A personal observation and question aimed, primarily, at the ladies but I'm interested in thoughts from the guys, too. Not sure if this has ever been discussed, but I've never had a girl voluntarily suck me unless I was either hard or it was in order to make me hard (and I've never requested it - but maybe I should). Never have I been sucked when flaccid, purely for her pleasure(?) of sucking on a soft dick. I even had a girlfriend, once (though not for long - lol) who refused to even glance at my cock unless it was hard (she claimed, to any and everyone prepared to listen, that all love-truncheons look "unmanly" unless pumped and raring to go). Never have I gained anything but pleasure from sucking and tonguing a girl's nipples - erect or not. The same goes for a clitoris (they can't be always standing to attention) which I can play with for hours without needing it to be part of foreplay per se. Is this just a female thing? Is sucking dick only performed in order to achieve or maintain an erection &/or to make a guy cum? Does anyone (lad or lass) like to suck a penis and roll it around their tongue when it is limp, soft and pliant and with no arousal agenda?