Is anyone else upset about Obama/Watermelon joke?

[B_VinylBoy]

Be nice, b.c. LOL!! :biggrin:

 

[uncutguy37]

yea, I guess, and my talking points are conflicting with your talking points. When you were pointing out all the virtues of Jackson why didn't you mention his financial problems and how he extorts money from corporations in exchange for not "boycotting them", and how he fathered an illegitimate child with a younger woman, and how he and his son got caught trying to "buy" Obamas senate seat? yea, he's a great guy, I guess those things got left out of your talking points??

 

[maxcok]

I do remember Jacksons comments on Obama and when he said "Himey Town" and Sharpton is also guilty of the same things, thats why it bothers me when these two guys come out against anyone who says something they dont like and demand they get fired or step down, and thats fine with everyone. But if a liberal makes the same comment they are no where to be found, and no one says a word, thats the double standard I'm talking about and I dont need Hanity or Rush to point that out for me.

IT'S NOT THE SAME, DUMBASS.

There is context, source and nuance to be taken into account. If you can't get that, you are either stupid, lying or both. In either case, you are clearly a mouthpiece for your propaganda ministers, and nobody gives a shit except you and other stupid tools like you.

God, listening to you people spin the same old broken record is boring as shit.
Why don't you learn some new tunes, for chrissake?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

yea, I guess, and my talking points are conflicting with your talking points.

Talking points? Sorry, dude. I'm not using a blog or a website to source this material. This is coming live and direct from me.

When you were pointing out all the virtues of Jackson why didn't you mention his financial problems and how he extorts money from corporations in exchange for not "boycotting them", and how he fathered an illegitimate child with a younger woman, and how he and his son got caught trying to "buy" Obamas senate seat? yea, he's a great guy, I guess those things got left out of your talking points??

Where did this come from?
The only reason why I brought up Jesse Jackson was to illustrate how someone of color, said something racist about someone else and was called out on it. Not only by liberals, but by other black people as well! That goes completely against your ideal of a political "double standard".

As for your character attacks on the man... so what? You're on a big penis site, pandering for nude photos and looking for the latest amateur bukkake porn videos. You should be the last one trying to make yourself look morally superior to anyone... even if it is a politician you hate just because of your partisan, political beliefs. Now, can we get back on topic here or are you going to throw out more diversions?

 

[maxcok]

yea, I guess, and my talking points are conflicting with your talking points. When you were pointing out all the virtues of Jackson why didn't you mention his financial problems and how he extorts money from corporations in exchange for not "boycotting them", and how he fathered an illegitimate child with a younger woman, and how he and his son got caught trying to "buy" Obamas senate seat? yea, he's a great guy, I guess those things got left out of your talking points??

There is no double standard. And I don't think anybody's on a bandwagon here other than a few, a very few, with your sentiments. I know I'm not, never have been. I've been plenty critical of the president in the past, right now based on his performance I'm very impressed, and I support his effort one hundred percent. Support of the president is entirely irrelevant here anyway. Support of Dan Rather is relevant if you want to try that.

Jesse and Al have never spoken for me or told me what to think. I have disagreed with them and criticized them both on many occasions. Like the rest of us, neither of them are perfect. It's easy to dismiss them on some bad moves, but it's dishonest to do so. Jesse in particular has brought a lot to the table in his career and earned my respect. Incidentally, he's the first presidential candidate I ever made a financial contribution to, the first presidential campaign I worked on in 1988. Even though he didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell, it was a matter of principle for me, certainly not a bandwagon. I liked what he said - that he would speak truth at the expense of votes or more popular positions, and he showed courage and character. You should look at his history in the Civil Rights struggle. You might think better of him.

I will suggest again, why don't you read through the thread with an open mind, if that is possible, and get back to us. Right now you're just spouting talking points served up by your own 'thought police'. It's obvious, to answer your question. And frankly, it's just boring as hell.

Jeezhus Keerhyst!!! Give it up you partisan hack. We have explained this to you ten ways to Sunday, but you don't want the answer. All you've got is that one damn talking point, which you repeat over and over. Like a dog on a bone, you are, and it just proves what a stupid partisan fuck you are.

