to the actual studies. Then be prepared for other posters to kick the 'data' to smithereens.
 
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slight ? The multiple studies made so far all point to roughly 60% reduction in males catching HIV from infected females. 60% is not anywhere near "slight", it is a MAJOR impact.

When at epidemic levels, even if you can delay some guy catching aids by 3 years, this is 3 years where he will not be spreading it to other women (who will in turn give it to many other males). So yes, reducing cnances of catching it by 60% is a major advantage that cannot be ignored whether you are pro or against circumcision.

Note that the first doctor to have gotten scientific numbers was an uncircumcised frenchmen. So this isn't about circumcision hungry doctors who see $ signs attached to foreskins.
 

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I'm risking hide and hair to respond in this thread, but I just want to throw this out there....

My husband and I chose to have our son get a partial circumcision. It was an informed decision we made together and we have no regrets. I understand why this is such a hot issue but there are several reasons why one might decide to have it done. The deciding factor for my husband and I was my family history. There are several males on my side that needed their foreskin removed later in life because it wouldn't retract and caused him severe pain. My father ended up with a circumcision at 12 years old because of this and there were a couple others that were older than that. We had to decide whether to do it when he was a baby and wouldn't remember or risk him having this problem later in life where it would be painful and possibly traumatic (it was for my dad). Parents aren't perfect people, we just decide and make the best decisions we can for our children at the time.