Interracial marriage stats and penis size

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I think the marriage statistics you quote have absolutely, positively nothing to do with penis size. I think there are cultural factors that make black men attractive to some white women and visa versa. And there are cultural factors that make asian women attractive to some white men, and visa versa.

nwnccpl said:
Hey,

During research for a book I stumbled upon some statistics that might imply penis size as a causal factor. Not something I would attach my name to as a scholarly hypothesis, but would like to throw out here. (These are all recent US stats, which I can back up with detail if anyone's interested.) White women marry black men far more than white men marry black women. Oriental women marry white men far more than oriental men marry white women. Both of those statistics suggest sexual selection according to penis size on the part of the woman. Of course, marriage and sex are not the same thing and it's possible that white men and black women fuck as much as vice versa, they just don't marry as much.

Knowing nothing about Native American dick size, I don't know what to make of the fact that a huge proportion of NA women marry white men (close to half) while very few NA men marry white women. All this would seem to create surpluses of black women, Asian men, and Native American men in the marriage market.

Comments?

Oh, BTW as a gay person I can comment that black and Asian and Latino gays often prefer whites sexually to their own ethnic group, and find equal number of white guys who prefer nonwhite partners. Not sure there's anyone being left out here.
 

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Sorry DC- if I could still edit how that thread was written I would. I did not mean to ascribe the later part of the post to what you said. I was trying to argue with nwnccpl about what would happen even if you went STRICTLY by physical characteristics. I was trying to say that even if you want to pretend that Asians are small, white average and blacks large myth is true there are still more factors you would have to consider before drawing the conclusion that he drew.
And I agree with the all shapes/sizes. My best friend (Asian) is nearly 6 feet and BUILT. I was using generalizations. I think on average there are more Asian men who are a little shorter and thinner.
As for myself I love pretty much all women. I have dated Asian women, white women and black women. The last bar I worked at had a cute little number who hailed from England, and let me tell you she had it all. Beautiful body, sweet personality, kindness and she was a legal assistant by day (read brains.) Somehow, while we flirted, it never did go anywhere. :frown1:
 

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First-- the book has nothing to do with penis size, Asians, etc. Thought I made it perfectly clear that I just stumbled upon those current intermarriage stats while looking into something else. I was looking into the frequency of interracial marriage in the 1960s (when my father married a black woman, my stepmother) and in subsequent decades. His family (siblings and mother) was so scandalized by his affair with her that they forced him to leave the state and then lied to his ex-wife and children about what had happened. It was eight years before we found out, by which time he and his wife had two children, my half-sisters.

No one seems to be disputing the basic pattern under discussion but let me be specific because it is so extreme that multiple factors must be involved. As of 2000, more than twice as many white women were married to black men as vice versa. More than twice as many white men were married to Asian women as vice versa. In questions of mate selection, economic factors would be considered as inducements for women's choices. But in the 2000 census the median family income for Asian Americans was $61094 and that for African Americans was $30858. And white racial prejudice has historically been stronger against black men than black women, or any other group for that matter. So this pattern seems culturally against the grain as well as economically. Here's Wikipedia on the disparities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage#Historical_interracial_marriage_disparities

The big surprise there is that in absolute numbers there are substantially more Asian American women than men, which to some extent accounts for disparities in marriage with whites.

Second, penis size differences are fairly small between ethnic groups, so I doubt that they could account for much of the difference. But does it seem so outlandish that penis size could be an evolutionary advantage in our species? Some have theorized that longer dicks succeed via natural selection because they succeed more at impregnation. As for sexual selection, Darwin apparently raised this possibility re other species but in looking on the Web I found just one neo-Darwinian evolutionary psychologist who discusses it at length re humans. He looks at other primates as well. The book is The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller and here's a review
http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/06/11/reviews/000611.11tattert.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Such a topic might be considered legit from a theoretical POV using biological data. But I doubt that any psychologist or sociologist would get far taking surveys on penis size as a factor in marriage rates or anything else.
 

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Yeah, this is complete bullshit! Marriage has to do with love, not lust. Maybe penis size is a factor for some women, but it's not the only reason a woman chooses to take vows with that man. :rolleyes:
 

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Lord P,

As I recall you live in the UK, correct? I think many of the women of African descent who would have immigrated there are probably from Africa or the Carribean. I believe do to many factors here, the statistics are quite different for native born African American women. Numbers, location, socio economics, physical characteristics, personality, cultural factors all weigh in to the issue of preference. Unfortunately, from my observation and the comments of other women of color on this thread in the US when others are available quite often women of African descent are not chosen. At this point in time it is almost 50% of African American women who will never marry. I have mentioned my own experiment on EHARMONY. Not giving my picture but merely changing my racial designation from African American to Other I found that the quantity, attractiveness and socio economic status of the men sent to me grew exponentially. I hate to say it but this was not a coincidence. I have had girlfriends despair of their lack of success on dating sites for some of the same reasons. When I include my picture and do not include racial designation often the options are open even further for interpretation....