 

[uncutguy37]

sorry , I guess I touched a nerve? or the truth about Jackson hurts?
why is "not the same thing" to point out the truth about liberals? am I the only one who heard about Jackson having a child with a younger woman? funny how all of things about Hanity or Rush are true and they are full of hate speach, but anything about Obama or jackson or Sharton is a lie and just "talking points" from the right, sounds like your the one being told what to believe.

 

[maxcok]

What a tool you are.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

maxcok: Sometimes, even the most detailed explanation doesn't seem to connect with people who are more interested in passing judgements and arguing instead of trying to find some common ground and understanding. uncutguy37 is just another example.

 

[maxcok]

I'll put him on my ignore list. Which is growing.

 

[MalakingTiti]

Courtesy of Dan Rather...

Dan Rather: 'Articulate' Obama Couldn't Even 'Sell Watermelons' | NewsBusters.org

It looks like Matthews tried to stop him/cut him off - but he was intent on making the watermelon analogy.

It seems like the network should make a statement.

Wondering what would have happened if Rove or Hannity had uttered such a plateful of racism.

Dan Rather has always been a redneck hack. I didn't even realize he had a job. Forget him. He's a zero.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

sorry , I guess I touched a nerve? or the truth about Jackson hurts?

How about I put this in words you understand...
Who GIVES a fuck about Jesse Jackson?

why is "not the same thing" to point out the truth about liberals?

Because it's not the truth.

am I the only one who heard about Jackson having a child with a younger woman? funny how all of things about Hanity or Rush are true and they are full of hate speach, but anything about Obama or jackson or Sharton is a lie and just "talking points" from the right, sounds like your the one being told what to believe.

Son, you act as if nobody here knows Jesse Jackson's past scandals? That's not the issue here. You're suggesting that there's a double standard amongst liberals when one of their own makes a racist statement. And now, because that was proven wrong you're now trying to change the subject matter to something completely different. A nice diversion tactic, I'm sure, but I'm much more interested in exposing your bigotry than some washed up politician's.

 

[uncutguy37]

I'm just expressing my views, sorry if they are different form yours, it seems funny that when you dont have a valid response all you guys can do is start calling me names??
I have not said anything bad about anyone on this posts,and because the truth hurts you guys, you resort to name calling.

 

[maxcok]

Sorry Charlie, spin it how you like, but it ain't 'the truth'. Later, hack.

 

[uncutguy37]

Great way to win a argument with someone you disagree with, just start calling them names, that will prove your point.

 

[maxcok]

Dan Rather has always been a redneck hack. I didn't even realize he had a job. Forget him. He's a zero.

I've been trying to figure out how to say this, and I'm so glad for what you said, Senor R. You have delivered reason and clarity to the discussion, and well expressed as always.

I can recall on more than one occasion staying up late on election night listening to Dapper Dan vamp on, while we all waited for the returns to come in. He would spit out one expression after another like, well, watermelon seeds. Having no small appreciation for Southern colloquialisms myself, I found it highly entertaining, and it helped the time pass quickly. I can see how others might be annoyed though, or confused.

If anything, I think this incident indicates a post-racial mindset on his part. He is clearly not a racist. These expressions come to him as natural speech without thinking. Was it an unfortunate choice of words given the venue? Yes. Was it stupid? I don't think so. I expect it wouldn't occur to him, though possibly it should, that his meaning would be misunderstood and exploded out of context. I wonder if he had said something like, "he can sell ice to snowmen", would that be interpreted as a slur against white folk?

Here's the text of a speech he made in 1998 at the JFK library about his years covering Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights struggle. I think it lays to rest any doubts about the man's attitudes or intentions. Maybe afford the "doddering old fool" a little respect, too.

Dan Rather: Covering The Civil Rights Movement

Last line: ". . . I want to repeat my gratitude to you all for giving me this chance to recall a time when righteousness and honor found their strength in this country, when virtue overcame adversity, when justice had its day, when a king (Dr. King) triumphed over tyranny - and when I was lucky enough to see a big part of it."

Yeah, you really haven't missed anything. But give the man his due.
If you only know his recent history, you've missed quite a lot.

