Is God against homosexuality?

[Bigballs60]

You may want to consider that god is a construct that societies developed in the absence of understanding their environment. It filled in the blanks, helping to bind the tribe and also control the tribe, so that orderly societies could exist.

There is nothing inherently wrong in our past generations doing this, it was just the evolution of them rising up through the ages. The problem begins when we try to apply ancient teachings to modern societies.
They will clash.

I don't identify with the gay life style, but everyone should be allowed to live in peace without judgement.

Read the "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt. He unpacks morality as it applies to our religious and political thinking. Brilliant book!

BTW I was brought up for decades in a very religious Baptist environment. It resulted in years spent wrestling with moral dilemma's. I now see myself as not an atheist, but rather a free thinker. A god may exist I just happen to need more empirical evidence.

 

[MisterB]

Worrying about whether God is against homosexuality is a waste of time given all the real-world humans and their efforts against homosexuality. For me, that's the issue. Not if some imaginary force/God is against me for being gay.

And then when I think that through a bit further, it really makes no sense if I'm to believe what we've all be indoctrinated with: That there is a God and he/she doesn't make mistakes.

So then if that's true, then how would God be against me or me being homosexual?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[heinz.friedrich]

I don't identify with the gay life style, but everyone should be allowed to live in peace without judgement.

do you think you can become gay or why it is a life style for you?

BTW I was brought up for decades in a very religious Baptist environment. It resulted in years spent wrestling with moral dilemma's. I now see myself as not an atheist, but rather a free thinker. A god may exist I just happen to need more empirical evidence.

You have empirical data that some people hear voices or see things. But these things are usually called hallucinations by the psychatrists.

I believe the same things happened to those people in those religious books. That said: I think you can either believe these voices are the voices of real beings and those prophets had a sixth sense or they are hallucinations and fabrications of their own mind. But the effect of hearing voices like it is described in the bible exist.

So then if that's true, then how would God be against me or me being homosexual?

right. Or the question why does God give flawed books to the world like the bible or the quran who has even more flaws than the bible. So either he did not write the bible or he does not understand logic. But if he does not understand logic, this God is not all-knowing and then is the question is he really God in this case?

 

[Bigballs60]

do you think you can become gay or why it is a life style for you?


You have empirical data that some people hear voices or see things. But these things are usually called hallucinations by the psychatrists.

I believe the same things happened to those people in those religious books. That said: I think you can either believe these voices are the voices of real beings and those prophets had a sixth sense or they are hallucinations and fabrications of their own mind. But the effect of hearing voices like it is described in the bible exist.




right. Or the question why does God give flawed books to the world like the bible or the quran who has even more flaws than the bible. So either he did not write the bible or he does not understand logic. But if he does not understand logic, this God is not all-knowing and then is the question is he really God in this case?

I believe people were people whether it was two or three thousand years ago or right today. We process information much the same. However the older generations had not compiled as much data/knowledge of their environment as we have. As a result they leapt to conclusions creating stories to fill in the unknown. Hence we have bibles, Roman/Greek mythology and etc. This helped to alleviate our ancestors from that, what the hell is going on here feeling, that they must have had. Can you imagine waking up on a planet like ours, without any instruction manual and just start living. It must have been a WTF moment when our ancestors got to that stage of their awareness.

A credit to our past human tribe is that they did understand how they operated. The bible and some other religious texts, beautifully illustrate our short comings and how we can correct those short comings to live in community successfully. Probably 60 to 70% of human relationship truths in the bible can still hold up today. However, when we look through the lens of modernity we see that our ancestor were woefully ignorant of their environment. They just didn't have all the data to make correct decisions or conclusions on some matters of the universe. Hence we have mystical ramblings about the nuts and bolts of the universe.

I am not so arrogant to think that because I live in the present that I (we) know it all. I am still mystified and in awe of the universe. I just feel that I have a more progressed view of my place in the universe, but still woefully incomplete.

Disclaimer: Of course this is all just my ramblings reflecting on my own personal journey of enlightenment. Food for thought!

And the answer to the question "is god against homosexuality". A resounding NO! The only thing against anything we do with our biology will be born out in the outcomes. If being gay is bad I would expect data to show the harmful effects. Negative biological outcomes such as reduced life expectancy, becoming overweight, mental illness would be indicators of a problem. I believe our biology will speak to us if we harm it. However, how it impacts us socially is another conversation.

 

[heinz.friedrich]

And the answer to the question "is god against homosexuality". A resounding NO! The only thing against anything we do with our biology will be born out in the outcomes. If being gay is bad I would expect data to show the harmful effects. Negative biological outcomes such as reduced life expectancy, becoming overweight, mental illness would be indicators of a problem. I believe our biology will speak to us if we harm it. However, how it impacts us socially is another conversation.

