Iranian ambassador suggests CIA killed Neda

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    In an interview with Wolf Blitzer today, the Iranian Ambassador to Mexico said that the bullet that killed Neda Suliman wasn't "Iranian"; it was the kind used "by CIA and terrorists". Wolf looked incredulous and asked if he was seriously suggesting CIA involvement. The ambassador's non-answer left little doubt as to his implication. The CIA has issued a statement calling his words "rude and offensive". Not to mention ludicrous.

    I'm just surprised it took this long to pin the blame. :rolleyes:
     
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    It makes perfect sense though doesn't it...Neda is hailed as a martyr and so a powerful icon of the protests.
    When Mousavi and several high ranking political opponents including the ex vice president want Ahmedinijad out and doubting the credibility of the Grand Ayotollah what perfect and really ONLY opportunity the current government has to manipulate its people into believing that (as usual) it was the USA or its allies responsible for it and anything else which makes it look bad.
    The days of Ahmedinejad are counting down and hopefully soon he (and the ayotollah) will be gone, the sooner the better.
     
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    BLITZER: Are you seriously accusing the CIA of killing Nada?

    GHADIRI (through translator): We say that the bullet that was found in her head was not a bullet that you could find in Iran. These are the bullets that the CIA and terrorist groups use. Of course they warned that there would be a bloodshed in these demonstrations and then they could attribute that to the Islamic republic. This is part of a common act of CIA in various countries.

    BLITZER: Do you really believe that, Mr. Ambassador? You're a distinguished diplomat representing Iran. This is a very serious accusation that you're making, that the CIA was responsible for killing this beautiful, young woman.

    GHADIRI (through translator): I'm not saying that the CIA had done this. There are different groups. Could be intelligence services, could be CIA, could be the terrorists. However, these are the people who do these things.


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    The Iranian government is so comfortable, so casual lying to its own people on state tv. Lying to U.S. journalists seems to come as second nature. The astonishing thing is, these authoritarian diplomats and the authoritarian Supreme Leader and the bullying President seem to think the americans will lap up and naively believe every lie the spin doctors put out.

    Well, at least the cat is out of the bag. And this gig is up. Even the United Nations can longer be in doubt about the mendacity of this government.
     
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    Why wouldn't they think this? They're just following the Bush administration playbook, after all.
     
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    They learned from the best.
     
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    I don't think there is anything accidental coming from the Iranian government. They are saying at home that the election was fair, that it is the BBC/USA/Israel who have interfered in Iran and cast doubt on some fair elections, and that the CIA have murdered Neda Suliman to create a martyr.

    It is likely that a majority of people in Iran will believe this. While just about everyone outside Iran thinks the results are wrong, it remains probable Ahmadinejad did win, though with a much smaller majority than is claimed. In Tehran and the big cities there are people watching the BBC's Persian service using the internet and communicating through twitter. But this is a poor and repressed country, and most people will want the stability and strength that they will think Ahmadinejab will offer.

    I would love to think that the unrest would lead to a revolution bringing in freedom and democracy. I fear it will bring in a series of state executions of those demanding democracy.

    In order to cement their regime Iran has to find an external enemy. Hezbollah is effectively Iran's terrorist organisation, and attacks in Europe or even the US are likely, where Iran seeks to show to its own people that it can strike at countries that it is saying are interfering in Iran. It is also likely that we will see baiting of Israel. Probably Iran will push ahead full speed with its nuclear programme, and in a very short time will be in a position to target Israel. It is quite likely that Israel will take early action, and this gives the Iranian regime the enemy they need to prop up their regime. Alternatively Iran will attack, cementing their regime by what they will see as a glorious attack on Israel, which will be applauded by many in the Islamic world and make Iran the acknowledged leader of a new militant and fundamentalist Islam.

    It is all pretty gloomy.
     
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    According to the Ayatollah, the UK is the most evil of western nations, lol.

