Is God against homosexuality?

[pronatalist]

Name them. And when you're done explain why they object to it. Yes this is a dare..a double dog dare. Cause i bet you can't. What about those bible quotes i gave you though. Just gonna ignore all that? Anyway, rights mean the right to choose what they do and how to do it. Apparently another word you don't know the meaning of.

And oh about dem there children that get so much love.

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15



He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it. -- Proverbs 30:17

The LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon.... And there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. -- Exodus 12:29-30 (God damn..you scary god.)

And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. -- 2 Kings 2:23-24 (Thats some serious discipline right there)

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. --Leviticus 26:29

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters. --Deuteronomy 28:53And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend. -- Jeremiah 19:9​

Should those who follow a wicked ruler, be considered innocent? Indeed, many Egyptians also left Egypt with the Hebrews. After such a display, I would want to live with the people who God apparently favors, or who are living more according to the ways of the true God, had I been one of those Egyptians, I would have also left in the Exodus. A preacher in his sermon, admiring the faith of Caleb, seemed to think that Caleb was actually an Egyptian and not a Hebrew.

Egypt lost their first-born? Well didn't their own Pharoah pronounce the sentence himself, which of course backfired? Did you forget that there were but only 8 survivors of the Great Flood? Maybe if God killed off more of the heathen, that would get the world's attention? Is that what you want here? I wish God would intervene in this world more. So many people are suffering, due to the rampant wickedness of the people, notably the corrupt politicians, which sad to say, are representative of the wickedness of the people. They say that countries get the governments that they deserve, and I fear that it is true.

I gave you the short list, of objections to birth control.

• Practical objections
• Philosophical objections
• Cultural objections
• Religious objections

I can not give you the long list right now, as I am getting tired. Maybe later.

• Birth control is awkward and unnatural.
• Birth control aims to prevent future people who would not want to have been prevented.
• Having large families has long been the cultural norm, and a common way among poor people to compare their wealth. Children also serve as farmhands and old age security.
• Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. Have a "quiverfull" of children. Genesis 1:28, 9:1, Psalm 127

 

[temptotalk]

Should those who follow a wicked ruler, be considered innocent? Indeed, many Egyptians also left Egypt with the Hebrews. After such a display, I would want to live with the people who God apparently favors, or who are living more according to the ways of the true God, had I been one of those Egyptians, I would have also left in the Exodus. A preacher in his sermon, admiring the faith of Caleb, seemed to think that Caleb was actually an Egyptian and not a Hebrew.

Egypt lost their first-born? Well didn't their own Pharoah pronounce the sentence himself, which of course backfired? Did you forget that there were but only 8 survivors of the Great Flood? Maybe if God killed off more of the heathen, that would get the world's attention? Is that what you want here? I wish God would intervene in this world more. So many people are suffering, due to the rampant wickedness of the people, notably the corrupt politicians, which sad to say, are representative of the wickedness of the people. They say that countries get the governments that they deserve, and I fear that it is true.

I gave you the short list, of objections to birth control.

• Practical objections
• Philosophical objections
• Cultural objections
• Religious objections

I can not give you the long list right now, as I am getting tired. Maybe later.

• Birth control is awkward and unnatural.
• Birth control aims to prevent future people who would not want to have been prevented.
• Having large families has long been the cultural norm, and a common way among poor people to compare their wealth. Children also serve as farmhands and old age security.
• Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. Have a "quiverfull" of children. Genesis 1:28, 9:1, Psalm 127

lol Yeah that's your list? One full of unproven opinions bordering on complete an utter nonsense with no medical data what so ever. Nice. And for an added bonus you just practical as if thats self explanatory. No genius, facts. Data. Real concrete reasons not just heresay, general opinions and what you were told by someone else.

Once again, which books and parts does it say homosexuality is a sin? And what is in those areas is also a sin? All you're doing right now is blathering on about wicked ruler this and religion told me that. Give me facts. Hard unmistakable facts and theres a chance i'll start to believe that the bible isn't just a collection of stories to scare the ever loving fuck out of people. Come on i'm a possible followers. Make me believe.

