Is a straight man who hooks up with another man really straight?

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This topic seems to come up a lot, which always confuses me. It seems to me that the definitions for heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual are very clear.

Heterosexual: sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex exclusively
Homosexual: sexually attracted to members of the same sex exclusively
Bisexual: sexually attracted to members of both sexes

Any of the above sexual orientations are perfectly acceptable and cover all aspects of human-to-human sexual interactions.

If a man married to a woman wants to sometimes have sex with a man, he would be bisexual and perfectly within the realm of the human sexual experience.

The biologist in me doesn't understand why there is so much confusion on this topic. Is it denial? Or labeling? Or societal acceptance?
 

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But you can watch the porn you like before, and then go perform your xxx scene ^^
You still don't "get it"! :rolleyes: :confused: Yes, I could get all hot and bothered watching straight porn, but then as soon as it came time to be with a man, I'd deflate in 2 seconds. For me and my sexuality, it really is that simple!
 
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This topic seems to come up a lot, which always confuses me. It seems to me that the definitions for heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual are very clear.

Heterosexual: sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex exclusively
Homosexual: sexually attracted to members of the same sex exclusively
Bisexual: sexually attracted to members of both sexes

Any of the above sexual orientations are perfectly acceptable and cover all aspects of human-to-human sexual interactions.

If a man married to a woman wants to sometimes have sex with a man, he would be bisexual and perfectly within the realm of the human sexual experience.

The biologist in me doesn't understand why there is so much confusion on this topic. Is it denial? Or labeling? Or societal acceptance?

I thought it was just because I'm female that I don't get it. Is there an instance where bisexual means something different, because if it means what I think it does, I don't understand the problem...

As a dispassionate observer, it seems like the two groups who hold on hardest to the straight men participating in same sex behaviour/whatever as till being straight are a) men who do it but for whatever reason want to be considered straight instead of bisexual, or b) the gay/bi men who for whatever reason want to believe they are participating in sex acts with a straight man. Probably a horrible over-simplication, but maybe that's because I don't see anything wrong with being labelled bisexual.
 
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I have bottomed... and sorry but the idea of being penetrated- of being USED by a man is a huge part of what makes it exciting to me. The submission is an important element of the experience. How many bottoms on this website, alone, have chimed in about wanting to find 'straight men' who will 'use' them sexually?

To an outside observer, it's this fantasy seems to fuel a lot of the debate on this subject.

Is there not an issue of supply/demand? Based on the quote, an otherwise ordinary guy, could boost his value to *some* in the gay community by professing to be completely straight, no? He may be more sought after *by some* than he would've been otherwise and his partner would have their fantasy fulfilled.

It's a win/win... until people try and impose their fantasy on other people's reality. Then it all kicks off. I honestly don't think its homophobia by the majority of men who get aggravated, I'm reading frustration.

JMO, this doesn't effect me at all, I've just been curious for a while after seeing the same arguments over and over
 

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You still don't "get it"! :rolleyes: :confused: Yes, I could get all hot and bothered watching straight porn, but then as soon as it came time to be with a man, I'd deflate in 2 seconds. For me and my sexuality, it really is that simple!
I was using "you" not meaning you dear user... it was generical to indicate people doing porn ;)
 

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It would be hard for me to buy into any definition of "being totally straight" where it included somebody who was once or twice consensually blown by another guy. This sort of situation is where one says that he's "primarily straight;" just like those men who sleep almost exclusively with other men, but have on an occasion or two had sex with women ought to say that they're "primarily gay." If one absolutely must label themselves, they ought to do so accurately, at least in my book. Then again, labels of any kind usually cause more problems than they solve.
 

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I have never chimed in on these threads or topics before. Now is as good a time as anytime.

I think that if a man is engaging in any form of sexually related activity with another man, he cannot be considered 100% straight. Period. If the desire and activity is there, whether it has happen only once or 100 times, then they need to accept they are at least bi-sexual. It is hypocritical to say you're straight, but have a desire for sexual activity with another man, whether you act on it or not.

I have identified as bi from my sexual development years. I have always had a stronger interest in women, but also a definite interest in men. In my young adult life, I acted on those desires sexually with both sexes, enjoyed it, so therefore indentify myself as bi. I see absoulutley nothing wrong with it. It's just the way I am built.

I think so many man that continue to hold onto the stigma of 100% straight, when deep down they know they are bi, are only adding to an everyday struggle, that frankly, with acceptance, will make their lives so much easier.

Well, there it is, for what it is worth.
Have to quote this again because literally everything he said was already on point. If you haven't read what he said read it.

Labeles are not what cause problem it is people trying to change the meanings of them is what causes the problems.

A stop sign means to actually stop your car but many people instead of stopping either do a rolling stop or just slow down. Not following what the sign means is what causes accidents.

There is nothing wrong with the labels it is people attaching negative meanings to them that's the problem.
 
