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Dear LPSG'ers, how are you all today? Great I hope. I'm looking for a little clarity on a subject that was presented to me in another thread. The context of my question has little to do with the debate, but to support their ideology, an LPSG'er stated, and I quote:

"If someone raped a person in a drunken rage and regretted it for the rest of their lives, never raping again, how does that make them a rapist?"

I told him this was bullshit thinking and that he should ask the women here that same question, and his response was, and I quote:

"Ask women, who are emotional to begin with about a one time rapist (a subject that particularly targets their gender), what kind of response do you think they'll give? Of course they're going to side with you. But the reality is, that something a person does only once does not incontrovertibly define their state of being..."

I know I'm stubborn as hell, and people here tell me I'm not "open minded" enough to other people's opinions, so....am I nuts for thinking this way of thinking is completely insane?
I started to ask this question in the "ask a woman" section, but I didn't want to make it a gender specific question. Anyone here agree with this?
 

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We are not talking a victimless crime here. It's not like he is stealing an extra newspaper out of the machine. He has impacted a real live human being for the rest of their lives. Raping someone makes you a rapist. That's how it works. So sorry for the inconvenience, Bubba. And insisting you should get a free one is kinda sociopathic thinking.
 

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Dear LPSG'ers, how are you all today? Great I hope. I'm looking for a little clarity on a subject that was presented to me in another thread. The context of my question has little to do with the debate, but to support their ideology, an LPSG'er stated, and I quote:

"If someone raped a person in a drunken rage and regretted it for the rest of their lives, never raping again, how does that make them a rapist?"

I told him this was bullshit thinking and that he should ask the women here that same question, and his response was, and I quote:

"Ask women, who are emotional to begin with about a one time rapist (a subject that particularly targets their gender), what kind of response do you think they'll give? Of course they're going to side with you. But the reality is, that something a person does only once does not incontrovertibly define their state of being..."

I know I'm stubborn as hell, and people here tell me I'm not "open minded" enough to other people's opinions, so....am I nuts for thinking this way of thinking is completely insane?
I started to ask this question in the "ask a woman" section, but I didn't want to make it a gender specific question. Anyone here agree with this?

So someone who commits another crime, like murder for example? Your honour I only did it once, I am very upset by this and sorry for what I have done, don't call me a murderer, also don't ask a woman about their opinion on this, they are far to emotional about murder."

Buddy, you are going have some interesting comments back at you. I suggest you buy a crash helmet.
 

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If you murder someone once you're always a murderer. Same goes for rape. If a person murders someone else this person will always be a murderer to the victims family. The same goes for rape. The person who has been raped will always think of their attacker as a rapist. Rage is NOT an excuse for anything! If you want my opinion, the person you quoted is flat out wrong. You shouldn't respect opinions if they are completely misguided. I could have an opinion that 2+2=5, my opinion would be wrong.
 

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Killing someone while in a drunken rage makes you a murderer. Raping someone while in a drunken rage makes you a rapist. I wonder would the person who made that comment feel the same if the victim of the rape were a man.
 

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Killing someone while in a drunken rage makes you a murderer. Raping someone while in a drunken rage makes you a rapist. I wonder would the person who made that comment feel the same if the victim of the rape were a man.

Or his daughter / sister / mother / grandmother?
 

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Speaking as an emotional woman.....:tongue:

Women aren't actually the only ones who get raped. Maybe we report it more than men, but it does happen. Anyway, I totally side with you - one rape or ten, the person doing the raping is a rapist. Man or woman as victim or perpetrator.
 

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I do understand what that guy was trying to say, because there in fact are people (although not very many at all) who've committed sex crimes who have actually physically castrated themselves in order to stop being offenders.. some of them really cannot control their attractions/urges in some cases.. but that doesn't mean they're not still guilty of committing RAPE, which as others have stated, affects victims and their loved ones forever. So yes NC_BBC, I agree with you.

A drunken rage isn't an excuse for anything. The person committing that crime is still guilty, because the psychosis was self-induced. In my mind even people who are legally insane and dangerous still shouldn't be allowed to stay in society, they need to be taken away from it period. Not necessarily imprisoned.. but someone who is psychotic and harming others needs to be removed from the public.

Try to tell the victim "it's not their fault, they were drunk" and see how much better they feel about it. The OFFENSE was still committed.
 
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Speaking as an emotional woman.....:tongue:

Women aren't actually the only ones who get raped. Maybe we report it more than men, but it does happen. Anyway, I totally side with you - one rape or ten, the person doing the raping is a rapist. Man or woman as victim or perpetrator.

This is very true.

I know from experience, as I was raped a couple of days before Christmas. I don't know how many other guys he's done this to and I don't care. In my eyes, he is a rapist.

One time or ten, regardless of whether he/she is remorseful or not, he/she's a rapist. Period. Even if I weren't the victim of this god awful act, my opinion would still be the same on this subject.
 

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This is very true.

I know from experience, as I was raped a couple of days before Christmas. I don't know how many other guys he's done this to and I don't care. In my eyes, he is a rapist.

One time or ten, regardless of whether he/she is remorseful or not, he/she's a rapist. Period. Even if I weren't the victim of this god awful act, my opinion would still be the same on this subject.

OMG! I am so sorry! I don't know if you reported it or not...that happened to a close friend of mine, too. He never reported. I am just.....:hug:
 

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So someone who commits another crime, like murder for example? Your honour I only did it once, I am very upset by this and sorry for what I have done, don't call me a murderer, also don't ask a woman about their opinion on this, they are far to emotional about murder."

Buddy, you are going have some interesting comments back at you. I suggest you buy a crash helmet.

Whoooooa....I'm the messenger!!!! I definitely disagree with the guy. But when I debate with someone and they make a claim like this, I like to make sure I'm not nuts or ignorant before proceeding to explain to him why he IS...
 
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He's still committed rape, whatever the reason - so technically he's a rapist - or has been at one time.

The fact he (theoretically) regrets it for the rest of his life is a good sign - altho it's probably better to feel remorse - put every strategy in place not to repeat the crime ever again - then try and do good to somehow partly atone for it.
 

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A rapist is a rapist. No excuses. Even if the rapist spends the rest of their life regretting it, the victim will spend the rest of their life remembering, or trying to forget it.

You should also tell the poster to do a little research on prison rape, and read the statistics on men being raped in prison. Rape is in no way specifically targeted towards women.
 

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I agree with Lacey I'm sure there a plenty of people who regret killing stealing raping it doesn't change what they did
 

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A rapist is a rapist. No excuses. Even if the rapist spends the rest of their life regretting it, the victim will spend the rest of their life remembering, or trying to forget it.

You should also tell the poster to do a little research on prison rape, and read the statistics on men being raped in prison. Rape is in no way specifically targeted towards women.

I don't think he's the type of person to adhere to logic, reason, statistics, rationale, science, or collective socially accepted ideologies. *shrug*