Is Edward Snowden a Traitor or a Hero?

[rbkwp]

It comes one day after a US district judge ruled that the NSA's bulk collection of millions of Americans' telephone records likely violates the US Constitution's ban on unreasonable search. The case is likely to go to the Supreme Court for a final decision.


"Six months ago, I revealed that the NSA wanted to listen to the whole world," Snowden wrote. "Now, the whole world is listening back, and speaking out, too. ... The culture of indiscriminate worldwide surveillance, exposed to public debates and real investigations on every continent, is collapsing."



http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9528962/Edward-Snowden-NSAs-spying-collapsing?cid=edm:stuff:dailyheadlines

 

[MalakingTiti]

Snowden is definitely a traitor. No question about it.

 

[B_underguy1]

Snowden is definitely a traitor. No question about it.

A traitor to what.

 

[deleted15807]

A traitor to what.

I'm sure you can Google.

 

[dandelion]

He seems to have uncovered and made public a vast conspiracy to break the law in the US. So how does that make him a traitor?

 

[B_underguy1]

I'm sure you can Google.

I'm asking what you think he's a traitor to.

 

[B_underguy1]

A Victory for the Constitution

Judge Leon has published a persuasive 68 page legal opinion averaging more than one explanatory fine-print footnote per page in Klayman v. Obama (12/16/2013) holding that the dragnet data sweep by Obama’s NSA “almost certainly does violate a reasonable expectation of privacy” by the American people. This satisfies the definition for the kind of “search” that falls within the prohibition of the Fourth Amendment. Judge Leon answers the second question determining whether such a search could be justified under the Fourth Amendment “reasonable” exception, by finding the search “unreasonable” when compared to the embarrassing absence of evidence that these searches have played any significant role in serving its purported purpose of detecting terrorists.

 

[blazblue]

I'm asking what you think he's a traitor to.

LOL I like the irony here. Remember when we'd all ask you for your sources than you'd reply with "Just google it"?

 

[rbkwp]

it must have been a great day to be an American,*
when the Patriot Snowden decided to forgo his freedom,*
for the benefit of his fellow Countrymen and decided to make his first revelation ..

 

[B_underguy1]

LOL I like the irony here. Remember when we'd all ask you for your sources than you'd reply with "Just google it"?

You clearly don't understand the concept of irony.

Secondly, I can't google search HIS opinion. I'm genuinely curious as to his reasoning.

 

[blazblue]

You clearly don't understand the concept of irony.

Secondly, I can't google search HIS opinion. I'm genuinely curious as to his reasoning.

But you made us google search yours though when you didn't post your sources saying "You should find it yourself".

 

[Eric_8]

But you made us google search yours though when you didn't post your sources saying "You should find it yourself".

One's opinion is NOT the same as providing sources for one's facts, unless it's an editorial, in which case one shouldn't be arguing it as fact.

Gee willikers BB, screw your head on straight. We're not dealing in high level intellectual conversations here...you should be able to keep up.

 

[rbkwp]

Matt Dillon Matt Dillon Matt Dillon

 

[B_underguy1]

But you made us google search yours though when you didn't post your sources saying "You should find it yourself".

I think I see your problem. You get your opinions from other sources i.e. your authority figures.

Many of us don't.

 

[deleted15807]

I'm asking what you think he's a traitor to.

It was pretty clear in the link. Since he trusts Americans to do the right thing he can return and face a jury of his peers.

 

[B_underguy1]

It was pretty clear in the link. Since he trusts Americans to do the right thing he can return and face a jury of his peers.

I'm asking you what exactly you think he is a traitor to.

 

[hung15us]

After 60 plus years as an adult the amount of freedom the USA Government has taken from you all and some think Snowden is a traitor needs to read the Bill of Rights and the Contstituion. He is a patriot in all terms and its about time the Amercian people get rid of the government and put the people in that follow the Bill of rights. Snowden has done us all a great favor and we need to support him.

 

[deleted15807]

I'm asking you what exactly you think he is a traitor to.

I think the link I provided expresses my thoughts very clearly. If you are unwilling or unable to read it I can't help you.

After 60 plus years as an adult the amount of freedom the USA Government has taken from you all and some think Snowden is a traitor needs to read the Bill of Rights and the Contstituion. He is a patriot in all terms and its about time the Amercian people get rid of the government and put the people in that follow the Bill of rights. Snowden has done us all a great favor and we need to support him.

I'll support his trip back to justice. Snowden can come back and face his accuser and let the American people decide his guilt or innocence instead of shopping NSA property across the planet for the highest bidder. It just doesn't get much worse than him. 1.5 million documents downloaded for the world press. A real patriot. A patriot most countries could ill afford.

 

[B_underguy1]

I think the link I provided expresses my thoughts very clearly. If you are unwilling or unable to read it I can't help you.



I'll support his trip back to justice. Snowden can come back and face his accuser and let the American people decide his guilt or innocence instead of shopping NSA property across the planet for the highest bidder. It just doesn't get much worse than him. 1.5 million documents downloaded for the world press. A real patriot. A patriot most countries could ill afford.

The link provided a Wapo report of the charges that the state had laid. That in no way goes toward answering my question of you.

Or do you just believe the state automatically.

Let's try another as you won't answer my perfectly reasonable question.

Do you think that state officials should be allowed the break the law with impunity.

 

[deleted15807]

The link provided a Wapo report of the charges that the state had laid. That in no way goes toward answering my question of you.

Or do you just believe the state automatically.

Let's try another as you won't answer my perfectly reasonable question.

Do you think that state officials should be allowed the break the law with impunity.

Ohhh you're still believing Snowden's story he did this to alert Americans? He's gone so far beyond that now that storyline is laughable.

Do you believe individuals should have the right to dispense with oaths they took and then steal every document they can lay their hands on from their government and then flee to a host of other countries with those documents? And as an aside he cheated to get the job by stealing the test questions and answers.

“He should be prosecuted for treason. If convicted by a jury of his peers, he should be hanged by the neck until he is dead.”