Lordpendragon said:
Of course my own experience is nothing more than that, but I know more white male black female couples than vice versa. Black women would not be at the bottom of my list of sexually selected partners (not that I have a list and if I did, first equal would be full). Maybe white guys are intimidated and black women believe what their friends say. I also know asian guys who are married to white women - and no complaints.
 

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naughty said:
Lord P,

As I recall you live in the UK, correct? I think many of the women of African descent who would have immigrated there are probably from Africa or the Carribean. I believe do to many factors here, the statistics are quite different for native born African American women. Numbers, location, socio economics, physical characteristics, personality, cultural factors all weigh in to the issue of preference. Unfortunately, from my observation and the comments of other women of color on this thread in the US when others are available quite often women of African descent are not chosen. At this point in time it is almost 50% of African American women who will never marry. I have mentioned my own experiment on EHARMONY. Not giving my picture but merely changing my racial designation from African American to Other I found that the quantity, attractiveness and socio economic status of the men sent to me grew exponentially. I hate to say it but this was not a coincidence. I have had girlfriends despair of their lack of success on dating sites for some of the same reasons. When I include my picture and do not include racial designation often the options are open even further for interpretation....

I don't doubt you one bit Naughty, I have seen puerile dumb comments and scores on rating sites for black women, where frankly much less sexy white women get praised.

I have no idea why (white) American guys are like this, but from my own (limited) experience (not in the UK nor US BTW) African women are super sexy and love their men if the man respects them and gives back of himself. I can't really think of anything that would make me think of African women as being fundamentally different or less attractive - if they can't see beyond Barbie, they are probably not worth it anyway.

More fools you, white boys.
 

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I don't know how prevalent this is as a whole but an asian friend of mine confessed that he was not raised by his family to respect women. He said all the males in his family cheat on their spouses. Even though he knows it is wrong he still exhibits this behavior himself (rude or dismissive comments usually), but will apologize when it's pointed out to him.

If, and I stress IF, this is a prevalent attitude among asian men it would go much farther in explaining their marriage stats than penis size.
 

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I wish to know more detailed numbers from the census...about those numbers and the socio economic status of those people plus academical levels of education of all groups involved in the census findings...bcause white as majority in the US that are the ones marrying 'everybody else' I think...

And among others races Asians are know to step into academics and go all the way than for sure they will walk in profissional circles, African American I think women are stepping more into academics and having degrees as compared to the males...Latinos seems to drop out of high school in great numbers and may be the males in more numbers...

In some races and cultures still seem to have this notion of endogamy and loyalty to their races...and seems by the numbers even with more education more African American women stay loyal to their race...but the males rates drops as he gets more educated...than the African American women seems to carry this notion more strong and deeper in them for historical and emotional reasons deep inside them.

It seems clear that those notions about endogamy drops with education, more education more the individuals walk more freely around peoples of different races. And to me its just make sense that many situations opens peoples mind and be expose to 'different' people races and cultures...and the US in my view is still very close in themself country as a 1stworld nation compared with other 1st world nations, mostly in Europe. It may be that in the US there are many in white majority are afraid to loose thei identity if they 'let go' and mix too much with others??

And about north neighboor? It maybe that in Canada there are much more interracial misegenation going on bcause they are already an English and French Canadian country ??? And as the US they are kept bcause of an ocean from their rich 'mother' lands and European rich friends as white nations in American Continent...while the Europeans were so close knit to each other and the flow of many different races from their many colonies and others, so easy bcause of geographics...

Well, in my personal experience as a 1st generation Brasilian immigrant even without academic education but mostly bcause I considere myself an world citzen and very curious about others cultures and tend to see more culturaly than racially its easier for me to approach people of any race that have the same view of things as me...I met my bf that happens to be African American that loves cultures and travels outside US, than our exchanges was exciting bcause of that fascination with people and cultures and etc...later own I discover his big penis.:biggrin1: Than I'm atracted to people that do not have tunnel vision....

Brains and not penis sizes are in the choosing of most peoples partners, I think.
 

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Hey, it could be debated for eternity why people get married and in each circumstance it's a unique set of reason(s), one of which may or may not include perception of penix size. I can't count the times I've heard another make a remark about an interracial couple, some just outright malicious, others just sophomorically crass jokes. I say, "In this world, take love where you can get it."
 

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NineInchCock_160IQ said:
does being able to appreciate a girl with a giant cock make me gay?

