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Iran tries to kill Americans, instead may have blown up a domestic flight instead. A tragedy for certain caused by amateur warriors.

Ukrainian airplane shot down by mistake by Iranian anti-aircraft missile, Pentagon officials believe

That was a defensive system. It is very possible that's what brought the airliner down, but the system would've been activated as a defensive measure after Donald Trump's assassination of their general. So one could just as easily say that it's fallout from a fucking amateur President of the USA (a psychotic one at that).
 

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That was a defensive system. It is very possible that's what brought the airliner down, but the system would've been activated as a defensive measure after Donald Trump's assassination of their general. So one could just as easily say that it's fallout from a fucking amateur President of the USA (a psychotic one at that).

No, you can’t, but nice try.
 

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No, you can’t, but nice try.

Yes, you ABSOLUTELY CAN. If not for Trump's illegal acts of WAR, Iran wouldn't have been on heightened alert for ENEMY AIRCRAFT. If Iran mistook it for a bomber, that's on TRUMP'S head... just like the deaths of those Kurdish allies his ass abandoned on the battlefield.
 
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Predator Dotard J. Trump has the blood on his hands for the dead passengers, collateral damage for his attempt at a "wag the dog" style war.

He's a lying sack of shit.

And notice the "personal responsibility" crowd will never take responsibility for it. Just like they flushed George W Bush's 200,000 lives lost and $2 trillion war down the memory hole. And are ready to "Play It Again Sam" in Iran. The thread OP says he's against Middle East wars then why do they keep voting for people who do?
 

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And notice the "personal responsibility" crowd will never take responsibility for it. Just like they flushed George W Bush's 200,000 lives lost and $2 trillion war down the memory hole. And are ready to "Play It Again Sam" in Iran. The thread OP says he's against Middle East wars then why do they keep voting for people who do?

If you are against meddling in the Middle East, then you let it go. But the politicians know that unrest in the Middle East, even though we may not be involved in it, will put pressure on the world price of oil, and that throws the world economic machine into chaos. Higher fuel costs result in higher costs for goods, which reduces spending, which reduces tax revenue, which reduces what the government can fund without going into debt. Everything is connected.

If a politician did nothing, and kept out of the Middle East, but a contained conflict in the Middle East resulted in a spike in the cost of oil, those same politicians will get blamed for inactions which resulted in their constituents having to pay twice as much to drive, three times as much to heat their home, and twice as much for groceries...

I believe people vote with their pocket books / wallet.
 
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If you are against meddling in the Middle East, then you let it go. But the politicians know that unrest in the Middle East, even though we may not be involved in it, will put pressure on the world price of oil, and that throws the world economic machine into chaos. Higher fuel costs result in higher costs for goods, which reduces spending, which reduces tax revenue, which reduces what the government can fund without going into debt. Everything is connected.

If a politician did nothing, and kept out of the Middle East, but a contained conflict in the Middle East resulted in a spike in the cost of oil, those same politicians will get blamed for inactions which resulted in their constituents having to pay twice as much to drive, three times as much to heat their home, and twice as much for groceries...

I believe people vote with their pocket books / wallet.

AKA imperialism. All imperial powers are eventually overthrown as the treachery can no longer be tolerated.
 
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That was a defensive system. It is very possible that's what brought the airliner down, but the system would've been activated as a defensive measure after Donald Trump's assassination of their general. So one could just as easily say that it's fallout from a fucking amateur President of the USA (a psychotic one at that).
Just did. It's Donald Trump's fault those 176 civilians are dead.
Yes, you ABSOLUTELY CAN. If not for Trump's illegal acts of WAR, Iran wouldn't have been on heightened alert for ENEMY AIRCRAFT. If Iran mistook it for a bomber, that's on TRUMP'S head... just like the deaths of those Kurdish allies his ass abandoned on the battlefield.
Predator Dotard J. Trump has the blood on his hands for the dead passengers, collateral damage for his attempt at a "wag the dog" style war.

