Is circumcision really that big of a deal?

[SpoiledPrincess]

You consider being low and loose an advantage, and it's implicit in your post that you consider your glans being covered an advantage You're providing anecdotal evidence here yourself.

And you say having an injection traumatised you yet a circumcision didn't, you can't know that, but the fact that you consider something that happened to you at that age to have had a traumatic effect on you means you should also consider that (although you said for yourself it didn't) circumcision can also have a traumatic effect on some guys.

I'm getting bored with this, I posted a graph which unfortunately degraphed itself when I posted it, which showed that the higher the circumcision in a country the more cases of hiv there were, those were WHO figures, actual figures not conjecture as the oft cited african study is.

Sometimes an ounce of common sense is of more use than a medical degree, take away an area rich in nerves and you've taken away from sensation, not added to it. Surveys can waffle on all they want trying to give longevity to a practice an increasing number of people are starting to see isn't acceptable, but apply common sense to it if you can manage to be that impartial.

 

[simcha]

You consider being low and loose an advantage, and it's implicit in your post that you consider your glans being covered an advantage You're providing anecdotal evidence here yourself.

No, I don't consider it an advantage at all. It's just the way that I am cut. As I've always said, variety is the spice of life. I was making a point that there are many different types of circumcision and so your constant harping about exposed glanses doesn't universally apply. I was showing that yet again, you don't have the experience (personal or otherwise) to be qualified to make your claims. You're welcome to your opinion, of course. And we all have the right to toss it because we know that you cannot possibly know what it is like to live with a circumcised penis, and you as a English lady have precious little exposure to men who have been circumcised.

And you say having an injection traumatised you yet a circumcision didn't, you can't know that

Actually I am the only one who is in the position to know that. You aren't. You are not me. It's very insulting of you and the anti circ movement's to attempt to try to convince me or anyone else that I or anyone else who was circumcised was traumatized. Trauma is always dependent on the person who experienced it. I won't be brainwashed into thinking I was traumatized simply because you want to repeat it ad nauseum. Just because there is a loud minority of circumcised guys on here who are unhappy with their cirmcumcisions doesn't mean that the rest of us who are by far and away the majority are unhappy or traumatized.

Sometimes an ounce of common sense is of more use than a medical degree, take away an area rich in nerves and you've taken away from sensation, not added to it. Surveys can waffle on all they want trying to give longevity to a practice an increasing number of people are starting to see isn't acceptable, but apply common sense to it if you can manage to be that impartial.

Using your "common sense" logic isn't the same as providing scientific medical proof in the form of studies and surveys. Just because you choose not to believe any of the surveys or medical studies that are pro circ isn't proof that those studies aren't valid. And your assumption that "people are starting to see isn't acceptable" is again your stated opinion and not a fact. Just because we have a loud minority on this board and on the internet that is anti circ doesn't mean that more and more people are becoming anti circ. Again, show me the surveys and studies that aren't funded by the anti circ propaganda machine.

 

[SpoiledPrincess]

Any custom that was once considered acceptable had its very vociferous supporters when there were increasing calls for it to be banned, RIC will be banned. I look forward to that day.

What is this anti circ propoganda machine? Would you have considered abolitionists and suffragettes propogandists - they all had to fight for rights that we now consider basic human rights.

Would you care to tell me what you consider this 'anti circ propoganda machine' has to gain, I can tell you exactly what the pro circ propoganda machine has to gain - cold hard cash.

 

[simcha]

Would you care to tell me what you consider this 'anti circ propoganda machine' has to gain

They have the oppression of Jews the world over to gain and that is very much in evidence that is what you would want given your last post.

 

[Drifterwood]

The two largest sets of circumcised men are Americans and Muslims. Now you have something in common, maybe you can get on with each other.

 

[SpoiledPrincess]

lol simcha, are you mad

 

[Ed69]

You consider being low and loose an advantage, and it's implicit in your post that you consider your glans being covered an advantage You're providing anecdotal evidence here yourself.

And you say having an injection traumatised you yet a circumcision didn't, you can't know that, but the fact that you consider something that happened to you at that age to have had a traumatic effect on you means you should also consider that (although you said for yourself it didn't) circumcision can also have a traumatic effect on some guys.

I'm getting bored with this, I posted a graph which unfortunately degraphed itself when I posted it, which showed that the higher the circumcision in a country the more cases of hiv there were, those were WHO figures, actual figures not conjecture as the oft cited african study is.

Sometimes an ounce of common sense is of more use than a medical degree, take away an area rich in nerves and you've taken away from sensation, not added to it. Surveys can waffle on all they want trying to give longevity to a practice an increasing number of people are starting to see isn't acceptable, but apply common sense to it if you can manage to be that impartial.[/quote]

Thank you Princess!I know first hand what being cut at birth did to me!I don't need a degree to figure that out.It was tight and painful to have an erection and I lost the ability to become erect at 30 years of age.I got it back through restoring. The medical community that supported and encouraged my mother to do this to me had no idea what to do when I asked for help.My 9 year old son is intact and will get to feel things I never will with a woman.:redface:

 

[DC_DEEP]

Your comment that "if they AREN'T happy with it, there's NO WAY TO UNDO IT". Well, I think the claim is that they are undoing it.