He's had a long amazing and admirable career reporting on all the important stories of the last half of the 20th century. His coverage of the Civil Rights struggle, and his reporting from Viet Nam, when being a war correspondent actually meant something - those two alone are remarkable.

I think he deserves a little respect.

Dan Rather - Wiki

So now who's a hack, Zero?

 

[maxcok]

Great way to win a argument with someone you disagree with, just start calling them names, that will prove your point.

Great way to distract from the considerable substantive intelligent rebuttals we have given to your one stupid, dishonest talking point, parrot head.

You don't want the truth, you don't even want a debate. All you want is a forum to spout that crap you've been fed. Said it before, say it again, you are either stupid or dishonest or both. In either case, you are a tool.

And I couldn't give a shit about 'winning'. I care about being well-informed and understanding the nuance, the reality and the truth behind the spin and the headlines. Reality is generally painted in shades of gray, not black and white. But that may be too difficult a concept for someone like you to wrap your tiny shrunken head around.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I'm just expressing my views, sorry if they are different form yours, it seems funny that when you dont have a valid response all you guys can do is start calling me names??

Do you REALLY want me to start calling you names?
The only person who doesn't have a valid response is you. Your argument is now completely different from where you started from. What happened to your "view" about liberals having a double standard when someone makes a racist comment? Funny how your selective amnesia kicked in when you realized that your rant was being debunked.

I have not said anything bad about anyone on this posts,and because the truth hurts you guys, you resort to name calling.

What truth?
Oh, yeah... the usual banter about unfaithful politicians. Stuff that everyone already knows, yet somehow you've fooled yourself into believing that your opposition doesn't. Knowing that Jesse Jackson, a liberal, or anyone in office has a "love child" or cheats on their spouse doesn't hurt me or anyone else around here. And sweetie, you're on the wrong board if you're going to be crying about calling people names. Besides, your first comment (or viewpoint) referred to liberals as being hypocrites, so in reality you tossed the first stone. Don't get mad if people throw boulders in return.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I think all of them are scum, Dems and Republicans both, if they worked half as hard at solving problems as they do at getting re-elected and lining their pockets the country would be in great shape. But in all honesty, where are Sharpton and Jackson when a Dem or liberal makes a racist comment?

"Jesse Jackson is not the king of black people" - Token from South Park

No one person can determine what is prejudicial or offensive to all. A remark that comes from someone with a history of making offensive remarks is very different from an inadvertent remark from someone who has never made such a remark before.

And yes most, if not all, career politicians are "scum". It has become more about remaining in office and not doing anything with that office. Never forget, "Power corrupts".

 

[StormfrontFL]

sorry , I guess I touched a nerve? or the truth about Jackson hurts?
why is "not the same thing" to point out the truth about liberals? am I the only one who heard about Jackson having a child with a younger woman? funny how all of things about Hanity or Rush are true and they are full of hate speach, but anything about Obama or jackson or Sharton is a lie and just "talking points" from the right, sounds like your the one being told what to believe.

Why are you stuck on the whole "he had a child with a younger woman" thing? Was she your girl? What the hell does an illegitimate child have to do with racism or double standards?
You fail to understand that Jesse and Al are not the spokespeople for all black people. We, unlike the people who parrot every word that Rush or Sean utter, are able to think, act, and react however we like. You seem to want to give Al and Jesse more power and authority than either I or VB ever have.
I swear the Neocons on here seem to be part of the Borg Collective(one mind, one thought)

 

[b.c.]

sorry , I guess I touched a nerve? or the truth about Jackson hurts?
why is "not the same thing" to point out the truth about liberals? am I the only one who heard about Jackson having a child with a younger woman? funny how all of things about Hanity or Rush are true and they are full of hate speach, but anything about Obama or jackson or Sharton is a lie and just "talking points" from the right, sounds like your the one being told what to believe.

Don't you know? Nothing "outs" you more so than responding to all of the points and counterpoints by trotting Jackson and Sharpton out of moth balls. E v e r y s i n g l e t i m e someone wants to allude to some kind of "liberal racism" they dredge up and dust off Jackson and Sharpton. WTF does his "baby momma" have to do with anything????

LMFAO... (i think i'll put back up my j-off guys on this one).


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