Show me with facts, figures and data why constraceptive is equivalent to frankenstien. Give me facts, figures and data on why homosexuality is wrong. If you were a scientist you could do so but what else do you have other than god said so? Cause i got what may be news for you. God said a lot of crazy shit. Whats the difference between that crazy shit and what you're saying now?

Also, am i wrong about the quotes i posted?

 

[pronatalist]

Actually ya know what? Yes. I would prefer for you to be a monk and not have anything to do with the rest of the world or it's politics. Also, don't breed either. It's amazing that you're implying now that maybe just maybe the bible isn't fully correct for the times we live in now. Just out of curiosity. Which verse exactly states what you follow about homosexuality?

No, that is not what I said. God changes not. However, people who accuse the Bible of being somehow wrong, need a higher moral standard by which to judge it by, which they can not produce anyhow. They make little effort to understand the context of what they read, reading isolated verses, making no effort to understand the Mosaic law nor the culture at the time.

Romans 1 clearly speaks against homosexuality, but check and see if it could also be speaking against the perversion of the "natural use" of the sexual function of the human body, of birth control, as that also seems to fit. In Leviticus, it says that man should not lie with man as with woman, and the context is forbidding the sexual perversions of the heathen.

I also have a lot of objections to the NWO Nazi-eugenics and racism-based concept of population "stabilization" (boring stagnation). As a pro-lifer, I simply can not agree with the trendy mad-scientist notion that human populations should not grow. You hear all sorts of religious people objecting to the perversion of sex of being anything other than penis-in-vagina opposite-sexes coitus. They say that it doesn't produce babies. Does anybody listen to what they are saying? That is also an objection that I have. In order for sex to not be profaned into a selfish and carnal act, I also believe that sex should be open to the very real prospect of pregnancy and that birth control should not be used.

 

[temptotalk]

No, that is not what I said. God changes not. However, people who accuse the Bible of being somehow wrong, need a higher moral standard by which to judge it by, which they can not produce anyhow. They make little effort to understand the context of what they read, reading isolated verses, making no effort to understand the Mosaic law nor the culture at the time.

Romans 1 clearly speaks against homosexuality, but check and see if it could also be speaking against the perversion of the "natural use" of the sexual function of the human body, of birth control, as that also seems to fit. In Leviticus, it says that man should not lie with man as with woman, and the context is forbidding the sexual perversions of the heathen.

I also have a lot of objections to the NWO Nazi-eugenics and racism-based concept of population "stabilization" (boring stagnation). As a pro-lifer, I simply can not agree with the trendy mad-scientist notion that human populations should not grow. You hear all sorts of religious people objecting to the perversion of sex of being anything other than penis-in-vagina opposite-sexes coitus. They say that it doesn't produce babies. Does anybody listen to what they are saying? That is also an objection that I have. In order for sex to not be profaned into a selfish and carnal act, I also believe that sex should be open to the very real prospect of pregnancy and that birth control should not be used.

So far you've only answer one of my many questions. And you did so in a halfassed way. I want to know which books, which specific parts it says homosexuality is a sin. And then i asked what else is a sin or what else is the bible against. And i also asked if the bible quotes i presented earlier were true or not. You read it right. Is what i posted true on it's face? Or did i get the words wrong? The slaves part....the punishment of children part. Help me out here.

 

[pronatalist]

lol Yeah that's your list? One full of unproven opinions bordering on complete an utter nonsense with no medical data what so ever. Nice. And for an added bonus you just practical as if thats self explanatory. No genius, facts. Data. Real concrete reasons not just heresay, general opinions and what you were told by someone else.

Once again, which books and parts does it say homosexuality is a sin? And what is in those areas is also a sin? All you're doing right now is blathering on about wicked ruler this and religion told me that. Give me facts. Hard unmistakable facts and theres a chance i'll start to believe that the bible isn't just a collection of stories to scare the ever loving fuck out of people. Come on i'm a possible followers. Make me believe.