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HUMAN SEXUALITY IS VERY FLUID, if a guy fucks around with another guy in curiousity....i don't think that makes them gay......they may even get fucked in the ass by a guy as an adult, with or without a female present...and no i don't think it makes them bisexual. If the guy has lingering and consistient longing be with men.....then yeah he's def gay or bisexual. Im gay, if i fuck a girl as a way to fuck a hot guy oe just to suck his dick, i know after the act is through......im still gay....fucking a girl won't change what turns me on 99% of the time.
 

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To an outside observer, it's this fantasy seems to fuel a lot of the debate on this subject.

Is there not an issue of supply/demand? Based on the quote, an otherwise ordinary guy, could boost his value to *some* in the gay community by professing to be completely straight, no? He may be more sought after *by some* than he would've been otherwise and his partner would have their fantasy fulfilled.

It's a win/win... until people try and impose their fantasy on other people's reality. Then it all kicks off. I honestly don't think its homophobia by the majority of men who get aggravated, I'm reading frustration.

JMO, this doesn't effect me at all, I've just been curious for a while after seeing the same arguments over and over


Absolutely.
The ONLY purpose of labels at all is advertising.

We each brand ourselves with the labels that we think will draw to us the people we seek to be like or be with
We each want to be visible to the people who might be interested in us.

No one in isolation needs the label of Gay. They need it to find other gays and to be found by them.


So- sure- a guy could boost his salability to segment of the Hole contingent by labeling himself straight...

But, again... if that is the label he chooses to serve him best... isn't that the sole POINT of the label?
 
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Absolutely.
The ONLY purpose of labels at all is advertising.

We each brand ourselves with the labels that we think will draw to us the people we seek to be like or be with
We each want to be visible to the people who might be interested in us.

No one in isolation needs the label of Gay. They need it to find other gays and to be found by them.


So- sure- a guy could boost his salability to segment of the Hole contingent by labeling himself straight...

But, again... if that is the label he chooses to serve him best... isn't that the sole POINT of the label?

I wouldn't have thought so - surely the idea of labels is that the meaning is universal, and that's what is causing the arguments in threads like this? Not claiming to be an expert here, or anything, just genuinely fascinated by the whole furore
 
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HUMAN SEXUALITY IS VERY FLUID, if a guy fucks around with another guy in curiousity....i don't think that makes them gay......they may even get fucked in the ass by a guy as an adult, with or without a female present...and no i don't think it makes them bisexual. If the guy has lingering and consistient longing be with men.....then yeah he's def gay or bisexual. Im gay, if i fuck a girl as a way to fuck a hot guy oe just to suck his dick, i know after the act is through......im still gay....fucking a girl won't change what turns me on 99% of the time.

I see your point and I tend to agree with a one-off for someone to see if they like it or not not being decisive, but I don't tend to see the guys at the straight (no desire/curiosity whatsoever to mess around with a guy) end of the spectrum ever posting the 'sexuality is fluid' line. I don't know if that's indicative at all, just something I've noticed.

Anyway, I think I've interferred enough in something that's got fuck all to do with me!
 
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Many many guys who identify as Herero have been sucked off by a guy or sucked a guy. I've been with plenty of them. It usually happens only once or twice.........unfortunately many men don't feel comfortable admitting their sexual experiences because other ppl will just shove them in the "gay" category...... Look at all the jokers on here saying they are 100% straight.......yet they're on LPSG which only has like 10 women on it.....they obviously like to show off (to mostly men)and look at big dicks....it's kinda "gay" if they don't have their cock in a guys mouth speaking of that, here's one of me;-)
 
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I thought it was just because I'm female that I don't get it. Is there an instance where bisexual means something different, because if it means what I think it does, I don't understand the problem...

As a dispassionate observer, it seems like the two groups who hold on hardest to the straight men participating in same sex behaviour/whatever as till being straight are a) men who do it but for whatever reason want to be considered straight instead of bisexual, or b) the gay/bi men who for whatever reason want to believe they are participating in sex acts with a straight man. Probably a horrible over-simplication, but maybe that's because I don't see anything wrong with being labelled bisexual.
I agree with you to some extent. It does sound a bit like 'special pleading' from groups that, for whatever reason, have an interest in being considered straight when their actions are really bisexual. And yes the definitions are quite clear. But I think there's also a problem with the absolutism of saying straight means 100% heterosexual and anyone who's ever had a gay attraction or encounter is de facto bisexual, because the reality is more fluid than that. In most studies, 95%+ of men self identify as straight, but around 30% or more have had a homosexual encounter at some time or another, and maybe more than one encounter. So do we say that these people who think of themselves as straight but have had some gay experiences are in denial, deluded bisexuals, or do we accept their self-definition as straight? If not, why not? Relating this to something a bit less emotive, if a person calls themselves a vegetarian, but meat has passed their lips (as it were) in the past and may do again, do we say they are really meat eaters who like to pass themselves off as vegetarians, or do we cut some slack and accept their view of themselves as essentially vegetarian? I think we are being too absolute and puritanical when it comes to sexual identity.
 