He's a lying sack of shit.
How can you "self-hating Americans" even live with yourselves?? You blame Trump? That's insane. Are you giving a pass to Soleimani who is the mastermind of so many American deaths? So much destruction around the world. Nobody trusts the Iranians. They've never been trusted ever since the hostage crisis in America back in 1979. Your left wing hero Obama gave the Iranians how many billions of dollars and a free pass to a better life. What did they do with it? Did they invest the money back into their people?? NO! They let their people starve and suffer. They imprisoned political opponents in Evin Prison in Iran (maybe you twats should Google Evin Prison and learn something about Iran before you mouth off at America). Their illegitimate mullahs and government officials funneled that money outside the country and pocketed it. They funded and armed Hezbollah, they started a war in Syria, they started another war in Yemen, they bombed their enemy Saudi Arabia's oil refineries, they engaged in cyber warfare with America and they infiltrated Lebanon's government. What the fuck are you people talking about if you don't know these things?? The leftist/globalist media that you listen to, the CNN's and others that are teaching you to hate America are where you are learning your misinformation. Soleimani was a terrorist plain and simple and Trump took him out, and Trump even used restraint when he could have attacked back when they bombed the US base in Iraq but he didn't. Trump did the right thing here!
 
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How can you "self-hating Americans" even live with yourselves?? You blame Trump? That's insane. Are you giving a pass to Soleimani who is the mastermind of so many American deaths? So much destruction around the world. Nobody trusts the Iranians. They've never been trusted ever since the hostage crisis in America back in 1979. Your left wing hero Obama gave the Iranians how many billions of dollars and a free pass to a better life. What did they do with it? Did they invest the money back into their people?? NO! They let their people starve and suffer. They imprisoned political opponents in Evin Prison in Iran (maybe you twats should Google Evin Prison and learn something about Iran before you mouth off at America). Their illegitimate mullahs and government officials funneled that money outside the country and pocketed it. They funded and armed Hezbollah, they started a war in Syria, they started another war in Yemen, they bombed their enemy Saudi Arabia's oil refineries, they engaged in cyber warfare with America and they infiltrated Lebanon's government. What the fuck are you people talking about if you don't know these things?? The leftist/globalist media that you listen to, the CNN's and others that are teaching you to hate America are where you are learning your misinformation. Soleimani was a terrorist plain and simple and Trump took him out, and Trump even used restraint when he could have attacked back when they bombed the US base in Iraq but he didn't. Trump did the right thing here!

No one denies Soleimani was a bad guy. That is not in dispute. However, yesterdays terrorist is tomorrows prime minister and that changes things quite a bit. Remember Menachem Begin? He spilt a Nobel Prize with Sadat in the Camp David accords. When Israel was still Palestine he was heavily involved in blowing up a school that killed 49 British children as part of his terror tactics to force the British out. Should Carter have just shot him on the hills of Camp David? The issue here is becoming more clear - Trump lied about why he killed Soleimani and tried to kill a second person on the same day. He keeps changing the story about the intelligence - which until that day, he always claimed was phony. Trump is very much the problem. While Iran is hardly a picture of benign integrity, they were, according to our inspectors in compliance with the Nuclear deal that Obama negotiated with the EU - which is why the U.S. returned THEIR money to them. Remember we had been holding it since 1975. What they did with it I cannot say, and surprise! neither can you.

Trump comes in and voids the agreement, tries to provoke a war to have something to blame Obama for and for a long time Iran resisted. And here we are - waiting for the other show to drop - which it will, sooner or later. Had Trump kept the agreement, he would have had leverage with Iran economically. They were more anxious than ever to engage the West to improve the lives of their people and their economy.

You get your self all twisted about Iran's human rights record. That's true enough but the issue is, are we prepared to go in an nation build like we have failed so miserably at since the Vietnam war? Afghanistan has been well documented recently in reports from The Washington Post as an on going failure from day one - in 2001 - until this moment. Trillions of dollars, thousands of lives all for nothing and the outcome was known in 2003. Yet again, here we are, The nation building is over. WE can't do it, so, yes, bad things are going to happen in places like this. Of course, we seem to not care when Saudi Arabia does the same stuff. I wonder why?