You are right. But that is not even my main problem I have. I think why did God create one person and doom them more than another person. Because the person that is not homosexual has it easier to fullfill the law. You should give everybody an equal opportunity.

That is not very loving in my opinion. But God is loving according to the texts. I have another believe anyway. But these questions appear when I read religious texts.

 

[Bigballs60]

You are right. But that is not even my main problem I have. I think why did God create one person and doom them more than another person. Because the person that is not homosexual has it easier to fullfill the law. You should give everybody an equal opportunity.

That is not very loving in my opinion. But God is loving according to the texts. I have another believe anyway. But these questions appear when I read religious texts.

When I see religious groups saying God is against homosexuality, I think those groups are composed of people that have distorted the teachings to support their own world views. I don't think it is clear homosexuality is wrong based on the teachings of the new testament. Look around and see the great number of different religious groups that are all claiming to be based on the bible. This to me is a clear indication that there are a lot of people reading the bible and coming to different conclusions. Those different conclusions are more than likely caused by their own confirmation bias or personal world views.
So go pick the christian religious group that doesn't discriminate or judge homosexuality and enjoy being a gay christian without guilt.

 

[heinz.friedrich]

When I see religious groups saying God is against homosexuality, I think those groups are composed of people that have distorted the teachings to support their own world views. I don't think it is clear homosexuality is wrong based on the teachings of the new testament.

Well, I dont believe that God stopped speaking to people. That is why I dont believe this anyway. I know people so called astral travelers that were on the heavenly realms and there were homosexual couples and God did not reject them. I am not a Christian although I believe in Jesus and I think his teachings were positive. I am an hermetic student an you have to programm your sexuality anyway if you want to evolve.

There are different energies that you can call male and female and you have to be able to polarize yourself male or female if need be. But you also have to learn about those energies. Otherwise you are stuck in your development.

Look around and see the great number of different religious groups that are all claiming to be based on the bible. This to me is a clear indication that there are a lot of people reading the bible and coming to different conclusions. Those different conclusions are more than likely caused by their own confirmation bias or personal world views.

True. They give the benefit of the doubt when it comes to religious texts, although the text is very clear. Some parts of the books are accepting and some parts are rejecting. The right conclusion would be to realize that there are flaws and contradictions in those books. Jesus was very accepting as far as I know.

So go pick the christian religious group that doesn't discriminate or judge homosexuality and enjoy being a gay christian without guilt.

I dont know. These religious organization are very greedy. We have an obligatory tithe in Christianity for the huge organization and we had a lot of atheists in East GErmany and the first thing what they did after reunification is to claim that now, we are all religious (or the most) in the East and you have to pay those taxes. So you had to resign from religion to avoid paying these taxes, although the most people were not religious anyway.

 

[Ahhh Ha]

In most of society nowadays, God is against Homosexuality but keep in mind, humans worshiped multiple Gods once...so ideologies would change based on their specific God requirements. The God most ppl recognize today is the God of Abraham.

This God wasn't always worshiped worldwide, so Homosexuality can be seen in ancient times until the God of Abraham became a global figure. According to the scripture, the God of Abraham is the most powerful God and he is behind all the alleged supernatural events recorded in the bible.

In some ancient Middle Eastern societies, God allegedly had a wife but she is omitted or downplayed throughout the bible for whatever reason. If true, then it's odd this information is left out especially if she was well known. Why wouldn't you want your wife or partner to be recognized for anything?

 

[Brodie888]

Religion is simply the upscaled version of Santa Claus.

Why is it that most people grow out of believing in Santa, yet they persist in their religious beliefs long after?

Is it simply because religion offers them a promise beyond death where the alternative is too devastating to accept?

 

[Ahhh Ha]

Religion is simply the upscaled version of Santa Claus.

Why is it that most people grow out of believing in Santa, yet they persist in their religious beliefs long after?

Is it simply because religion offers them a promise beyond death where the alternative is too devastating to accept?

I would argue Religion is a form of sorcery. Santa doesn't have that kinda power.

 

[Brodie888]

I would argue Religion is a form of sorcery. Santa doesn't have that kinda power.

Not sure about that. He seems to have more powers than Jesus anyway.

 

[danconnell000]

Religion is simply the upscaled version of Santa Claus.

Why is it that most people grow out of believing in Santa, yet they persist in their religious beliefs long after?

Is it simply because religion offers them a promise beyond death where the alternative is too devastating to accept?

