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Is America Great Again Yet?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Drifterwood, May 24, 2019.

  1. Drifterwood

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    Is it?

    How will we know when it is?
     
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    When it is proclaimed by the “extremely stable genius”.
     
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    He'll be telling you that it will need two terms for him to get you there. Then of course, For Life President, to keep you there.

    You know it makes sense, Sam, if you could only love America more.
     
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    What does a "Great America" even look like?
     
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    I think we'd need to see it naked before we make the call mate ;)
     
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    I think the rest of the world is ready for the robe to go back on
     
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    A damned sight less than it WAS, I'd say.
     
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    The world has witnessed America being stripped naked beginning June 2015.

    And its ugly underbelly of bigotry, misogyny and hatred of everything non-straight, non-white has continually and regularly been exposed.

    And...It has not been pretty. Let alone great. SAD!!!:oops:
     
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    It's the America many always suspected to be true. His legions of cult followers will never say this is the reason they adore him but there is enough data out there to prove it.
     
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    I just looked. Pennywise is still President. America’s greatness is a thing of the past.
     
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    Oh but it is still GREAT just not in the way the plebeians want.

    These are the golden days of sleaze

    American politics has become a case study of the type that college professors employ in Ethics 101. If the economy is good, does presidential corruption actually matter?

    That President Trump and members of his circle are corrupt has been established beyond doubt. There is the financial corruption of using the presidency as a marketing tool for Trump businesses; of foreign governments seeking influence by spending at Trump properties; of close associates being paid for influence by foreign entities; of industry advocates and lobbyists being appointed as industry regulators; of the Trump Organization expanding overseas operations with the help of foreign governments; of possible money laundering through Trump properties. And all of this in the context of a president fighting tooth and nail to shield his financial records from public scrutiny.

    There is a political corruption of inviting a foreign government to interfere in a presidential election; of seeking politically motivated investigations against opponents; of attempting to block and discredit legitimate investigations of Trump’s own questionable activities; of directing secret payments to women with potentially damaging information; of attempting to influence ongoing federal investigations.
     
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    Trump must be self-projecting again. During his morning helicopter rant about treason, when asked about treason being punishable by death, he went on to list all those he claims have committed treason against him. Per usual, he lacks understanding of the concept. As he endorses his concept of treason and punishment by death, he should be more concerned where this could backfire on him and the circle of criminals that enable and surrounds him.

     
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    Just another onionhead.
     
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    Humiliated? As soon as you accept a job with Trump you must immediately prepare to A) be humiliated B) discredited C) lie constantly and in sync with Trump D) never hold a public position again. I admit item D is if the Republican Party and Foxy News doesn't vomit up something worse than Trump which is always possible.
     
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    Exactly.

    If anyone's guilty of TREASON, it's Trump, and I said as much on a number of occasions.

    From the moment he stood on a national stage and invited a foreign adversary to hack American servers, by virtue of his campaign's open solicitation of said adversary to interfere in our national election, followed by their efforts to COVER IT UP,

    by his standing next to the leader of that foreign adversary, saying he believed HIM over his own intelligence community,

    by virtue of his efforts to obstruct and impede the investigation into all the above, by virtue of his continued efforts to fight the release of information, efforts to ignore (or get others to ignore) subpoenas,

    by virtue of his orders that allow his side pocket AG to endanger his own intelligence community via the release and declassification of information, at his SOLE discretion...

    that and MORE has TREASON written all over it.

    Intel chief warns Barr could imperil national security by declassifying documents - POLITICO


     
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    Australia stark naked kind of looks the same! Both bods need nips and tucks and more tlc I reckon.
     
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    There have been many threads like this one seeking to engage the Trumpsters. They are not here by and large. They're too busy tuned into Foxy News and Breitbart dosing heavily on a steady diet of propaganda and lies, how great Trump is and how awful everyone is that doesn't bend the knee for him.
     
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    When the natives take it back
     
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    "From the moment he stood on a national stage and invited a foreign adversary to hack American servers,"

    Hillary - "China, if you're listening, why don't you get [hack] Trump's tax returns? I'm sure our [deep state] media would richly reward you"


    "followed by their efforts to COVER IT UP"

    Cover what up exactly? The speaker muttered this statement with 0 evidence for it.

