Iowa Poll Goes to Bachmann

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  1. sargon20

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    Had to shake my head when I saw that news. Good thing it's just a straw poll, no guarantee that the winner will actually end up in the presidential race, much less live in the White House.
     
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    I seriously wonder how many of them voted from her because she was originally born on Iowa:rolleyes:
     
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    This straw poll is a joke...Perry will be the nominee because Romney has no shot against Obama.
     
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    Many people have been against Romney right from the very start. The fact that he's a Mormon already discredits him in some of the conservative circles. If he ran as an independent and embraced some of his successes (such as RomneyCare) he may have been a contender. But I agree... with Perry in the race, it'll only be a matter of time before the GOP start eating their own and he becomes the GOP nominee. Bachmann will be eventually tossed to the dogs. If history is any indicator, the public tends not to be to kind to female contenders. Ferraro. Clinton. Palin (even though she brought a lot of the scrutiny onto herself).

    Bachmann will skip along to the next straw poll thinking she has a chance, then run into the brick wall that is Perry since he has the look, talks the talk and has the swagger that many Conservatives simply want (regardless of what he stands for)... and targets the same audience that Bachmann does. A few weeks of "psycho clips" from Bachmann on repeat among her own party and she'll be out of it. Palin will eventually endorse Perry as well since she too is a person that attracts the religious base and is being positioned as being a "king maker" with a huge legion of fans waiting for her to show them the way (because she ain't running either). The only person left for Perry to defeat would be the frontrunner, and that'll be easy pickings since very few people have been kind to Romney from the beginning.

    And Ron Paul is simply not going to win. He's just like Romney... if he ran as an independent, he'd have a much better chance to make an impact. But this is the (R) candidacy we're talking about, and the guidelines for becoming that one person this political season are all too clear.
     
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    This is a very sweeping statement, but...why is it that uneducated, indigenous people in the States generally vote Republican, whilst in the UK they vote Labour?

    Only thing I can think of is in the US, these people tend to think the Republicans will be better at protecting their country and way of life, while in the UK they assume Labour will be best at providing for them and preserving their traditional way of life?

    Just an observation, very generalised and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but was trying to figure it out. :D
     
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    you would think the Repbs could come up with main stream candidate instead of a field of nuts. The only difference between Buchmann and Perry is that Perry has not been photographed in a dress yet.
     
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    hahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!!
     
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    According to the Boston Globe this morning, roughly 17,000 people voted in the straw poll. That's less than 3% of the actual voting population in the state of Iowa that are registered as Republicans (which is estimated at about 640,000 people). So if Bachmann won this poll with 28.6% of the vote, she received under 5,000 votes total.

    Damn. We knew that this straw poll was insignificant, but these numbers make it look even more ridiculous. Can someone wake me when Perry & Romney go head to head?
     
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    Are you saying that Native Americans vote Republican? :confused: Or did you mean indigent maybe?

    And it's not just the working class who vote Labour in the UK. In the North that is their main voter base. But many educated people whose views lean towards socialism do so as well.
     
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    And republican straw polls always throw up wacky results. The fringe elements like the teabaggers and Paul's libertarian support have a chance to win these things because their most fanatical supporters are the only people that actually turn up to these things in numbers.

    The candidate will probably be Romney, unless someone else enters the race.
     
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    Joe Scarborough goes to town about the absurdity of Bachmann's candidacy and the irrelevance of the Iowa straw poll to the nomination process: "Michele Bachmann is a joke. She is a joke. . . . Her answer is a joke, her candidacy is a joke, and anybody that sits here and says she has any chance of winning anything is out of their mind. Take your straw poll, take your caucus, but, Iowa, if you let her win, you prove your irrelevance once again."

    Scarborough: 'Michele Bachmann Is a Joke' | Video Cafe
     
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    I'm starting to question whether or not Joe is really a Conservative these days. He's making much more sense than anyone running for the nomination right now. I kid my Conservative brethren, of course... but he does make a point. Bachmann?! LOL!!!
     
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    Why do people/corporations keep throwing money at her. Is this really the best way for Americans to spend their entertainment dollars?
     
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    Lol, I didn't mean native Americans, no.

    I'm well aware many educated people vote Labour as well, I didn't say 'only' the working class vote for them.
     
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    What did you mean then? The word indigenous means native. Lol.

    Sorry, I'm not attacking you, your post just confused me... but I think you're saying that the working class in the US tend to vote for the right wing party and in the UK they vote for the traditionally socialist party.

    I think a lot of it has to do with different cultures. American society is more religious than ours is (even though constitutionally they are infinitely more secular) so the socially conservative angle comes into play more often on issues like abortion and same sex marriage than it does here, where all the mainstream politicians are more liberal. Also the US had the cold war and the red scare/Mccarthyism, which scared a lot of people away from holding old school leftist views, and actually I think changed American society in more ways than a lot of people realise... and then there's the North/South divide which also divides people between the two parties traditionally. So it's a lot of reasons.

    Maybe an actual American could answer this better than I could, but that's my take...
     
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    We also had a number of economic and political crises in the late 70s that finally gave the big-business-supported conservative movement the leverage they'd been seeking for decades. Ever since that Reagan revolution, for the last thirty years, we have had a marked shift to the right, along with a steady increase in the disparity of wealth and a continual erosion of the middle class. Yet people keep lining up to vote for more of the same--or, these days, something even more extreme.
     
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    I cant help recalling the comments of BBC foreign correspondents, that people in the US just arent interested in foreign affairs. Which means anything outside their home state/town. The growth of central government in just about all countries has been accompanied by greater rights for the individual and a transfer of resources to them.

    The US is described as the great melting pot and perhaps it is. But maybe that has equated with a breaking down of the original cohesive groups from which its people came, but no single united replacement. But then again, it still breaks into african americans, and german americans, and french americans, and so on. American tourists are notorious for being interested in where their ancestors came from. Perhaps the wars of the last 100 years have masked these continuing divisions in US society. Maybe an indigenous american is a rather distrustful and unsettled individual who is very suspicious of newcomers to his home town or those from far away washington who threaten to invade his land. The US federal government was designed by people who distrusted governments and wanted to strangle it at birth. This remains true?
     
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    BINGO. And sadly they keep trying to cure the problem with Reagan's voodoo economics with more voodoo. It seems all it takes is two years for everyone to completely forget who and how we got here. The election in 2008 which swept in the democrats was only because the financial collapse was only two months behind us, if it had been two years it would have been President McCain and VP Sarah Palin since Americans can't think back.
     
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