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I agree with you to some extent. It does sound a bit like 'special pleading' from groups that, for whatever reason, have an interest in being considered straight when their actions are really bisexual. And yes the definitions are quite clear. But I think there's also a problem with the absolutism of saying straight means 100% heterosexual and anyone who's ever had a gay attraction or encounter is de facto bisexual, because the reality is more fluid than that. In most studies, 95%+ of men self identify as straight, but around 30% or more have had a homosexual encounter at some time or another, and maybe more than one encounter. So do we say that these people who think of themselves as straight but have had some gay experiences are in denial, deluded bisexuals, or do we accept their self-definition as straight? If not, why not? Relating this to something a bit less emotive, if a person calls themselves a vegetarian, but meat has passed their lips (as it were) in the past and may do again, do we say they are really meat eaters who like to pass themselves off as vegetarians, or do we cut some slack and accept their view of themselves as essentially vegetarian? I think we are being too absolute and puritanical when it comes to sexual identity.

I was vegetarian for 10 years, I haven't been for about 8. I'm an ex-vegetarian ;p
 

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View attachment 448783 Many many guys who identify as Herero have been sucked off by a guy or sucked a guy. I've been with plenty of them. It usually happens only once or twice.........unfortunately many men don't feel comfortable admitting their sexual experiences because other ppl will just shove them in the "gay" category...... Look at all the jokers on here saying they are 100% straight.......yet they're on LPSG which only has like 10 women on it.....they obviously like to show off (to mostly men)and look at big dicks....it's kinda "gay" if they don't have their cock in a guys mouth speaking of that, here's one of me;-)

I really hate this sort of assumption. Having a very large cock isn't all "happy, happy, joy, joy." I imagine it's a bit like being extremely tall. You wind up being somewhat stigmatized by your physicalities. I don't really mind anymore when guys in the locker room somewhat discretely check out my junk, but it is annoying when you're trying to shower or get dressed at the gym and some guy is just staring at your dick. And while I've been glad when my size has added pleasure to any of my partners, I've been in a couple of relationships where I wound up feeling that my dick was the main reason why a girlfriend was dating me--no, it didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. And then there are those girls who really struggle being intimate with you because Part A doesn't fit Slot B; in fact, the reason I came to this site was because I was in a relationship with a woman who I would wind up hurting from going too deep inside of her--I got some great advice about that in here BTW. And you younger guys have no idea what it was like to be sexually active with a 6+ inch thick dick back when every latex condom was "one size fits all." At least 25% of the time I'd be fucking someone, the rubber would wind up breaking on me. And the Mods won't let me go into the stigmatization which goes on during adolescence when your body isn't like the rest of the boys. I could go on and on. . .

What I'm trying to say is that it's sort of nice to interact on line with other guys who've gone through some of the size issues that you have. Yes, some guys are in here to try and hook up with other guys or exercise their homoerotic imaginations, which is absolutely OK, but that doesn't mean that everyone in here is so for those reasons.
 

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Is a cat with the word DOG written on it a dog?
If i jump naked into a swimming pool full of water, will i stay dry?
If i eat meat can i still be a vegetarian?

How about, can you eat VJ and still be a Vegetarian ?:D
 

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View attachment 448783 Many many guys who identify as Herero have been sucked off by a guy or sucked a guy. I've been with plenty of them. It usually happens only once or twice.........unfortunately many men don't feel comfortable admitting their sexual experiences because other ppl will just shove them in the "gay" category...... Look at all the jokers on here saying they are 100% straight.......yet they're on LPSG which only has like 10 women on it.....they obviously like to show off (to mostly men)and look at big dicks....it's kinda "gay" if they don't have their cock in a guys mouth speaking of that, here's one of me;-)

Some men think that If a woman dresses in a tight or short outfit, means that she wants sex or is easy to get into bed. I hope we all know this to be a misconception. But By the same logic if a straight man is a member here he must want to hook up or look at thousands of penises, again a misconception

Every time I read the statement that there are no Straight men on LPSG and they must be Bi if they are members here I laugh. So I guess all the Straight men should just leave the site so they will not be accused of living a lie.
 

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I tried jacking a guy off a guy for the second time a couple days ago. I even let him give me a blow job. And attempted to return the favor to be fair. I didn't enjoy any of it( Weirdest thing I've ever done in my life haha). I wasn't nervous, didnt feel guilty, I was making half the moves. My curiousity was satisfied and I realized I'm just not physically into men in that way and that's ok. You have to TRY something before you know if you really like it or not. Nothing about the experience really clicked for me or felt like I WANTED to do it again. Not like how it is with women. I dont mind having a jack bro as long as they understand Im not into anything physical be it a and job, oral or anal, let's just watch porn, jack off, maybe compare, nutt, then go. No more. I still identify as straight. I do not have romantic feelings for men and I am realizing what I thought might be a sexual interest is actually just a kink/fetich for watching people get off regardless of gender and i'm ok with that. :)