You missed the point again. No, they are not undoing it. They are repairing it. There's a huge difference. Just as in my analogy to the leg amputation.

They have the oppression of Jews the world over to gain and that is very much in evidence that is what you would want given your last post.

You brought it up again, so please respond to my comments in my post #44.

 

[Dave NoCal]

If he believes the stuff he is writing, Simcha is clinically paranoid. Attempting to reason with such people is invariably fruitless.

 

[DC_DEEP]

If he believes the stuff he is writing, Simcha is clinically paranoid. Attempting to reason with such people is invariably fruitless.

It's kinda bizarre, though, Dave. In all the other thread topics, he's thoughtful, well-written, and engages in great debate. Not in this topic, though.

 

[Dave NoCal]

DC,
I know. I don't understand it.
Dave

 

[SteveHd]

These secret guys can safely comment if they don't mention smell, smegma, or in some way praise infant circumcision.

Due to the fact that the above has caused confusion, I retract the statement in entirety.

I'm not going to reply to all of this because quite frankly, it's been fun, but I'm getting kinda tired of it now, and it's futile anyway. ...

Interesting.

... I have never called anyone here an asshole.

Correct.

Note to all: He's refering to:

... my side has been called "complete assholes" thus nothing is inhibiting your side from saying what they wish to say.

To joejack: About your question about suicide bombers ... my answer is: no.

 

[deleted15807]

Sargon is an avowed enemy of foreskins

Too much friction means the penis and the vagina are more likely to be abraded during sex. Abrasions of course provide a perfect opportunity for the transmission of STDs. That might well explain why the US has a higher rate of AIDS than does Europe.

Yes I shoot them on sight!! If that last sentence isn't psuedoscience I don't know what is.

An old man once told me 'We never question taste.' And that's what this is. I was foolish to try and use logic and data. Very foolish. I wont let that happen again.

All one needs to do is search porn titles and/or descriptions for the term 'uncut' and it is 100% gay porn. Do the math. I have.

 

[DC_DEEP]

If that last sentence isn't psuedoscience I don't know what is.

All one needs to do is search porn titles and/or descriptions for the term 'uncut' and it is 100% gay porn. Do the math. I have.

Oh, the agonizingly delicious irony!

I suppose you are right, sargon, doing a google search and finding gay porn titles definitely is hard science (pun intended). You could probably even get a research grant from the National Science Foundation. Need some help with a grant proposal?

 

[SteveHd]

Ironic indeed. He'll use a porn-title search to convince himself of a "gay fetish" but then will reject the Sorrells et al study even though it's original research and was published in a peer-reviewed professional medical journal.

 

[deleted15807]

Science has very little to with it i've realized. And I won't discuss it. Indeed uncut is what you want in a partner and yourselves. Science can't evaluate desire and preference. It's useless. And that's why you guys through it all out. Because it's YOUR DESIRE. Your wrap whatever 'science' around your desire. And I feel validated I'm not the only one on this site who was noticed it.....

http://www.lpsg.org/sex-with-a-larg...gly-obsessed.html?highlight=gay+uncircumcised

Women don't care. Guys do.

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[arktrucker]

At least this much of the quote I agree with. It's done, don't obsess over it.

But back on topic, circumcision is not really that big a deal - IF YOU ARE THAT WAY BY CHOICE. I know you were, but as above, you can't change it now, so it's something you will just have to live with.

But if you are ever in the position to make that choice for someone else (i. e. an infant): don't. Let him make it for himself.

DC.. I think you have hit on the answer. To allow people to know what it was/is to have foreskin or not should be their choice. It shouldn't be made by someone other than who's foreskin is in question. It should never be an arbitrary decision as mine was. My 6 older brothers are all uncut and there were no questions asked when it came time do cut me.

 

[cocktailweenie]

Every second newborn boy should be cut. Then, later in life when teams are selected for pick-up games the sides could automatically be selected as cut vs. uncut (or "scars" vs. "skinheads", etc.).

 

[simcha]

Ironic indeed. He'll use a porn-title search to convince himself of a "gay fetish" but then will reject the Sorrells et al study even though it's original research and was published in a peer-reviewed professional medical journal.

Wow, it was published in a medical journal and all.

Look at the parent site that spawned it:
Circumcision Information and Resource Pages

It's yet another anti circ propaganda site. Unbiased? Not!

Take a look at the bottom of the page.

"The Circumcision Information and Resource Pages are a not-for-profit educational resource and library. Tilted Media Group, Inc. is not responsible for the content of this site. CIRP makes documents available without charge, for informational purposes only. The contents of this site are not intended to replace the professional medical or legal advice of a licensed practitioner."

Therefore they acknowledge that they do not have any authoritative voice when it comes to medical issues. It's nice to see that there's at least one fact listed on an anti circ website, too bad it's in small print all the way at the bottom...

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Don't presume to know that there were no lasting psychological effects from this....

Sim, you're a classic example of the lasting psychological effects of surgical truncation of the genitals.

Others note that you can show reason and use logic on any topic other than genital cutting. 'Nuff said.