Is Edward Snowden a Traitor or a Hero?

[rbkwp]

“No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another.”
~ Charles Dickens

 

[dandelion]

It was pretty clear in the link. Since he trusts Americans to do the right thing he can return and face a jury of his peers.

And will he be tried under rules made by those peers, or by 500 congressmen who connived in the illegal action in the first place? Does a jury have an option to say, yes he did what the law says is illegal, but the law is wrong?

Do you believe individuals should have the right to dispense with oaths they took

So you DO think that the US officials who engaged in illegal spying should be punished?

 

[B_underguy1]

Ohhh you're still believing Snowden's story he did this to alert Americans? He's gone so far beyond that now that storyline is laughable.

Do you believe individuals should have the right to dispense with oaths they took and then steal every document they can lay their hands on from their government and then flee to a host of other countries with those documents? And as an aside he cheated to get the job by stealing the test questions and answers.

“He should be prosecuted for treason. If convicted by a jury of his peers, he should be hanged by the neck until he is dead.”

So you won't answer a couple of simple questions.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't believe much, if any, of this story. I was trying to figure out your attitude toward whistleblowers and dissidents.

Snowden seems to be your current Emmanuel Goldstein.

 

[deleted15807]

And will he be tried under rules made by those peers, or by 500 congressmen who connived in the illegal action in the first place? Does a jury have an option to say, yes he did what the law says is illegal, but the law is wrong?

So you DO think that the US officials who engaged in illegal spying should be punished?

'Illegal spying' let the courts decide that's how it works. And no juries are not directed to rewrite laws to their suiting.

The same people enraged at government snooping will be asking the same people after the next terrorist attack WHY didn't they know as they did after the Boston Marathon bombing. Well you can't have it both ways.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't believe much, if any, of this story. I was trying to figure out your attitude toward whistleblowers and dissidents.

Kind words for a criminal and I'm sure that's on purpose. Snowden is no whistleblower or dissident. He's a high school dropout that slipped through the giant NSA security holes. Had he taken information on one or two programs he found an issue with he might be somewhat believable. However he grabbed all he could (1.5 million documents is the rumour) and now he's threatening to release more and more information on top secret programs at the NSA totally unrelated to his stated reasons to stop NSA snooping on Americans. US adversaries could not have asked for a better turncoat ehhh 'whistleblower' than Snowden.

So you won't answer a couple of simple questions.

The US government has made it pretty clear the crimes he is being charged with. I see no reason to go over them.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't believe much, if any, of this story.

That does not surprise me AT ALL. As I've noted in other threads all sources but your own are circumspect or corrupt.

 

[B_underguy1]

'Illegal spying' let the courts decide that's how it works. And no juries are not directed to rewrite laws to their suiting.

The same people enraged at government snooping will be asking the same people after the next terrorist attack WHY didn't they know as they did after the Boston Marathon bombing. Well you can't have it both ways.



Kind words for a criminal and I'm sure that's on purpose. Snowden is no whistleblower or dissident. He's a high school dropout that slipped through the giant NSA security holes. Had he taken information on one or two programs he found an issue with he might be somewhat believable. However he grabbed all he could (1.5 million documents is the rumour) and now he's threatening to release more and more information on top secret programs at the NSA totally unrelated to his stated reasons to stop NSA snooping on Americans. US adversaries could not have asked for a better turncoat ehhh 'whistleblower' than Snowden.



The US government has made it pretty clear the crimes he is being charged with. I see no reason to go over them.



That does not surprise me AT ALL. As I've noted in other threads all sources but your own are circumspect or corrupt.

Wow. You should turn off your television for a few months and have a good think. Read a few books. Have a good look at the world around you. Talk to people about things other than those on the idiot box.

You are seriously brainwashed.

 

[deleted15807]

Wow. You should turn off your television for a few months and have a good think. Read a few books. Have a good look at the world around you. Talk to people about things other than those on the idiot box.

You are seriously brainwashed.

Right should I tune in your sources that make Putin a hero?

 

[B_underguy1]

Right should I tune in your sources that make Putin a hero?

Seriously mate. Grow up.

 

[deleted15807]

Seriously mate. Grow up.

Is that your best shot?

 

[B_underguy1]

Is that your best shot?

I really don't understand why you would wish to play your game. It's pointless and asinine.

I was genuinely interested in trying to understand your reasoning but it appears you have none. You are just a sponge for and repeater of regime talking points.

 

[MrGoodDate]

He is a Hero. Thing of all the things this has revealed.
We used to condemn the Russians of spying.....

 

[rbkwp]

why people continually vilify Snowden, when all this information comes out daily, who are the outright traitors ...
Snowden should be thanked for beginning the process of exposing this
would some of you prefer not to know, what your Govts are getting up to,
and of course, not only the USA
it seems going by the article,below, Snowden played no direct part in that, so much for the stuff he nicked huh.. and are these other investigative persons being unpatriotic as well.. think of the Watergate journalists!

| BREAKING NEWS ALERT
NYTimes.com |
BREAKING NEWS Friday, December 20, 2013 10:02 AM EST

N.S.A. Dragnet Included Allies, Aid Groups and Business Elite
Secret documents reveal more than 1,000 targets of American and British surveillance in recent years, including the office of an Israeli prime minister, heads of international aid organizations, foreign energy companies and a European Union official involved in antitrust battles with American technology businesses.

While the names of some political and diplomatic leaders have previously emerged as targets, the newly disclosed intelligence documents provide a much fuller portrait of the spies’ sweeping interests in more than 60 countries.