No, not necessarily, it simply means that the 1% of you is being satisfied. The other 99% will have to find comfort in knowing that the rest of the transvestite is available for your personal satisfaction. :smile::biggrin1:
 

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naughty said:
Lord P, Unfortunately, from my observation and the comments of other women of color on this thread in the US when others are available quite often women of African descent are not chosen. At this point in time it is almost 50% of African American women who will never marry. I have mentioned my own experiment on EHARMONY. Not giving my picture but merely changing my racial designation from African American to Other I found that the quantity, attractiveness and socio economic status of the men sent to me grew exponentially. I hate to say it but this was not a coincidence. I have had girlfriends despair of their lack of success on dating sites for some of the same reasons. When I include my picture and do not include racial designation often the options are open even further for interpretation....

This has been on my mind sice yesterday, Naughty and I do remember you talking about this in different threads.

I try to avoid making comments about the US because it's not my place, but I am going to make an exception for personal reasons.

I can only conclude that there is instutionalised denegration of black women for the purpose of retaining a white bloodline through the male heirs.

This isn't a US only issue and it isn't only about women, though it seems more prevalent against black women in the US.

In the dim and distant, I had GF's of different races and a Jewish GF - "their people" made it quite clear that they could just about tolerate me as a BF, but they would really prefer me not to become part of the family. It's quite funny at first when you are a white boy and you think of yourself as the first world darling.

Naughty - do people acknowledge this issue? Is it openly discussed?
 

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Lord Pendragon,

As we both know the concept of "White" is a moving global target. There are people here in the US who consider themselves "white" who would not be considered so in other countries of the world. I hate to say it, but even for immigrants the formula of the American dream is well known if not openlu acknowledged. Work hard, accumulate capital, and for particular darker groups of the "white" race or at least those who wish to be considered thus marry Anglo so that your children if not yourself are removed further away from the stigma of "brownness".
I have even observed here on LPSG this phenom. I dont know if it comes from centuries of slavery and then long years of segregation, but old habits and issues die hard. A black colleague and I were talking about the fact that he had jokingly said to a "white" colleague that because of some of his cultural preferences he had to have some "black" in him. The individual's reaction was one of automatic recoiling before he recovered himself long enough to try to make amends. Sad to say this was not an isolated incident. It is a reaction that I have seen over and over again. I have often been asked by Italian nationals if I were Italian, I have been thought to be many things, but quite often when men hear me say I am black or see me with black friends they behave as if I had been attempting to deceive them! LOL! I had one particularly amusing incident with an east Indian admirer who refused to believe that I considered myself to be black. It was as if why would you be black, if you could be anything else.
Now to answer your question, women are the keepers of the culture. Because of years of slavery and its aftermath black women in this country have had to take the leadership in families, it has become a matriarchal culture whereas it might not have been in an undiluted racial or cultural state. For this reason, I think American black women as a group have gotten the reputation of being domineering, angry, volatile, unattractive( when placed against European standards). Just as is the case with white females in this country they are not monolithic however. Yes, there are probably many who fit that stereotype, but there are just as many who do not.
I dont think people would openly acknowledge this attitude in mixed company but I do believe consciously and unconsciously it is passed on in many circles. There are the few who are brave enough to buck the tide, but much less so than white female/Black male. As for another poster mentioning seeing more white male/black females in Florida, I would hazard a guess that they are probably talking about black females who if not themselves their parents are immigrants from the Carribean or Africa. I think to a degree they are not necessarily plagued with many of the constraints seen in generationally American blacks.

Caveat: This is my humble opinion and observation. For those who know who they are, do NOT send me an email about this post!


Lordpendragon said:
This has been on my mind sice yesterday, Naughty and I do remember you talking about this in different threads.

I try to avoid making comments about the US because it's not my place, but I am going to make an exception for personal reasons.

I can only conclude that there is instutionalised denegration of black women for the purpose of retaining a white bloodline through the male heirs.

This isn't a US only issue and it isn't only about women, though it seems more prevalent against black women in the US.

In the dim and distant, I had GF's of different races and a Jewish GF - "their people" made it quite clear that they could just about tolerate me as a BF, but they would really prefer me not to become part of the family. It's quite funny at first when you are a white boy and you think of yourself as the first world darling.

Naughty - do people acknowledge this issue? Is it openly discussed?
 

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nwnccpl said:
But penis size plays such a big role in sexual selection by gay men that it hardly seems outrageous to suggest that it may affect straight men's marital prospects.

Time and time again surveys and studies show that ultimately genital size is not a top factor in how women select men for long-term, monogamous commitments. MEN (for the nine millionth time) are totally obsessed with the all-mighty penis. We hetero women? We just think they're kinda neat.