What is a partial circumcision, and how is it beneficial over full circumcision?
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What is a partial circumcision, and how is it beneficial over full circumcision?
a) Unless you can provide citation and links to the studies, what you're saying is purely anecdotal.
b) One must be very careful when interpreting the data collected in studies to examine the sampling methods before drawing conclusions.
c) Even if this were true, which I contend it is not, how does this relate to the issue of circumcision in the US, where standards of hygiene, not to mention HIV infection rates and availabily of condoms, are very different than in Sub-Saharan Africa?
A partial circumcision is when only a small amount of foreskin is removed from the tip. There is still foreskin coverage of the glans when the penis is flaccid but not as much (obviously). The benefit for my son is that his risk of needing a circumcision later on due to my family history is minimized while retaining most of his foreskin and the benefits it provides. It's not for everyone, but it worked out so far over here. If it wasn't for my family history we wouldn't have had him circumcised at all. My dad insisted that my brother be circumcised at birth because he didn't want his son to experience the pain and trauma of going through it later on like he and the other relatives did.
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I would.
Weird fucking woman who has desires to mutilate baby's penises if you ask me.
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So if you had been blinded in one eye from birth, you would want to do that to your son too?
Just because you are used to something, doesn't make it right or acceptable.
I dont really get the whole cosmetic circumcision thing though. If a foreskin is causing a medical problem then maybe there is an argument to have it removed but just because it is "what you are used to"...no.
This would be removing the most sensitive part of the penis. http://www.circumstitions.com/Images/sorrells-int.jpg
As to pain, simply clean it properly as a baby, don't force it back, just wash luke warm water over it, this is usually how it could tear and bleed. Same doesn't happen in any other mammals, dogs, cats, horses etc, because their parents don't clean them this way, they simply wash it in clean water without pulling it back. People do this because they are confused that the adult penis could do this, but don't understand that the child still needs to develop to this stage.
It should be completely hassle free, just simply don't pull it back.
I wasn't privy to this information in 2000. I am doing some research on that now because I am curious about this. As far as foreskin care goes I am familiar with this as I took care of male babies (that are intact) before I had my son. We just didn't want our son to end up with phimosis like other family members.
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I love it when people do this and say "We have no regrets". What if HE has regrets?
Is there any evidence that phimosis is genetic? Are you aware of all the alternatives to circumcision, and to any surgery, for treating phimosis? Are you aware how many foreskin problems are caused by ill-advised attempts to retract it before it is ready to retract?
You reckon it's not painful for a baby?
There are some decisions you just don't have to make (until you have to make them).
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maybe our society (western/ traditional 'cut' areas of USA including Jewish briss) should change over to a mid-teen age ritual circumcision like the tribal African ones, I wonder how many we'd see
Of course, now that alot of insurance policies are treating it as elective...
Of course, now that alot of insurance policies are treating it as elective...
We were faced with a decision when we found out we were having a boy. We made as informed of a decision as we could make at that time. Not me, WE. My husband was also involved in this decision, which wasn't an easy one. Do you think we wanted our baby in pain? Do you realize that there is more information available now than 10 years ago about circumcision? I would share more information about his circumcision details but I have no desire to discuss this with anyone who wishes to demonize the parents instead of having an open dialogue.
Yes, you are a child mutilator.This is the only irreversible decision that a parent can make for a son, and you made it. Shame on you! Your son has been virtually castrated. Now you will be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law for this extreme case of child abuse. I don't know if anyone will defend you because of the nature of your crime, but you can try -- in vain.
So don't you see the big picture? It's just not about virtual castration and child abuse...no, no, no. You, yes, YOU, will be prosecuted at the Hague in the Netherlands for war provocation crimes (WPC). Your contribution, in fact, to RIC will be seen as a threat to global stability as intact foreskins are and will forever be the solution to lasting world peace (circumcision makes men mentally unstable as adults). It's that simple. I just don't know what you were thinking (My head hangs in shame for you.).