Show me with facts, figures and data why constraceptive is equivalent to frankenstien. Give me facts, figures and data on why homosexuality is wrong. If you were a scientist you could do so but what else do you have other than god said so? Cause i got what may be news for you. God said a lot of crazy shit. Whats the difference between that crazy shit and what you're saying now?

Also, am i wrong about the quotes i posted?

Am I your father? Am I your teacher? Is your arm short, that you can not read the Bible for yourself? You want me to do all your homework for you? I am getting tired, I need to sleep. Maybe next year, next week, later, I will have more time to go into more detail. Right now, you just appear like you are trying to bait me into some argument?

If you had some personal conviction against contraception, or really wanted to know, I am sure you can find stuff on the internet against birth control. I have. But if you really wanted to know, you would make more effort to look yourself, and not expect me to prove everything for you, as if you have no duty to do your own homework.

 

[green26]

God created man, he is perfect, so he would not be against anything that he created

 

[temptotalk]

Am I your father? Am I your teacher? Is your arm short, that you can not read the Bible for yourself? You want me to do all your homework for you? I am getting tired, I need to sleep. Maybe next year, next week, later, I will have more time to go into more detail. Right now, you just appear like you are trying to bait me into some argument?

If you had some personal conviction against contraception, or really wanted to know, I am sure you can find stuff on the internet against birth control. I have. But if you really wanted to know, you would make more effort to look yourself, and not expect me to prove everything for you, as if you have no duty to do your own homework.

Oh no buddy. You don't get to sleep. Your doing god's work right now. And i'm a possible believer. Isn't it your duty to bring god to the unholy? No, you stay up and you teach because thats your job. I'm a sinner remember. I mean why else are you on a site about big floppy, veiny, juicy, sperm filled dicks if not to spread the word. I'm not trying to bait you or anything....ok thats a lie...i'm trying to bait you into giving me a ticket into heaven. Cause i hear hell sucks.

Oh i'm sorry. I thought you were fighting the good fight here. Thought this meant everything to you. That you would do whatever you could to save the lives of all gods people. By way of commenting on a site with more dicks than the phone book. Maybe i should just wait until the next time you come back? An ask you the very same questions over and over and over and over and over again until i can buy a ticket into heaven? You know what i'll do that. You get some sleep and i'll just be waiting. With the same questions.

 

[temptotalk]

Hey guys! Look what i found about the bible!

19 Things The Bible Forbids Other Than Homosexuality

I haven't read through it yet but i'm totes sure it'll help me get into heaven you guys!!

 

[Oxnard]

Isn't it obvious? Most people can't afford to have baby after baby after baby.

So to put a blanket rule that everyone should breed without control as you seem to believe from the Bible is ludicrous.

If you had children, we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's all rather obvious.

He could have children and still believe this. As I mentioned before, the Saudis once enjoyed one of the highest standards of living, then gleefully fucked themselves into much lower standard of living due to the same religious concerns.

Religious leaders don't care how much human suffering they cause as long as their political influence is expanded by having more followers, and there are far too many followers willing to believe what they say.

 

[pronatalist]

He could have children and still believe this. As I mentioned before, the Saudis once enjoyed one of the highest standards of living, then gleefully fucked themselves into much lower standard of living due to the same religious concerns.

Religious leaders don't care how much human suffering they cause as long as their political influence is expanded by having more followers, and there are far too many followers willing to believe what they say.

Having many children does not cause poverty. Corrupt governments spread poverty and destroys the economy and destroys people's jobs.

 

[temptotalk]

Having many children does not cause poverty. Corrupt governments spread poverty and destroys the economy and destroys people's jobs.

And let me guess. Religion had nothing to do with poverty. No way no how. Not in all the histories of mankind.

 

[Oxnard]

Having many children does not cause poverty. Corrupt governments spread poverty and destroys the economy and destroys people's jobs.