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[heinz.friedrich]

Not sure about that. He seems to have more powers than Jesus anyway.

Jesus can make dead people alive in contrast to Santa and he can ascend to heaven. I doubt that Santa Claus can do this (his reindeers can fly but I think he cannot fly).

Some apocrypha also said that Jesus made doves of clay alive (that is also in the Quran) That means he is a Creator being (which is against the teachings of the Quran. So it contradict itself). Some apocrypha said he was a shapeshifter.

I quote:

Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him [Jesus], for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat colored, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man.

The Ancient Text That Describes Jesus as a Shapeshifter

In some ancient Middle Eastern societies, God allegedly had a wife but she is omitted or downplayed throughout the bible for whatever reason. If true, then it's odd this information is left out especially if she was well known. Why wouldn't you want your wife or partner to be recognized for anything?

Good point. There are a lot of different texts, that did not made it into the bible but they do not necessarily contradict the Gospels. In the Gospel of Mary, Mary was the most advanced disciple of Jesus. He also told her how to astral travel, if I remember correctly.

 

[6slaanesh9]

Abrahamic books/writings etc tend to contradict anyway.

 

[Ahhh Ha]

Jesus can make dead people alive in contrast to Santa and he can ascend to heaven. I doubt that Santa Claus can do this (his reindeers can fly but I think he cannot fly).

Some apocrypha also said that Jesus made doves of clay alive (that is also in the Quran) That means he is a Creator being (which is against the teachings of the Quran. So it contradict itself). Some apocrypha said he was a shapeshifter.

I quote:

The Ancient Text That Describes Jesus as a Shapeshifter



Good point. There are a lot of different texts, that did not made it into the bible but they do not necessarily contradict the Gospels. In the Gospel of Mary, Mary was the most advanced disciple of Jesus. He also told her how to astral travel, if I remember correctly.

Other women were actual Goddesses, which the Bible briefly acknowledges but forbid from worshiping because it doesn't fit the Monotheistic narrative.

Mary worship is acceptable by religious communities none the less.

This is contradiction.

 

[glennb]

I would say that the bible is fairly unambiguous in it's condemnation of homosexuality. It's also fairly unambiguous in giving tacit approval to slavery. The new testament is unambiguous in being against any and all materialism. If you can find a Christian who doesn't cherry pick through the bible and decide what they will and wont believe then you really HAVE discovered a miracle.

If Christians are cherry picking through the bible and decide to keep the part about hating gays, that's a choice, not an adherence to doctrine. It's not about hating gays because the bible says so. It's about using the bible to justify hatred.

My question has always been this. If homosexuality is a sin and gays are going to hell, why hassle them on Earth? Just let God take care of it and mind your own business.

 

[Brodie888]

Jesus can make dead people alive in contrast to Santa and he can ascend to heaven. I doubt that Santa Claus can do this (his reindeers can fly but I think he cannot fly).

Some apocrypha also said that Jesus made doves of clay alive (that is also in the Quran) That means he is a Creator being (which is against the teachings of the Quran. So it contradict itself). Some apocrypha said he was a shapeshifter.

I quote:

The Ancient Text That Describes Jesus as a Shapeshifter



Good point. There are a lot of different texts, that did not made it into the bible but they do not necessarily contradict the Gospels. In the Gospel of Mary, Mary was the most advanced disciple of Jesus. He also told her how to astral travel, if I remember correctly.

Santa has the power of immortality, so he has no need for heaven.

Santa can manipulate time so he can visit billions of people all in one night.

Santa can alter matter, including himself to fit down any chimney regardless of size.

Santa is immune to fire for obvious reasons.

Yes, Santa can fly. How else would he go back up chimneys?

Santa can eat more the cookies and milk than Jesus.

Santa can make himself and his reindeer invisible.

Santa can clone himself so he can be in every shopping mall around the globe.

Santa can alter his appearance depending on which country he is in.

Santa has telepathy to know what you want for Christmas, even if you don't write him a letter. Also helpful for knowing who is naughty or nice.

Don't get me wrong, Jesus is great at a party when you run out of food or wine. Walking on water isn't a bad trick either. But I still think Santa has him beat.

 

[Dougie and DebbieD]

Anyone heard from or seen Santa or God recently?
End of story, clear your mind and get on with reality and your life.

 

[hzs3fg]

Having been raised Roman Catholic (but no longer practicing), I would say that God is pretty much against anything that is even remotely fun.

Separately, I'm not so certain that the Bible ever clearly addresses homosexuality.

 

[Brodie888]

I have a problem with any religion that asks you to suspend critical thinking in favour of blind faith.