    And the people who led the demonstrations after the election, have waged war against God, and should be shown no mercy and executed. :eek:
     
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    I have a fraternity brother who worked for the CIA for about 10 years. His job was basically to off people. He'd get an info packet just like you see in the movies, track down the person, corner them in a hotel room or elsewhere, beat them within an inch of their life (he's 6'8" and extremely built), get the info he needed, then kill them. Very stressful job. His routine was one month on, 3 months off, and sometimes he'd come to my town to unwind. I thought the mental stress of the work was going to kill him. Only about 4 of us knew what he actually did, since he probably would have cracked completely if he had no one to talk to. He's retired from that now and trying to forget his past work as much as possible.

    I don't think, though, that he was the kind of specialist who would have been deployed to nix civilians as martyrs.
     
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    Iran-backed-Hezbollah has relatively large cells within Germany. With open borders within the EU there is no obvious barrier to stop a terrorist group based in Germany carrying out an attack in the UK. By calling the UK the "most evil" the Ayatollah has in effect cast Britain as the prime enemy, while the injunction to wage war on the enemies of God does seem like an incitement to terrorist murder.

    I imagine the UK intelligence services are working round the clock right now. Their track record is pretty good. But of course this threat is most concerning.
     
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    Well it's long been held that the best defense is a good offense. When you are crushing 1/3 (or more...) of your citizenry, either by oppression or outright force, why not blame all your troubles on everyone else???

    Gymfresh - that's an amazing personal story. Apparently bad movies are more accurate about these kinds of assassinations than they credibly appear to represent.
     
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    Is it back to the UK again? Can't they make up their minds?
     
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    Laughable. Here's a short list of some of the weapons that the U.S. has sold or given to Iran:

    • August 20, 1985. 96 TOW anti-tank missiles
    • September 14, 1985. 408 more TOWs
    • November 24, 1985. 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
    • February 17, 1986. 500 TOWs
    • February 27, 1986. 500 TOWs
    • May 24, 1986. 508 TOWs, 240 Hawk spare parts
    • August 4, 1986. More Hawk spares
    • October 28, 1986. 500 TOWs
    The weapons flow in and out of Iran, particularly with Iraqi Shiites, is as strong as ever. The notion that it's impossible to find a certain kind of bullet in Iran--from any country-- is nonsense... assuming one believes the ridiculous conspiracy theory.
     
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    It's a rotating kinda thing... equal opportunity bashing.

    Amazing figures Rex, where did you find them?
     
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    Even if it were a NATO round, how tough is it to get a weapon that would fire it, killing that person and then going thru the rest of that story ? 40+ years after the Kennedy assassination, does anyone really know the truth about that ?
     
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    If this is true, why the hell would you share this? It is the kind of information that would get you killed.
     
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    The Iranian government has now declared the election "closed". The Guardian Council claims they've recounted over 10% of the ballots cast and that Ahmadinejad has won by a 2 to 1 margin.

    Needless to say, there were no oversights for this supposed "recount".

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    Here's some ominous reportage:


    Ayatollah Qorban-Ali Dorri-Najafabadi, Iran's prosecutor general said Monday that the country's judiciary was making utmost efforts to identify those behind the latest riots, Press TV reported.

    "Definitely, those who attacked people with cold weapons and guns were not the Iranians, and the judiciary is making utmost efforts to identify those behind the country's post-election turmoil," Dorri-Najafabadi said.

    "Some people held illegal rallies and disturbed people's peace and security with inappropriate acts. They will definitely be identified with the cooperation of people and the judiciary."

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    To date, the government has offered up 3 explanations for Neda's death:

    1) the CIA did it

    2) An unspecified "terrorist group" did it

    and

    3) the protesters themselves did it
     
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    Do you have CNN on, too?
     
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    They are playing for a home audience.

    For a majority of people in Iran it may well be that CIA/terrorist/protesters are virtual synonyms. The regime is advancing the view that external enemies working with a few homegrown malcontents have acted in a way which is illegal. The risk is that they now have a full crack down, using informers and the many video clips to identify people who have taken part in demonstrations.

    A war would suit the present regime as a way of uniting support behind the regime. Israel is their obvious target. Terrorist activity is most likely to be directed against the UK.
     
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