You're more delusional than I thought.

If an economy has a given amount of wealth in it, and the population increases, what happens to the per-capita standard of living?

Of course, increased poverty is an advantage for Christians and Muslims. When people are truly desperate, they are more willing to accept bad arguments from missionaries and proselytizers.

 

[622675]

Having many children does not cause poverty. Corrupt governments spread poverty and destroys the economy and destroys people's jobs.

You seem to have devoted much of your energy and time to the ethics of human reproduction. How would you explain this focus? What might have set you interest in motion?

-Do you support the idea that marriage is an arrangement between one man and one woman?

-If so, what do you think would be a reasonable number of children for a man and wife to produce? Please give a number.

-What is your position on adoption and artificial insemination? Should these processes only be used by individuals in traditional marriage?

 

[10silverdollars]

Enough already. Pronumbnuts is a prisoner of religion and his own opinions. None of you (us?) can change that. So starve him by lack of attention.
I really think his opinions are like the Yale boys writing specious letters to Ann Landers and Dear Abby--it's all a joke.

Even the original question at head of thread is an absurdity and should be allowed to wither and die.

 

[Oxnard]

You seem to have devoted much of your energy and time to the ethics of human reproduction. How would you explain this focus? What might have set you interest in motion?

-Do you support the idea that marriage is an arrangement between one man and one woman?

-If so, what do you think would be a reasonable number of children for a man and wife to produce? Please give a number.

-What is your position on adoption and artificial insemination? Should these processes only be used by individuals in traditional marriage?

The focus is not very hard to explain at all.

The religious leaders he follows want more money and more political influence, so they emotionally manipulated him into believing that having as many babies as possible is a good thing. Catholics and Muslims do the same thing for the same reasons, and the result is the same in many parts of the world, sadly.

Catholics and Muslims are in general much more pronatalist than Protestants, and it's no coincidence that Catholic and Muslim parts of the world tend to have a lower standard of living and more poverty.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

-If so, what do you think would be a reasonable number of children for a man and wife to produce? Please give a number.

Oh, levi, levi, levi ... it's all very elementary, don't you see?
Men are supposed to keep wetting their wicks in the Pauline-approved way, and the number of bambinos that pop out is up to Zeus.
There can never be too many or too few, coz Zeus is infallible.

 

[pronatalist]

And let me guess. Religion had nothing to do with poverty. No way no how. Not in all the histories of mankind.

Of course religion can have something to do with it, but in this case, we are talking of false religions, that do not promote freedom, that do not promote truth, and that hinder rather than encourage proper adaptations to to the growing population size.

And of course, corrupt government is generally based upon false religion, such as atheism which hinders a proper understanding of morality and how we ought to treat "the little people beneath our elitists' feet."

 

[temptotalk]

Of course religion can have something to do with it, but in this case, we are talking of false religions, that do not promote freedom, that do not promote truth, and that hinder rather than encourage proper adaptations to to the growing population size.

And of course, corrupt government is generally based upon false religion, such as atheism which hinders a proper understanding of morality and how we ought to treat "the little people beneath our elitists' feet."

Yeah don't go equating me with the likes of richard dawkins cause thats officially an insult to me. With that said. How bout dem questions i asked you? Ever get around to answering them?

 

[pronatalist]

You're more delusional than I thought.

If an economy has a given amount of wealth in it, and the population increases, what happens to the per-capita standard of living?

Of course, increased poverty is an advantage for Christians and Muslims. When people are truly desperate, they are more willing to accept bad arguments from missionaries and proselytizers.

The fixed amount of wealth fallacy. Wealth is largely a product of human labor. More people, more labor, more ideas. But it isn't merely "many hands make light work," but that people can build and invent tools which can greatly multiply the force of their labor.

We can see already from history, as human populations increase, so also increases wealth. However, that is highly dependent upon what kind of government, how religiously moral the people are, proper organization and education, and other factors.

 

[933295]

The real question is "Is homosexuality against god?" I certainly hope so.