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Yes, you are a child mutilator.This is the only irreversible decision that a parent can make for a son, and you made it. Shame on you! Your son has been virtually castrated. Now you will be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law for this extreme case of child abuse. I don't know if anyone will defend you because of the nature of your crime, but you can try -- in vain.
So don't you see the big picture? It's just not about virtual castration and child abuse...no, no, no. You, yes, YOU, will be prosecuted at the Hague in the Netherlands for war provocation crimes (WPC). Your contribution, in fact, to RIC will be seen as a threat to global stability as intact foreskins are and will forever be the solution to lasting world peace (circumcision makes men mentally unstable as adults). It's that simple. I just don't know what you were thinking (My head hangs in shame for you.).
I'm at a loss for words...truly.
I think he was going for satire, but it failed. Just ignore it.
Look BBW, I think you probably had the best intentions and made the decision you thought was right based on your understanding at the time. I agree with other posters that it would have been much better to wait and see if a problem developed before taking drastic preemptive measures that very well may not have been necessary. Even if a problem develops, there are usually less radical alternatives available to fix it. What's done is done though, and however you or your son come to feel about it in the future, you shouldn't beat yourself up. However, if you do have another son, I hope you will seek more information before arriving at the same end.
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I thought so, but I couldn't be sure...
I did have the best of intentions. And the part that seems to be ignored is that it wasn't just my decision. My husband and I made this decision together and if he said no I wouldn't have done it. As someone without a penis I valued his input greatly. We made a decision together based on the information that was available, it's as simple as that. My son knows about his circumcision and we've discussed it with him. I won't speak about the details of the conversation because it's private, just know that my son's reaction was surprising and positive.
As far as having another son, that's never going to happen. If I were I know my husband and I would have to reconsider. There is way more information out there now than there was 10 years ago and there's no choice but to consider information that is new to us.
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The hospital/doctors/nurses faced you with the decision. Nowadays many don't, and very few outside the USA.
To clarify, I was aware it was a mutual decision. I was employing the plural 'you'.
I'm curious to know, is your husband circumcised? If so, I wonder if that influenced his decision.
As for the rest of your post, it sounds like you've got it about right.
Glad to hear that. BBW is a smart, thoughtful woman, and perhaps without intending, and perhaps because she was a bit quick on the defense, you may have come across a bit rough to her. :wink:
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I'm sorry, I wasn't speaking of you. I should have clarified that it had to do with the responses I received from Snozzle. His responses seem to come from a place that held me 100% responsible for a decision that was only 1/2 mine.
Yes, he is circumcised. I am not sure whether it influenced his decision or not (he never verbalized it to me) but I wouldn't be surprised if that influence was there. The only thing he said to me about it was that he was concerned about foreskin care because he didn't have one. I have cared for baby boys that were intact so I told him that if it wouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, I don't believe the decision was based purely on him being circumcised. If it were, there would have never been a question in his mind.
Thanks. What seems like the simplest of decisions to non-parents are major issues for parents. I wish I could say that we all get the same information when making decisions but we don't. Part of the challenge of parenting is that society is flooded with ever changing information. My sisters (a generation older than myself) remember being spanked when they were kids. Back then cops and neighbors were allowed to spank as well, as it was acceptable and a common form of correcting children. Nowadays it's considered child abuse and people get arrested for it. Back then, though? If you didn't spank your children you were a shitty parent that was spoiling your child. People are still divided on this issue, but until better information about it came along most of the population continued to spank their kids. The best example of this is my mom and sister. Back in the 70's my sister was a bully and considered a "problem child". Nothing that strict rules wouldn't cure....plus, she was a kid and she'd "outgrow" it. Was she cured? No. Actually, we found out that she has been bipolar her whole life and her acting out was due to her illness. My mother and I have talked about this and she has feelings of regret, that she should have done more even though she was doing her best already. Okay, I've gone way off topic here, but I think I made my point?
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