This is a big problem, but Trump is a big part of it, and he has made it worse over the long haul, not in any way better. As to the legitimacy of the government in Iran - as far as I can see it is more legit than Trump being elected president. He needed the Russians to win here, the government in Iran did it on their own.
 

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No one denies Soleimani was a bad guy. That is not in dispute. However, yesterdays terrorist is tomorrows prime minister and that changes things quite a bit. Remember Menachem Begin? He spilt a Nobel Prize with Sadat in the Camp David accords. When Israel was still Palestine he was heavily involved in blowing up a school that killed 49 British children as part of his terror tactics to force the British out. Should Carter have just shot him on the hills of Camp David? The issue here is becoming more clear - Trump lied about why he killed Soleimani and tried to kill a second person on the same day. He keeps changing the story about the intelligence - which until that day, he always claimed was phony. Trump is very much the problem. While Iran is hardly a picture of benign integrity, they were, according to our inspectors in compliance with the Nuclear deal that Obama negotiated with the EU - which is why the U.S. returned THEIR money to them. Remember we had been holding it since 1975. What they did with it I cannot say, and surprise! neither can you.

Trump comes in and voids the agreement, tries to provoke a war to have something to blame Obama for and for a long time Iran resisted. And here we are - waiting for the other show to drop - which it will, sooner or later. Had Trump kept the agreement, he would have had leverage with Iran economically. They were more anxious than ever to engage the West to improve the lives of their people and their economy.

You get your self all twisted about Iran's human rights record. That's true enough but the issue is, are we prepared to go in an nation build like we have failed so miserably at since the Vietnam war? Afghanistan has been well documented recently in reports from The Washington Post as an on going failure from day one - in 2001 - until this moment. Trillions of dollars, thousands of lives all for nothing and the outcome was known in 2003. Yet again, here we are, The nation building is over. WE can't do it, so, yes, bad things are going to happen in places like this. Of course, we seem to not care when Saudi Arabia does the same stuff. I wonder why?

This is a big problem, but Trump is a big part of it, and he has made it worse over the long haul, not in any way better. As to the legitimacy of the government in Iran - as far as I can see it is more legit than Trump being elected president. He needed the Russians to win here, the government in Iran did it on their own.
What you don't get is that the Islamists, political Islam, is strategically using their resources and our resources to dominate the West so they can finally take over and make a caliphate. In the end, who would you rather have leading you - Trump or an Ayatollah? You need to seriously think about that and check yourself. It is as black and white as you can imagine.
 

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What you don't get is that the Islamists, political Islam, is strategically using their resources and our resources to dominate the West so they can finally take over and make a caliphate. In the end, who would you rather have leading you - Trump or an Ayatollah? You need to seriously think about that and check yourself. It is as black and white as you can imagine.

If you think that could even remotely happen, you're farther around the bend than you appeared. Trump is unacceptable. He does not defend the Nation or our values, he steals for himself and promotes fear and hate among the uneducated bigots. If the Ayatollah wants to run the Middle East - let him have at it - the Saudi's are equally as bad. Why should I care? The people in that area want what they want, we only wanted their oil. It is not worth any more American lives or treasure.
 
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If you think that could even remotely happen, you're farther around the bend than you appeared. Trump is unacceptable. He does not defend the Nation or our values, he steals for himself and promotes fear and hate among the uneducated bigots. If the Ayatollah wants to run the Middle East - let him have at it - the Saudi's are equally as bad. Why should I care? The people in that area want what they want, we only wanted their oil. It is not worth any more American lives or treasure.
You have no clue what is going on in governments around the Western world right now. You are so naive about the intentions of regimes like Iran. This goes so far beyond just oil anymore. You already have it in Congress with people like Ilhan Omar. You have no idea the people that are hidden within the bureaucracy. Did you ever think 9/11 could happen? Do you think they just disappeared after that? Give me a break!