Britain’s General Communications Headquarters, working closely with the National Security Agency, monitored the communications of senior European Union officials, foreign leaders including African heads of state and sometimes their family members, directors of United Nations and other relief programs, and officials overseeing oil and finance ministries, according to the documents. In addition to Israel, some targets involve close allies like France and Germany, where tensions have already erupted over recent revelations about spying by the N.S.A.

 

[vince]

why people continually vilify Snowden, when all this information comes out daily, who are the outright traitors ...
Snowden should be thanked for beginning the process of exposing this
would some of you prefer not to know, what your Govts are getting up to,
and of course, not only the USA
it seems going by the article,below, Snowden played no direct part in that, so much for the stuff he nicked huh.. and are these other investigative persons being unpatriotic as well.. think of the Watergate journalists!

I know. I can't help thinking that if Snowden had happened while the previous idiot was in the White House, many people calling him a traitor, would be arguing this from a different perspective. Same would apply to some who are happily watching a Democratic admin struggle with these revelations.

 

[ar49out]

The USA got caught, pity, as a western citixen the USA has values I subscribe to.
Every nation on earth is spying on every other nation.
China allegedly per newspaper reports has a secret high tech spy center that targets western blue chip / security establishments in every country of the world, They appear to have down loaded the USA top secret weapons technology blue prints, this is denied by them true / false?
Another Boston bomb fest, or Govt spying, I know where my money is.

 

[Eric_8]

I know. I can't help thinking that if Snowden had happened while the previous idiot was in the White House, many people calling him a traitor, would be arguing this from a different perspective. Same would apply to some who are happily watching a Democratic admin struggle with these revelations.

Do you seriously mean to argue that people change their stances on issues based on the ideological stances of the President????

Why, I NEVER!

 

[B_underguy1]

The USA got caught, pity, as a western citixen the USA has values I subscribe to.
Every nation on earth is spying on every other nation.
China allegedly per newspaper reports has a secret high tech spy center that targets western blue chip / security establishments in every country of the world, They appear to have down loaded the USA top secret weapons technology blue prints, this is denied by them true / false?
Another Boston bomb fest, or Govt spying, I know where my money is.

If you think they are spying on you to stop 'terrorism' then you really are asleep.

No other power has anything like the surveillance network of the 5 eyes and Israel.

 

[ar49out]

If with my mates I am not planning another Columbine or 9/11, I should not be worried. Have to be awake to post this.

 

[rbkwp]

yeah
you can get a variation thru your preferred news source, wont stop the placing of this one here, Snowden timeline and all of the events, still consider he betrayed your Country??


[SIZE=+1]Snowden says his mission's accomplished[/SIZE]

"For me, in terms of personal satisfaction, the mission's already accomplished," he said. "I already won. As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated. Because, remember, I didn't want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself."

"All I wanted was for the public to be able to have a say in how they are governed," he said. "That is a milestone we left a long time ago. Right now, all we are looking at are stretch goals."​

For months, Obama administration officials attacked Snowden's motives and said the work of the NSA was distorted by selective leaks and misinterpretations.

On December 16, in a lawsuit that could not have gone forward without the disclosures made possible by Snowden, US District Judge Richard J Leon described the NSA's capabilities as "almost Orwellian" and said its bulk collection of US domestic telephone records was probably unconstitutional.

The next day, in the Roosevelt Room, an unusual delegation of executives from old telephone companies and young Internet firms told President Obama that the NSA's intrusion into their networks was a threat to the US information economy. The following day, an advisory panel appointed by Obama recommended substantial new restrictions on the NSA, including an end to the domestic call-records program.

- Washington Post




http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9551687/Snowden-says-his-missions-accomplished?cid=edm:stuff:dailyheadlines

 

[B_underguy1]

yeah
you can get a variation thru your preferred news source, wont stop the placing of this one here, Snowden timeline and all of the events, still consider he betrayed your Country??


[SIZE=+1]Snowden says his mission's accomplished[/SIZE]

"For me, in terms of personal satisfaction, the mission's already accomplished," he said. "I already won. As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated. Because, remember, I didn't want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself."

"All I wanted was for the public to be able to have a say in how they are governed," he said. "That is a milestone we left a long time ago. Right now, all we are looking at are stretch goals."​

For months, Obama administration officials attacked Snowden's motives and said the work of the NSA was distorted by selective leaks and misinterpretations.

On December 16, in a lawsuit that could not have gone forward without the disclosures made possible by Snowden, US District Judge Richard J Leon described the NSA's capabilities as "almost Orwellian" and said its bulk collection of US domestic telephone records was probably unconstitutional.

The next day, in the Roosevelt Room, an unusual delegation of executives from old telephone companies and young Internet firms told President Obama that the NSA's intrusion into their networks was a threat to the US information economy. The following day, an advisory panel appointed by Obama recommended substantial new restrictions on the NSA, including an end to the domestic call-records program.

- Washington Post




http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9551687/Snowden-says-his-missions-accomplished?cid=edm:stuff:dailyheadlines

So now it will be those private corporations that will collect and store the data.

Classic bait and switch. Good one Edward Snowjob.

 

[rbkwp]

Good Xmas day gift to end on, gives LPSG Politicians a new topic to look Fwd to 2014 ??

 

[798686]

Ok, why did Snowden do the Alternative Xmas Message on Channel 4? Hasn't he caused enough trouble already?

Sharon Osbourne, yes - even Yassir bloody Arafat, were he alive. But Edward Snowden?!! No thx.