    "by his standing next to the leader of that foreign adversary, saying he believed HIM over his own intelligence community,"

    You mean the agencies that tried to frame George Papadopoulos as colluding with Russians, but failed miserably? The people in the agencies investigating him that spoke of an "insurance policy" just in case trump won? The agencies that used an unverified document which started this entire thing that was actually paid for by Fusion GPS? Knowing that his campaign was being SPIED ON by these ABC agencies? Ted Cruz was also spied on (this information will come out soon just you wait). I mean, can you blame the guy for not trusting these people? They see him as a villain. Why should he trust them? Honestly, put yourself in his shoes and what would you think?

    "by virtue of his efforts to obstruct and impede the investigation into all the above,"

    He didn't fire anyone who was investigating. He allowed his own White House staff, family, and cabinet to testify for hours on end. He also handed over an unprecedented 1.5+ million documents over to the investigators AND the Muller probe was the FOURTH investigation into the SAME matter. He had every right under the law to fire whoever he wanted to and he also had every right to claim executive privilege at any time to stop people from testifying or to even give over documents. But he never did, NOT ONCE.

    "by virtue of his continued efforts to fight the release of information,"

    He's releasing every single classified document on the matter. How can you ever say this, lmao? Even with the Muller report, NONE of that had to be given to the public. Trump also could have again used executive privilege to withhold the entire Muller report. Instead, he ordered Barr to declassify as much as possible. Barr declassified 98% of the report. He's fighting for a ton of transparency here and I think it's idiotic to say otherwise. You would think that "fighting the release of information" would imply that Trump would use his executive privilege to stop all this investigating, right? At least the release of it?!?

    "efforts to ignore (or get others to ignore) subpoenas,"


    Right, ONLY subpoenas about financial records. This is a touchy one for the Dems and I think Trump is playing 4D chess here. I think you fail to realize there is NO LAW that a president must release their tax returns. If Muller wanted them, then he would have got them. So it begs the question, why would they do it publicly now and not during the Muller investigation that took TWO YEARS? Wouldn't that be something he would look into? However, If they get his tax returns in court, it sets precedent for public officials legally being required to give tax returns. Something I'm sure the millionaire senators would be shaking in their boots about xD. I think he wants this to happen. It would be nice to see how these rats (both rep & dem) get their money.

    by virtue of his orders that allow his side pocket AG to endanger his own intelligence community via the release and declassification of information, at his SOLE discretion...

    Ahhh.. So declassing the information about the Russia investigation wasn't ever an issue of "endanger[ing] his own intelligence community?" It's kinda funny how the left BEGGED for the declass of Muller's report, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's now a "danger." AG Barr is a very respected and competent individual. He has server this country for an incredible amount of time and it would be downright dumb to think nobody on Barr's investigation team would weigh in on the classified information. Also, there is a very strict procedure that must be adhered to when declassifying and Trump made that clear in the memo:

    "With respect to any matter classified under Executive Order 13526 of December 29, 2009 (Classified National Security Information), the Attorney General may, by applying the standard set forth in either section 3.1(a) or section 3.1(d) of Executive Order 13526, declassify, downgrade, or direct the declassification or downgrading of information or intelligence that relates to the Attorney General’s review referred to in section 1 of this memorandum."

    This executive order is very tight and was implemented by Obama. Barr declassed the Muller probe with no problems to ABC agencies, what makes you think this one will?

    Why can't we just be ok with the public having knowledge of matters that follow declassification standards? Shouldn't this be what is best for our country? There is clear evidence top officials at the ABC agencies having abused their powers (most demoted, resigned, or fired because of it). Why is this such a big issue? People are still holding onto the Russia narrative after 4 DIFFERENT investigations found no evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Barr even said Muller can testify to Congress if he wants to. Trump is simply letting the public see facts now, something absent in Muller's report. We let y'all run the show for over 2 years and nothing came of it. Isn't it logical to now think there might be some shady stuff going on? That we, the people, ought to know what is truly going on here? If it ends up being like the Russia probe where nothing was found, then great! But, from what Barr's actions are, it seems that there is criminal wrongdoing here.
     
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    A big gip of us are nice, intellectual people tbh!! It just doesn't help your cause to be rude to Trump supports by hurling out general claims like this. But if that's your prerogative, then by all means, I'm intrigued! :)
     
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